Lake Superior is apparently not water
They should not have used the term “water access” when they meant “ocean access.”
Ocean ships sail to Duluth MN all the time so any state with shoreline on the great lakes has a direct route to the ocean.
It feels wrong, but landlocked typically refers to coastline on the ocean.
If you use navigability to the ocean, then the states on the Mississippi River also aren’t landlocked.
There isn’t a word for “c’mon, the great lakes have proper freighters and a coast guard presence. Michigan is obviously not landlocked”.
Not just the Mississippi. The US happens to have the most miles of navigable rivers and coastlines, as well as the most natural deep bays, of any country in the world.
If any water counts, then almost everywhere that people live at all has “water access”. Lakes, however big, aren’t the ocean.
Landlocked usually refers to navigation not access to water. For that purpose the Great Lakes count.
You can take a boat from Nebraska to the ocean via river so it’s not land locked either.
Then so do the North Saskatchewan, South Saskatchewan, and Saskatchewan rivers. There’s cities on those rivers today because back in the day it was easy access between them.
You’ll find no argument from me. If you can get from there to the ocean with a sufficiently large vessel, I’d say it’s not landlocked.
The state/province borders are pretty arbitrary themselves, there’s a lot of nuance lost in this simplified infographic.
Going by that then the states on the great lakes aren’t landlocked either since you can get to the ocean from them
Yeah, a good deal of early US/Canadian history revolved around who had access to which waterways that could get to the ocean, who built canals from where to where, etc.
Like, lakes and rivers are still generally fresh water, not salt water… but they have always been used as basically logistics highways, by basically all peoples, everywhere, forever, before the advent of planes trains and automobiles… and a pretty huge amount of freight still does get moved around on thr Great Lakes… though of course recent tariffs are probably greatly complicating and lessening that.
https://greatlakes-seaway.com/en/navigating-the-seaway/seaway-map/
This a cool pic of the profile of the Great Lakes System of locks and the elevation changes. It’s an amazing set of engineering over the last couple hundred years that’s still being upgraded and expanded.
And so does Pennsylvania.
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It’s crazy how much money we spend on zero-point energy generation just to teleport container ships from the Great Lakes to the Atlantic.
Oh so you’d prefer we just send the ships over Niagara Falls instead? Silly NZPTIMBY folks (No Zero-Point Teleportation In My Back Yard) 😛
What if I add a pinch of salt to the great lakes?
Don’t you dare, that’s like terrorism or something
Imma turn the Great Lakes into some regular-ass seas.
Anybody got a bat-signal handy? There’s some real comic book villainy going on here.
Seriously, fucking gigantic joke calling michigan land locked!
I live in northern Ohio and I don’t feel very landlocked when I look out at Lake Erie haha. I imagine Michiganders feel that but I’m three sides of the state
Uh-huh. I see you over there posting from a lemmy.ca account on the north shore, Canadian.
Ok well actually I don’t, the lake is too big and extends to the horizon…
Haha, I’m close enough, but not quite a Canadian. This is a good instance, they aren’t going anywhere like those .ml people
Lake Superior…get over yourself.
Lake Mead is sadly now Lake Inferior.
south of most of the great lakes doesn’t seem to count… oh I see now. The great beaches of Hudson Bay count as ocean access, no matter how little ships or beachgoers there are.
ITT: A bunch of people who have no idea what landlocked means.
Yes. Also folks who have never seen a container ship the size of a hotel pull up to the shipping pier in one of these “landlocked” states.
The quaint little hotels are another great reason to visit the landlocked states!
“What about the pond in my backyard? cHeCKmAtE”
Ah, Chicago, famously landlocked. I guess it’s not the ocean. But you can get there from the lakes.
Well that’s true of nearly anywhere next to a lake or river, right? I think we’d count Manaus in Brazil
or Kazan in Russiaas being landlocked despite being next to large navigable rivers that go to the oceanDifferent definitions of the word “landlocked” have different meanings. There’s one sense that’s more relating to logistics, where a country/state/whatever is landlocked if it doesn’t have something that functions like a port, not just a dock, or could if desired.
In that sense, Chicago is not landlocked because they have a port that can receive freight. Other places on the great lakes could although they might not due to whatever reason.The other definition has more to do with controlling access to oceanic waters. Chicagos access to the ocean is at the mercy of Canada and all the states that control the st Lawrence seaway.
So if you’re discussing economics you care that Bolivia can get freight shipping. If you’re discussing geopolitics you care that Bolivia needs to form agreements with other countries to ensure that access remains uninterrupted.
Kazan is next to a large navigable river that doesn’t go to ocean :p
I remembered my geography wrong
It does go to the Black Sea, which then goes on to the Turkish Straits, the Mediterranean, the Strait of Gibraltar, and then the ocean though. I think if Chicago counts then Kazan has toVolga goes to the Caspian sea, not the Sea of Azov(That would be Don).
Oh shit, you’re right! Misremembering on my part, thanks for the correction
Michigan, surrounded by water on 3 sides gets landlocked status. Salty ocean must be the signifier
I guess, but the great lakes are connected to the ocean via the st Lawrence seaway
They are connected via a seaway that is controlled by other political entities.
Holy fuck this is the dumbest comment section in the history of Lemmy. “Nebraska isn’t landlocked because it has a river.”
They are connected via a seaway that is controlled by other political entities.
By that definition, Gaza is landlocked
It effectively is, yes. It shouldn’t be, but in practice it does not control its access to the open sea. Its sea “access” is basically limited to near-shore fishing.
Mississippi river: am I a joke to you?
Same with the Great Lakes States. You can reach Minnesota through the St. Lawrence seaway.
This isn’t taking altitude into account at all. When the ocean starts coming to you, you don’t want to be in Nebraska.
The mean elevation of the state is 2600 feet above sea level. The point of lowest elevation in the state is still 840 feet above sea level. According to National Geographic and the USGS, if all of the ice in the world melted, the rise in sea level would be approximately 215-230 feet. While, obviously, the second and third order effects are a different kettle of fish, from a submergence standpoint, Nebraska will be just fine.
Everybody talks about ice melting. Nobody talks about the water in the ocean expanding from heating up. Prepare for water world, pal.
This map is the entire burden of proof I need to declare we should kick Pennsylvania out of the east coast and relegate it to a flyover
Carveout for SEPA, pretty please
denied, fuck the eagles too.
I mean, I’m originally from NJ so yeah, fuck the Eagles, but still:
I will not accept this geography slander
Idaho has a seaport!
I used to go hang out at the docks at the Port of Lewiston and listen to the longshorepersons tell tales of maritime sodomy. Then I would eat a large potato.
What about if you don’t want to live in North America?
Interesting idea, but the map clearly ends at the N. American borders. I’m not sure there’s anything else out there.
IIRC from a Stand-Up Maths video from a while back, there are no countries that are triple-land-locked. Which is why he looked at US states.
Other countries have states too.
I think he gave a reason for only taking the time to look at US states (may have just been time) Matt Parker of Stand-Up Maths is from the UK, and I’m sure he’s aware that other countries have states.
You know what state used to be the bottom of the ocean? Nebraska. I think the state hates the ocean too xD
Nebraska: Thlassaphobia capital of the world!
Wisconsin is definitely not double landlocked, direct access to the oceans via the Mississippi River and through the Great Lakes.
Yeah but then Nebraska has access to the ocean via river too
How’s about we just take it as “ocean coastline” and leave it at that
Can confirm: From South Dakota, have thalassophobia
So uh… don’t eat lobster in Nebraska?
Any kind of seafood.
“Surfin’ in Nebraska” is apparently a euphemism for cluelessness.
They got dunes to surf in Nebraska.
babe i WISH. best we get is redneck ski-slopes when it snows on terraces.
It was just a joke about the Sand Hills.
shit man i’ve never been far out into central NE, i had no idea we have honest to god dunes! i’ve got some travel plans to make.
