“How can I return him to the United States? I smuggle him into the United States? Of course I’m not going to do it. The question is preposterous,” Bukele said. “I don’t have the power to return him to the United States. We’re not very fond of releasing terrorists into our country.”

"To liberate 350 million people, you have to imprison some. That’s the way it works,” Bukele told Trump. Abrego Garcia has not been charged with terrorism.

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    Man, its getting really hard to keep going to work. Its feeling like its time to just go ape shit on government properties.

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      I see you have commented about those intentions a few times. I don’t know how serious you are about opsec, but in these times I would refrain from publicizing any violent intentions without at least being in a secure account I have only ever accessed via Tor, and I wouldn’t post personal stuff like cat pictures or mentions of any siblings in that account. Please, be safe

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    Trump then turned to Bukele and said of the assembled reporters: “They’d love to have a criminal released into our country. These are sick people.”

    Garcia has never been convicted of criminal charges in the US or El Salvador. It’s hard to overstate what a big fucking problem this is. Due process is dead, you’re a criminal because we say so.

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      Did any of the “reporters” there challenge them on this essential point?

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        Not that I know of, likely because they don’t want to be kicked out. The white house kicked out the AP a while back for asking a question about climate change or some shit. This would get them removed and sued, no doubt, and our news organizations are either complicit or don’t have the balls/finances to push back.

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      Garcia isn’t a green card holder, but he does have legal status. He’s under “withholding removal”, which is kind of asylum lite. He can live and work here, and he made regular checkins to prove he was behaving, but the government is allowed to deport him to anywhere except El Salvador, although until this they hadn’t tried.

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      EDIT: sorry, not citizen, but nonetheless a legal green card holder who’s been determined to be here legally.


      Garcia has never been convicted of criminal charges in the US or El Salvador

      Also, you can’t, you know, legally deport a US citizen to an El Salvadorian gulag even if they had committed a crime. Trump here is trying to shift the Overton window from a discussion of if they’re a US citizen to if they’ve committed a crime (they haven’t, of course), and it’s fucking disgusting.

      At this point, the only criminal I think who deserves to be sent to a deep, dark hole never to return is Mr. 34 Felonies himself.


      EDIT: sorry, not citizen, but nonetheless a legal green card holder who’s been determined to be here legally.

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        I don’t think Garcia was a citizen, he was a green card holder, but Trump is openly discussing sending citizens to El Salvador anyway. Nobody’s going to stop him anyway, so why the fuck not?

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          Also, in 2019 ICE sought to have him removed but lost their motion argument and ended up with a court order forbidding them from doing so, which ICE never did anything to get lifted. That’s why the Trump administration has had to say they deported Kilmar by mistake, if it was anything other than a mistake (which we all know it was but don’t have smoking gun proof for) that’s intentional violation of a court order, aka the Constitutional crisis all the official people have been trying to pretend isn’t happening.

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    Well, well…

    What’re the chances Mafia Don Mangolini “enticed” Bukele to say exactly this…

    🙄 🤡 🖕 🖕

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      It’s public record that the US government is paying him to incarcerate these people, I’m certain this exact scenario that’s playing out right now was an unwritten part of that deal

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        It’s the same reason weed is still illegal…

        If for profit prisons use prisoners as slave labor, they don’t just want violent criminals, violent criminals are hard to manage.

        They want innocent nonviolent people.

        Like, if they get $X for each prisoner, this guy is way easier to handle then someone who actually is a violent gang member. There’s no way they’d want to send him back. They want him as long as possible

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    WHY ISN’T THAT MOTHERFUCKER WEARING A SUIT IN THE OVAL OFFICE!? How DARE he disgrace that office!?

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    So… is Supreme Court just going to roll over after making an order?

    I mean I assume yes but I would hope literally anyone in the government whose job it is to do something about this would…

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      Yes, they’ve been going out of their way to thread the needle of not declaring the constitution dead while simultaneously allowing Donald to be king. I’ve heard that they’re trying to avoid triggering a constitutional crisis because they’re afraid they’ll lose, but to roll over and not enforce the constitution provides functionally no difference than if they had lost a constitutional crisis.

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        but to roll over and not enforce the constitution provides functionally no difference than if they had lost a constitutional crisis.

        Oh, it makes a very big difference… to them. If they pick a fight with Trump and lose, they go to the gulag. If they appease him, they might not go to the gulag.

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      How are they to enforce it?

      Same question goes to international courts frequently. Can rule all you like, it’s all meaningless if you can’t enforce it and those subject to your rulings don’t care enough to listen.

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    To liberate 350 million people, you have to imprison some. That’s the way it works

    If we can first deal with this shit right now in the US with Trump, Bukele is next.

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    “Oopsie… Too late,” Bukele wrote with a crying laughing emoji on X the next day alongside a screenshot of a news report on the judge’s decision."

    The innocent is very well dead and I’m confident the reason why El Salvador’s president says, “he can’t send him back” is because he’s getting money for the prisoners to be there from the Trump administration. Facts and evidence is out the window, it’s their way or El Salvador.

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    This destroys their earlier argument that they don’t have jurisdiction and interpret the ruling to only require them to remove US barriers to his return, not actually make it happen. Here’s the guy they claim has jurisdiction saying the only reason he won’t send him home is because he can’t make the US accept him.

    The court needs to make a concrete order immediately that they shall accept him back, pay for any travel expenses, and cease payment for his incarceration. And until they demonstrate that they have a method to fix mistakes, bar any further transfers.

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      Here’s the guy they claim has jurisdiction saying the only reason he won’t send him home is because he can’t make the US accept him.

      I can promise you this quote is going to be in Abrego Garcia’s next court filing.

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          Update: I was expecting the plaintiff to use this Bukele quote, because it’s pretty good for him.

          But instead it’s the Government that filed it!

          At this point I utterly fail to understand their litigation strategy.

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    Lemme guess tho! The same americans who talk shit about people who live in dictatorships and cheered their bombings of nations like Iraq/Afghanistan etc…. they will sit at home on their iphones and on the couch, while a tv show streams on the tv on the wall in front of them… and they’ll post so many comments and stuff.

    Lol but no chance in hell Americans tomorrow actually stand up and kick out this guy. Literally nothing will change at all. Other than the position of the sun in the sky.