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the US-Canadian border has been one of, if not the, most peaceful borders in the entire world.
the most peaceful and mutually beneficial border on Earth.
Tell me your views are extremely America-centric without telling me.
The only way you can have those views is if you know nothing about the EU at all.
The US and Canada haven’t fought since 1812. Which European border of a major super power has a longer history of being close allies?
The UK and Scotland shouldn’t count because Scotland isn’t a sovereign country, they are a state of the UK that has lied about retaining their sovereignty for 500 years (which is why they have to beg England for permission to even hold an independece referendum)
Spain and France shouldn’t count because Spain worked with the Nazis in ww2 and wouldn’t help France.
Switzerland? Apart from a bit of aerial bombing during WWII it’s been a pretty peaceful border since that time Napoleon invaded.
The US and Canada haven’t fought since 1812. Which European border of a major super power has a longer history of being close allies?
What’s the definition of “being a close ally”? You’re using the date of Canada and USA last conflict, but for Spain and France you’re using political alignment.
I think Portugal and Spain also make a good candidate if we’re looking back only until the early 1800’s. The border itself had a few changes but they were peaceful IIRC, the last conflict was 1801?
On a separate note, the quote says has been the most peaceful and beneficial, so it’s not so much as a matter of peaceful for the longest time. Even if EU borders weren’t peaceful way back, quite a few of them are so peaceful nowadays that they barely register as existing. In terms of most beneficial, I’m not sure how to analyze that.
Quite a surprising one here: I think the Norwegian/russian border can actually match that. I believe Norway is the only country neighbouring russia that has never been invaded by them (sans WWII, where they invaded Nazi-occupied Norway and willingly left after the Axis was defeated).
I also think the Norwegian/Danish border has been conflict-free for some hundred years (to be fair, we were in a union for ≈450 years ending in 1814). We’ve had some skirmishes with the Swedes throughout the years, but I believe the last one was in 1814.
Norway and Denmark don’t have a land border. Thus including alliances in general the Anglo-Portuguese one dates back to 1373, with only 60 years interruption when Portugal was in dynastic union with Spain which in modern terms could be called an occupation.
…and this isn’t just a technicality with both nations being big on seafaring you can consider the water between them a highway, French cannons nonwithstanding.
I’m not quite sure if you’re disregarding the fact that Norway and Denmark haven’t had a war for hundreds of years because they don’t share a land border? In any case i can point out that there were plenty of Norwegian-Danish hostilities before the union time. With both Norway and Denmark being big on seafaring, the waters between Norway and Denmark have historically been seen much more as a highway (as you say about the Anglo-Portuguese waters) than anything else.
The distance is shorter though, so I would rather compare the Norwegian-Danish border to the Anglo-French border, and the lack of a land border there hasn’t really prevented any wars.
Norway occupied parts of Greenland for a while, 1931-1933, I’d call that an act of aggression against Denmark and thus a war even if it was ultimately resolved peacefully and the claim didn’t concern the Danish mainlands.
“In the last 100 years”… European borders were not peaceful for that long
To be fair, historically speaking, Europe’s borders have been all but peaceful.
Fair, but on March 26 the initial Schengen-Borders will have been basically nonexistent for 30 years.
Canada and the US have been close allies for 200 years. The last time they fought was 1812
Not 200 years. The last major conflict was the War of 1812 but relations weren’t rosy until the Great Rapprochement starting around 1895. The period inbetween saw the Fenian Raids, Patriots’ War, Britain’s tacit support of the Confederacy and the Trent Affair, and disputes around the Oregon Country and Alaska border. Hell, Confederation happened mostly because of fears of the US’s growing power after its civil war.
You’re goddamn right I’m furious.
And no less furious at the weak-kneed Democrats who do nothing as their own country is ripped from them by a clown. “Oh sorry; we’ll try again in 4 years” they say. Fuck your thoughts and prayers, how about do something. You won’t get a free election in 4 years, dummies.
Oh yeah, I realize you’re super busy and with your sportsball games and your reality TV marathons. Your inaction today will haunt your future.
And no this isn’t a call to action or a cry for help. We’re going to be just fine. You’re the ones who have to live there, and live with yourselves knowing you did nothing.
Bernie Sanders and Alexandria Ocasio Cortez are heading out to states to lead town halls after this most recent budget passing.
This is what Democrats should be doing: preparing for 2028 by reaching out to people now, or at the very least educating them on what’s happening and what might happen in the other 46 months (or more…) of Trump’s second presidency.
I expect the authoritarian posturing and nationalism will be successful inside America as the world unites against them. And that any further hopes they have of opposition will be strangled by increasing anti-democratic measures as time goes on. That’s the playbook that has been successful elsewhere and I see no basis for believing in American exceptionalism here.
Will be extremely happy to be wrong on this, but I can’t see a world where waiting until 2028 works out for Democrats.
The Democrats have no power in the US now. They still hold a few governorships, but the GOP has complete control of the US federal government and that’s all that matters on the international scene.
It’s a distinctly American thing to blame the Democrats for anything the government does even when they don’t control the government. Then they wonder why the Democrats struggle to win elections even against insane GOP candidates like Trump.
In what other country is the opposition party blamed for what the governing party is doing? Only in America.
Things are the way they are in the US because people voted for it. The Democrats aren’t doing anything because anything they do now would be purely performative and have no effect. They’re a political party, not a revolutionary movement. They aren’t doing anything until the next election (if there is one!) because that’s how it works with political parties in a democracy.
It would be the same in Canada. If Pollievre got a majority and brought in Elon Musk to kill the government there would be nothing the Liberals, NDP, or any other party could do. That’s why it’s important to vote and vote wisely.
What about the democrats that did something how should they feel?
Bluntly, what have you done for me lately?
What Democrats did is a meaningless platitude.
What are all of you doing right now?
What the fuck should we do with your “we did our part”?
Simply put, You the People cannot be trusted to keep fascism at bay.
If you are ever allowed to vote in a free election again, one third of you will vote for more of this bullshit, and one third of you will refuse to vote.
Collectively, you are untrustworthy.
You the People cannot be trusted to keep fascism at bay.
Of course they can’t. The founding mythology? The military fluffing? The pervasive propaganda over American exceptionalism?
It’s a fascist country. It just doesn’t always have a totalitarian government.
Frankly I think the only thing that’d give me faith in my countrymen would be learning there’s actually truth to Musk/the repubs at large rigging the election, and that’s a long shot.
If they took action and failed I don’t hold anything against them. It’s better to try and fail than not try at all.
Unfortunately the scale of what’s happening right now is existential, so they find themselves in the crossfire.
I have the utmost sympathy and care for democrats and independents who tried and failed. I can’t tell them how to feel, but I’d feel scared and helpless.
And no less furious at the weak-kneed Democrats who do nothing as their own country is ripped from them by a clown.
Republican voters enabled another trump dictatorship, not “democrats”.
Their vote made it so that “democrats” have no power in the house, the senate, the office of the presidency, the supreme court, or the dozens of federal agencies that are now being gutted.
Blame them. Blame only them for voting the way they did, because the outcome is exactly what they voted for.
No, fuck this. The best analogy I’ve seen is that the republicans are a school shooter, and the democrats are the uvalde police department. I’m not going to forgive a group thst somehow becomes utterly ineffectual any time they’re needed. This has been brewing for decades. If the democrats were just tooooooooo weak to do anything to prevent it in all that time, what fucking use are they?
That’s like blaming firefighters for not being able to put out fires as fast as arsonists can set them.
Voters are the only reason why Trump is still here. Sure, you can say that democratic representatives could/should be doing more, but aren’t we way past that point now? This is trump’s second term… voters want him in power. As fucking stupid as that is.
It’s more like blaming city council because they refuse to pass any regulations that might reduce the number of fires, because it would hurt their donors in the construction industry.
We are way past the point where democrats could have done anything, and we arrived here because all through my almost fifty year lifetime and before, people on the left have been warning them about the US’s decline towards fascism, the takeover of their media and the dominance of voter suppression, and they’ve chosen to never take any action to stop it. I fail to see why they should escape blame now, after making the bed they are lying in.
It was your fellow man that did this, you really have to face that fact. People will still chose to be dumb and ignorant, and Russia really played into that. Russia has had a singular leadership for the last 30 or so years. No flip-flopping no new fresh faces a singular purpose and that is the destruction of America
of course? All these people are my fellow man. I have no idea what your point is. I don’t think aliens did it.
Republican voters got them elected, Democrats are standing by doing nothing as their country is ruined.
There are no attempts to secede, there are no wide-scale protests or strikes. Their democracy falls while they sit back and fret, laughing along with Jon Stewart and smug in their knowledge they are better that Republicans. For all their much-touted “second amendment” they are idle as a tyrant solidifies power.
I do blame Republican for their actions. But I blame Democrats for their inaction. I’m furious because what I see in them I recognize in myself – it’s a challenge for me to not be complacent and fight for my own country. Because if we coast like they do, we will suffer the same fate.
But I blame Democrats for their inaction.
I don’t deny that much more could have been/could be done. But look at the optics on how this would make trump even stronger:
If you had a democratically elected president who’s being shut down by the minority party, which could be seen as “going against what the people voted for”, and once again trying to “steal the election”. It would justify a horrific ramping up of his rhetoric, and seeing how he released 1500 criminals who were on his side, there would be no stopping domestic (right-wing) terrorists from targeting “democrats”.
In fairness, this timeline is so FUBAR, especially when coming off such a strong economy, highly respected presidencies from Obama and Biden, and relative peace with nearly all allies. In just a few months, Trump and Musk have been undoing hundreds of years of progress, which is unprecedented so say the least.
The States, and the world, are in such uncharted territories right now.
You do realize what you’re saying, right?
You’re saying it would be a tragedy of optics to try to stop a dictator from seizing power. That if democrats do nothing they can avoid being targeted in the short term, while Trump chases after others.
Yes. This specific attitude is what I’m furious about. And I’m going to work my damnedest to stop it happening here in my country.
Their vote made it so that “democrats” have no power in the house, the senate, the office of the presidency, the supreme court, or the dozens of federal agencies that are now being gutted.
Actually, today Senate Republicans needed help from the Democrats to pass a bill to keep the government funded. And 10 Democrats helped them, including Minority Leader Chuck Schumer.
You may not be able to say that Trump’s actions towards Canada specifically could be predicted in any detail but there was an absurd amount of evidence that he would be erratic, self-serving, and antagonistic towards allies in general. We still elected him. There’s tons of reasons for that and many of us want to latch on to some of them in order to absolve ourselves of individual responsibility for this shitshow, but other countries don’t give a fuck about any of those reasons and we should not expect them to.
If you’re an American, you own this administration in the eyes of the world and that’s exactly how it should be. In fact, I would argue that changing course is not possible until the vast majority of us accept that fact and let it inform our actions going forward.
It doesn’t matter who’s to blame. The question is where is your nation going, and what are you going to do about it? Are you going to let all the terrible things happen because “it’s the other guys’ fault”?
What solutions do you propose for the majority of the population who are struggling to get by and who can’t even take time off work to protest or contact their local representatives? That’s the reality Americans are facing. Those with the most to lose are in the worst position to fight back.
Any protections that people once had are being stripped away each day. I mean, calling it illegal to boycott Tesla? Calling actual protesters domestic terrorists while hailing those who stormed the capital ad heroes?
The situation looks grim for Americans.
Lmao, I’ve got a bullet for every magat fuck that crosses the border. Last thing they’ll hear is a tree speaking French
it would be great to remind americans how many sniping records get broken by canadians. start making that gear domestically, if you don’t already. maybe start taking out tires on trucks with american plates. just so they know how unwelcome they are, and if they want to take something across the border, it had better be a canadian getting paid to do it.
I’ll be on this side of the border lighting off freedom displays of fire works to signal every raiding party heading over.
I’m putting a new scope on my crossbow as we speak. Reusable ammo is an underrated perk.
im with you 👊
Ah, the French Canadian spirit!
Brb gotta affix a bayonet on my shovel.
Please stop radicalizing yourself and others. This is a conflict manufactured by Putin to sew disharmony between allies. There are better solutions, don’t stop looking for them.
Also, you may have just placed yourself in legal jeopardy. Fucking be cool.
This is a conflict manufactured by Putin to sew disharmony between allies.
It’s sow, not “sew”. But yeah, basically. He’s smarter than he gets credit for, not like it’s hard to fool someone like D-bag, but still. He saw a juicy opportinuty to manipulate a western bootlicker, and he got 77m other idiotic bootlickers to meme him into office.
Yeah and it worked. Canada and the us are fully enemies at this point. The best solution is for the what remains of the us to rise up and stamp out this dictatorship before things go too far.
Lol. Putin of course had a lot to do with it, but he targeted american trump supporters for a reason. They are particularily susceptible to manufactured division, they are subhuman hateful violent trash. I will gleefully kill the magat cultist freaks when they come to Canada. I have no doubt that Trump will try to send the military, and I have no doubt that his cultists will go along with it. Best of luck to anyone who wants to pursue “better solutions,” but I have been politely debating the issues for 10 years with republicans and they have only gotten crazier and crazier over time. The republican cult media ecosystem is pretty unanimous in their support for the annexation of Canada. This cannot be tolerated, not even 1 word of it. The line was crossed. There is no going back now, there is only one way out of this situation and its the expulsion of all the magats from the world. Send the cops to come arrest me. I won’t pretend that things are normal while the US prepares their citizens to accept Canada as an enemy that deserves to be attacked.
I agree with a lot of your points, but take a step back dude. You’re in too deep. Plan for the worst, sure, but don’t lose your humanity.
subhuman
you sure you’re not a fascist? you have some alarming things in common with one.
thank you though for providing a pitch perfect example of self-radicalization. i don’t think you’d even argue with that characterization, you’re proud of it.
Absolutely. You will find out soon enough why my characterization of the magats is justified.
What I can say for sure is the odds that there will be some kind of political or economic rupture between the US and Canada that lasts decades into the future have gone up substantially just over the course of the past few months.
Yup. Trump’s legacy will not be a glowing one at all.
I doubt that. He fucked up the first time around, broke shit, wrecked things, stole classified documents, convicted of 34 felons, stole PPE from blue states to kill them during covid and millions needlessly died during covid. What happened? Nothing. People don’t really remember any of that. He was never punished for any of his actions or crimes.
Trump is the prime example of American hubris and apathy.
Trump’s legacy will not be a glowing one at all.
It might literally be glowing at this rate. Also smouldering.
A boy can dream…
It might be a glowing one. I’m more worried about nuclear war now than I have been since the late '80s.
I just hope people remember than even AFTER the government changes, the companies and people behind them are still the same.
The anger I’m seeing isn’t just at Trump, it’s at Americans in general.
They voted for this lunatic, twice. How can we possibly trust that shit like this won’t ever happen again?
Not to mention the 1/3 of eligible voters who couldn’t fucking be bothered to vote at all. Fuck them too.
Same in Ontario. Thanks for giving us Doug Ford 3 times in a row, non-voters.
Couldn’t agree more. It’s hard for North Americans to get off the couch to cast a ballot.
Well yeah! It’s winter for crying out loud! Also I’m paying for Netflix, prime, Disney,crave… I’m behind on my shows.
Yeah and we don’t have voter suppression laws.
I voted by mail, super easy.
It was over 1/3 of people who didn’t vote.
This. There were more voters that didn’t vote, than voted for trump. This is all because of ignorance and laziness. The US deserves everything it gets.
The rest of the world doesn’t.
Let’s leave a little bit of anger for those at home who are enthusiastically supporting Poilievre. They would happily lead Canada down the same path as the USA.
That is a different anger budget
That’s one of the biggest things. The first time they voted for Trump, we could forgive them, since it was hard to predict that he would be quite that awful. But this time? They knew. They knew what he was, what he stood for, and what he would do. They knew, and they chose him anyway.
Especially when he spent the four interim years purging the party of anyone not 100% faithful to him, and publicly upping the aggressive rhetoric.
Everyone outside the US who was paying attention saw this coming. If we were blindsided, it was only in how much he’s been able to get away with so quickly; but we knew what most of his goals were.
We can’t and whatever comes after trump will be worse. The US cannot be trusted and is not reliable.
Oh the North Remembers.
The problem is that there is a not-insignificant number of people that want the US to annex Canada.
In the US, about 15% of Trump voters would support annexation of Canada, even if Canada didn’t want it. That’s about 1 in 7.
https://vancouversun.com/news/trump-51st-state-most-americans-have-no-interest-in-canada-annex
The disturbing thing is that about 18% of Canadian Conservatives would support annexation. That’s almost 1 in 5. Most of us know five Conservatives, so chances are you know someone who is essentially a traitor. I think Conservative supporters need to be aware that this is the company they keep.
I’ve started telling people with those views in real life to becareful, they may get treated the same way collaborators were treated in the Nazi occupied areas of Europe post war. I find it changes their demeanor pretty quickly without actually being a threat.
(I also want it to feel like a threat because it is.)
It’s not a threat, it’s the reality of how these things go. With most of our WW2 veterans dead, most people have neither connection to, nor appreciation of, what happens during a military occupation. They think it’s a fucking joke. It most certainly isn’t. The moment hostilities become inevitable, all of the people who thought it was funny to “own the libs” by publicly supporting annexation will find they are easy, identifiable targets for righteous anger, and they should best get out before they’re put out. Note that the government will not have time for controlled and legally respectful deportation, and it will be aggrieved patriots who decide their fate. Crowds of angry, scared people are not gentle, and they tend to be creative in the most horrible ways.
After hostilities end, no matter how they end, these people will still not feel any comfort. If they end up on the wrong side of history, as they usually do as traitors in an occupation, their fate is grim indeed.
The bottom line is they really should reexamine their loyalties carefully and if they choose to retain treasonous loyalties they should strongly consider leaving Canada. Not sure why they would want to stay anyway, when they clearly do not offer nor deserve the respect of their fellow Canadians.
100% agree.
It’s not a threat, it’s the reality of how these things go.
Be careful, the government might disagree. If you called a politician or CEO and told them to be careful or the public may give them the Luigi treatment or 1789 French treatment then you would most likely be arrested for threatening violence.
“Traitor,” okay. Canada may technically be a monarchy, but we don’t believe the monarch rules by divine right or something. They rule by appointment by Parliament. Parliament does not own us. Just because a person is born within Canada’s dominion does not place on them any moral or ethical obligation to support that state. How can someone who is not sworn to protect the state ever be a traitor?
Why don’t you go ask the Nazi sympathisers we executed for treason after the war about that?
If a state permits its citizens to betray the country in favour of an adversary in the event of a war, it’s incapable of protecting itself. The most important task of any society is to keep its members safe. A crucial aspect of that is accepting the social contract that everyone on the society will help keep each other safe, even in the event that an outside adversary invades and threatens to kill you. If you break that social contract- guess what? The rest of society will typically (at least historically) brand you as a traitor and imprison or execute you. Why? Because you’ve shown that you’re willing to put their head on the block for your own benefit, so they see you as a threat (perhaps the worst thinkable threat) to the security their society provides, and decide to remove that threat to protect themselves.
No matter what oath you have or haven’t taken, societies obligation to keep you safe only extends as far as your willingness to protect the society. This is why treason, in most societies, is seen as one of the worst, if not the worst, crime you can commit. It’s literally stabbing strangers that are willing to die for you and your family in the back.
Probably more Americans support being annexed by Canada than annexing Canada.
At this rate I would support the US being annexed by China. Don’t get me wrong, I much rather live in the EU, but the US’s two party system is so unbelievably incompetent and broken that even being governed by China would be an improvement over our current genocidal fascist oligarchy (I don’t actually want to be annexed by China, I want the US to adopt an actual democracy and to actually do things to help people instead of infinite money for genocide)
People in China accept having Xi as a dictator for life because they feel like a strong man is needed to run the economy and protect them from evil foreigners. Also he keeps the billionaires in China wealthy by oppressing the workers, so they support him.
Does any of this sound familiar? The US is already becoming China, no annexation needed.
The Vancouver Sun is owned by postmedia… so take whatever they,say with a grain of salt.
Yeah I hear you 100%. At this point any of the Postmedia outlets should be considered American propaganda, and they cannot be trusted.
However in this case the survey was from Angus Reid I believe. You can find the results elsewhere.
The one in five conservatives who want to be annexed by America know its the only way they can get American citizenship since they are probably low education and low skilled labour that America doesn’t even want. Otherwise they would just move to America.
That 18% number is based on polls that may be kinda susp, but even if it were true a lot of what I’ve heard from the dumbass gallery has been:
“Cool, then our dollar would finally be equal to USD” and “It’ll be easier to get flights to the US and Disneyland” or “Then we can vote in a proper government they’re and fix things”
I doubt the appetite for such goes much past a lack of critical thinking into what the realities would be
This may be so but as we’ve seen in other contexts - e.g., Brexit and the last US election - these are exactly the people that can do incredible damage that can last generations.
Absolutely. I’d also hazard that a certain portion of these “ideas” actually come from agents working social media etc to promote them .
They’re not just throwing out “DEI bad” but also “and wouldn’t you like…”
This is just the reality of living in a free-thinking world.
Damn right we are fucking mad.
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Look, I appreciate what you’re trying to say.
But man, do I really not care. When they say “at the US”, it means “at the US”. If there is one silver lining to this whole mess is that it is extremely, fundamentally, not about your feelings right now. We had to watch that trainwreck in slow motion, wondering what entitled nonsense of an excuse you were going to ride all the way to fascism (Gazan eggs, was it?) and now we don’t have to give a crap anymore because it’s done. I intend to take advantage of that.
But hey, you do all those things. If you guys ever come out of the sinkhole send a postcard. I’m sure our own survivors would loooove to know how it all went down from the Commonwealth of Eastasia or whatever is left at that point.
I am an idiot. I was yelling into the void and hoping to reach out and maybe give inspiration? to someone, BUT as an idiot I didn’t realize that I posted in a Canadian community. Yeah, we deserve everything we get. I can’t stand to even talk to other people I work with who helped make the situation the way it is. We are fucked here.
I am sorry
It happens.
Get organized.
Very inadequate response so far. G7 meeting did not result in any unity with G6.
It is straightforward to destroy US auto industry and agriculture. Export tariffs on energy, materials, potash. Stop reciprocal tariffs on China. China just tariffed US auto parts. Canada specializes in these. Great idea to get closer to Europe, but they do not have our back, and its not producing any results so far. Democrats definitely not a check on US empire/extortion.
It’s very easy to get a cost advantage in Canada for auto industry. Export tariffs provide revenue support for subsidies to ensure it. Fuck WTO rules, until “fake emergency” is revoked. Force automakers to side with Canadian plants. Michigan provincehood. Cancel all US military cooperation, kick them out of NORAD, demand refund for all F35s, and cancel rest without paying penalty on corruption grounds. Exterminate Boeing orders.
Immediate diplomacy with China, North Korea, Russia, Mexico. Hoping that other colonies choose Canada friendship over US boot licking, should be read as a long shot, unless we/they coordinate on destroying US auto, aerospace and weapons industry.
Where Trump/US (stop saying this is “one man” or even one party responsible) is very successfully keeping the colonies divided against China, and begging for submission to US military evil. That is precise path that loses our country. It’s time to commit to destroying US economy, until they back down, and we gain a better relationship than we had before.
Sorry Tankies, we aren’t going to run to China, Russia, and NK just because the US is starting act more like them.
You had me until the “China/Russa/NK” part…
Do you really think a good solution to the US slowly going haywire over the past 20-30 years or so is snuggling up to dictatorships, of which two have boots on the ground in the first major European war of aggression since WWII, and the third is the only thing keeping the economy of the other two afloat? I think not. I think alienating said dictatorships is a good idea. I also think the US needs to be confronted and forced to make a decision on whether it wants to remain on good terms with the civilised world.
snuggling up to dictatorship
instead of judging countries by how much the US praises their democracy, judge them by the control of oligarchy and colonial masters. US and we are far more corrupt, because democracy makes corruption easy.
Instead of “hating less liberal democracies to the point of suicide”, realize that “that bastion of freedom and democracy south of us” wants to destroy us. We need to make friends quick, and collectively destroy US manufacturing. An embarassing G7 joint communique of "we hate Russia even more now"divides Canada/west even further from Russia, which is exactly what US empire wants. Losers that desperately keep subservience to US military cooperation, and distances itself further from the enemies US tells us to make our enemies, is a loser move towards failure. Defense cooperation with Philippines categorically pathethic. Authorisizing US war on Mexico by agreeing to drug cartel designation as state sponsored terrorist, pathetic.
the first major European war of aggression since WWII
By far the greatest evil Canada has ever committed is pretending that US/Ukraine isn’t fully responsible for provoking/forcing this war. Just as Russia understood its survival was at stake and acted accordingly, you need to understand the same for Canada. When you lick US empire diaper with even greater enthusiasm, instead of breaking off US military cooperation, and taking a clear minded view of who could be helpful as friends, instead of desperation that existing friends will be willing to choose Canada over US.
If our leaders don’t make all possible new friends and detente with US enemies, then they will pull a “Chuck Schumer” after raising a tiny fuss. “No better option than full surrender”, because no other options were ever prepared.
HumanSpiral is a tankie who comments a lot. Have him tagged as such and I recommend you do the same, because these guys are prolific commenters trying to slowly normalize relations with Russia/China. It’s good to spot them early so you can move on.
Trump’s goal was to sow division
Everything’s going to plan
as instructed by daddy putin
Except he got divisions in the USA and unexpected unity in Canada.
With a division between the US and Canada
As they should be. This administration is trying to bully them into being the 51st state for absolutely no reason. So dumb and unnecessary!
You have oil. Always look at what he or putin sees as bringing in lots of cash.
Trump is ruining relationship with all of our allies to set up to flip on Russian side.
Canada is surrounded by the USA to the south and Russia to the north. Trump and Putin will be working something out. Being on friendly terms with the USA was foundational to Canada’s security, and now it’s gone.
inb4: Alaska allows Russian military base and Russian military exercises near Yukon and BC
Elbows Up!
This headline is subtly dismissive.
“Angry” and “right now” both suggest a transient state. That’s not what we’re seeing.
“Canada has finally had enough of the USA” would be a more apt title; or “Canada reaches its breaking point.”
Alongside of the #Never51 hashtag is an almost equally frequent #NeverGoBack. Canada, as a nation, as a people, are making the decision to go their own way, and never be so beholden to any country as we have been to the USA since 1959.
Never. Go. Back.
I used to be angry.
I still am, but I used to be, too.
I hope you’re right, but the public’s memory is short.
Some of the public are people like me. I stopped giving any money to Blizzard back when they made StarCraft (II?) require a Battle.NET account…or was it patching out already present offline LAN support? It was also hearing about shitty labor practices and workplace harassment at some point. My memory of why is pretty spotty, but the “don’t give Blizzard money” part has stayed crystal clear for decades now. I genuinely don’t remember why I first blacklisted EA games (might be commitment to DRM, might be just because they’re such a shitty company), but it’s on that list for life.
Heck, between 3rd-party DRM, loot boxes, and everything from “crunch time” development cycles to transphobia, I’ve been all but done with AAA gaming for several years. I could hardly be a gamer at all any more, if not for the rise of indie gaming, but that’s not really my point right now.
The point is I remember the important, actionable bits. And I think most other Canadians will also retain their simple conclusions that won’t need re-evaluation. After this, they’ll have a solitary pedestal in their mind palace just to store one special conclusion from all of this:
Fuck the U.S.
And after floundering around for a bit, Canadians will find the indie trade they love; in a few years, they won’t even miss AAA trading.
Congratulations on being part of the minority who keeps track of things like that. A lot of people just kind of go by their gut on every individual purchase.
As usual in politics and generally anything public facing, it’s not that people are literally incapable of remembering and understanding, as much as just not interested enough to do so.
Yea, in the US it lasts less than 4 years.
Hate.
