• cool@lemmings.world
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    11 hours ago

    achieved by refusing to vote against a fascist is a win.

    How? Either way I lose.

    If I voted for harris and harris won, I still lost. If I voted for harris and trump won, I still lost. if I voted for trump and trump won, I still lost.

    You’re naive enough to believe that harris winning is the same as you winning, and that’s just proving my point. You’ve been conditioned to think that a slow loss is the same as a win.

    Assuming you’re an American, by refusing to vote against fascism I’m pretty sure you won’t be having any free discussions in a year or so lest you be carted off by the local stasi.

    Yeah, you’re too far gone to be taken seriously. Your reply is just an automated response you feel compelled to make to fit in with other people who are also too far gone.

    Gonna block you now. Good luck in life.

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      How? Either way I lose.

      Because when you vote against a fascist you’re considering wider society, not just your self.

      If I voted for harris and harris won, I still lost. If I voted for harris and trump won, I still lost. if I voted for trump and trump won, I still lost.

      The correct statement is 'if Harris gets in, I lost. If Trump gets in everyone loses. Its about more than just you.

      You’re naive enough to believe that harris winning is the same as you winning, and that’s just proving my point. You’ve been conditioned to think that a slow loss is the same as a win

      I’m not American. What I am though is able to see that fascism is worse than conservatism. The fact that conservatism is still bad is irrelevant when the only other choice is an actual fascist because the fascist will probably remove your power to vote in the future.

      Gonna block you now. Good luck in life.

      Yeah, some truths are too uncomfortable to be lived with aren’t they?

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      I find it very interesting how conceptualizing binary states vs continuous ranges play into justifying not voting for the lesser evil.

      By definition, a request to acknowledge the lesser evil means that the audience is able to understand “evil” on a continuous range.

      Yet all of the justifications I see against voting for the lesser evil center on viewing the world through an absolute, binary lens. “I lose either way.” “Genocide is genocide, nevermind that there’s more of it, protestors are being silenced, the ones doing the genocide call Trump’s administration a ‘dream team’, we now have a genocide against trans citizens as well”, etc.

      Do you think you’d lose less had Kamala won? Why or why not?

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        9 hours ago

        My life is going to go on much the same no matter who is in office.

        The rest of you, though, should be asking yourselves why the greater evil won and consider running a good candidate in the future.

        The fact you’re trying to justify “losing less” proves my point further about your conditioning. Try to direct some of that energy towards the people who have conditioned you. Maybe then the greater evil won’t win next time because you people did something different.

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          My life is going to go on much the same no matter who is in office.

          Ah, now you’re saying the quiet part out loud - you cast your vote from an ivory tower, and that privilege allows you to justify not voting by chasing an esoteric ideal while facing no real consequences.

          Must be nice! If you have nothing at stake, there’s very little reason to listen to your suggestions about voting. You have no skin in the game - you’re the entitled rich kid protestor who, at the end of the day, goes back to a life they don’t have to worry about.