Not voting is not the same as not voting for Trump. Not voting is complying with other people’s votes. If you don’t live in a swing state then that’s understandable but if you live in a swing state and didn’t vote, you have allowed Trump to win this election.
I wonder what the percentage of not voters in swing states is. Surely it would be way lower since they have more incentive to vote right?
Your vote only matters in swing states. The whole electoral college thing is fucked.
Yeah, it’s pretty dumb. The popular vote is what should matter. That’s the only way each vote counts as much as any other vote, which is like a basic principle of democracy.
didn’t Trump still win the popular vote though
Yes, but many people simply don’t vote because they know their chosen party will win easily. By the numbers there are more Democrats than Republicans.
fair enough
Hitler got about 33% back when he started. He achieved his position by simply ignoring the law after that. Sounds familiar?
The really shocking stat is the growing number of eligible voters who have just stopped voting or participating in the system at all. When you look at the #1 reason why it is “no matter who wins my life doesn’t get better and no candidate represents me”. We have a quasi functional democracy at this point.
Well the US clearly doesn’t mind that much cause they’re accepting his neverending stream of shit.
Is this true, any source?
~70% of the US adults either wanted trump or at least OK with him, and by extension are ok with the muskrat
Maybe it’s time for the rest of the world to realize it’s not “just trump” but the USA as a whole is very racist, stupid and backwards country.
Maybe the pushback against trump we see all around social media is just the small loud minority.
Maybe it’s time to not consider Americans friends, and to stop supporting it as much as possible. I’ve started cutting off the american-made stuff I buy.
Maybe it’s time for the rest of the world to realize it’s not “just trump” but the USA as a whole is very racist, stupid and backwards country.
We knew.
Maybe the pushback against trump we see all around social media is just the small loud minority.
I think so too. They are not big, just loud.
Fucking wrong. Every asshole who abstained from voting, voted for Trump. He received 60%. At the very least, that 30% didnt vote for someone else.
If you people want me to vote for your candidate, make sure they aren’t just the “lesser evil.”
Try doing something different next time if you want different results. Don’t repeat the same mistakes.
Blame everyone who voted for hillary clinton in the 2016 primary for why we now have 2 trump presidencies. They’re out of touch.
I get the frustration but this is a bad take.
In a two-party, first-past-the-post system you kinda have an ethical obligation to vote for the lesser evil. It’s just a statistical fact you can’t ignore.
It fucking blows, but if your choices are the shitty status quo or full blown fascism, you really should pick the status quo.
Obviously doesn’t fix the problem with the Democrat party sliding further and further right since they can continue to claim “lesser evil”… and it also doesn’t fix the DNC superdelegate shenanigans that got us Hillary instead of Bernie… but I’d rather the country be able to still exist to fight another day.
In a two-party, first-past-the-post system you kinda have an ethical obligation to vote for the lesser evil. It’s just a statistical fact you can’t ignore.
Not really, but you’re free to believe that.
The ethical stance to take against 2 evil candidates is to support neither. Supporting the lesser evil makes useful idiots think that they’re winning and therefore stop fighting back.
Any ire you direct towards the people who don’t support evil candidates would be better spent directed towards those who do support evil candidates. i.e. don’t waste your breath arguing with non-voters, dedicate that energy towards the people who keep supporting candidates that don’t represent their interests.
It’s just a statistical fact you can’t ignore.
Actually, the people who refuse to support evil candidates are a statistical fact you can’t ignore.
Since we’re talking facts, let me lay another one on you. All you people do when you get mad at me for not voting is reinforce my decision to keep doing it. I’m not going to cave to look good in front of ya’ll, I genuinely don’t care what most of you think.
Either run a candidate that supports the working class, or I’m not voting for them.
The ethical stance to take against 2 evil candidates is to support neither.
This may be the ethical thing to do. However, ethical is not always the best.
By not voting the lesser evil, you allowed the more evil to win the elections.
The percentage of people has no direct impact to the end result. In a perfect democratic world, that non-voting majority would sign the elected government to be more careful with their decisions, as people are loosing trust. In the current state of “democracy”, a fascist just took over and started dismantling the country.
I’ve mentioned before how the problem with the lesser evil is that useful idiots stop fighting.
Since neither side really cares about solving the problems that face us as a species, it’s a loss no matter what.
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You have to vote according to how the electoral system actually works, not how you wish it worked. Unless you - yes, you - are personally prepared to fund and organise a revolution to change that system then you vote against the actual fascist.
I can tell you’re going to go through whatever mental gymnastics are necessary to convince yourself that voting for the lesser evil is somehow a win.
Sorry you’ve been conditioned to dedicate so much energy working against your own interests. If more of you diverted that energy to the people supporting our oppressors, we wouldn’t need to be having this discussion.
I can tell you’re going to go through whatever mental gymnastics are necessary to convince yourself that voting for the lesser evil is somehow a win.
My friend, the only one performing mental gymnastics right now is you trying to convince yourself that what you have achieved by refusing to vote against a fascist is a win.
Sorry you’ve been conditioned to dedicate so much energy working against your own interests. If more of you diverted that energy to the people supporting our oppressors, we wouldn’t need to be having this discussion.
Assuming you’re an American, by refusing to vote against fascism I’m pretty sure you won’t be having any free discussions in a year or so lest you be carted off by the local stasi.
achieved by refusing to vote against a fascist is a win.
How? Either way I lose.
If I voted for harris and harris won, I still lost. If I voted for harris and trump won, I still lost. if I voted for trump and trump won, I still lost.
You’re naive enough to believe that harris winning is the same as you winning, and that’s just proving my point. You’ve been conditioned to think that a slow loss is the same as a win.
Assuming you’re an American, by refusing to vote against fascism I’m pretty sure you won’t be having any free discussions in a year or so lest you be carted off by the local stasi.
Yeah, you’re too far gone to be taken seriously. Your reply is just an automated response you feel compelled to make to fit in with other people who are also too far gone.
Gonna block you now. Good luck in life.
How? Either way I lose.
Because when you vote against a fascist you’re considering wider society, not just your self.
If I voted for harris and harris won, I still lost. If I voted for harris and trump won, I still lost. if I voted for trump and trump won, I still lost.
The correct statement is 'if Harris gets in, I lost. If Trump gets in everyone loses. Its about more than just you.
You’re naive enough to believe that harris winning is the same as you winning, and that’s just proving my point. You’ve been conditioned to think that a slow loss is the same as a win
I’m not American. What I am though is able to see that fascism is worse than conservatism. The fact that conservatism is still bad is irrelevant when the only other choice is an actual fascist because the fascist will probably remove your power to vote in the future.
Gonna block you now. Good luck in life.
Yeah, some truths are too uncomfortable to be lived with aren’t they?
I find it very interesting how conceptualizing binary states vs continuous ranges play into justifying not voting for the lesser evil.
By definition, a request to acknowledge the lesser evil means that the audience is able to understand “evil” on a continuous range.
Yet all of the justifications I see against voting for the lesser evil center on viewing the world through an absolute, binary lens. “I lose either way.” “Genocide is genocide, nevermind that there’s more of it, protestors are being silenced, the ones doing the genocide call Trump’s administration a ‘dream team’, we now have a genocide against trans citizens as well”, etc.
Do you think you’d lose less had Kamala won? Why or why not?
My life is going to go on much the same no matter who is in office.
The rest of you, though, should be asking yourselves why the greater evil won and consider running a good candidate in the future.
The fact you’re trying to justify “losing less” proves my point further about your conditioning. Try to direct some of that energy towards the people who have conditioned you. Maybe then the greater evil won’t win next time because you people did something different.
Naaaah. I’m going to go ahead and blame the people who arrogantly chose to feed their entitlement and not vote.
Cool. Let me know when that starts winning you elections.
Cool, and I’ll ask that you not only let me know when doing absolutely nothing starts winning elections, but also that you let me know when time when it ever has.
Better yet- how about you tell me of an instance in history when not doing shit has ever won anything at all.
Your refusal to vote helped put us right where Trump wanted. Own that shit.
How many times does the “fall in line crowd” not have to fall in line before you people start doing something differently?
Your refusal to vote helped put us right where Trump wanted. Own that shit.
Lol. How about the people that voted for hillary clinton in the 2016 primary own trump getting the presidency at all?
How about you hold them accountable? Or let me guess, you’re diverting all that energy towards me instead.
Thanks for proving my point, again.
Vote against genocide. It’s that simple. There are no excuses, when genocide is on the table, you do something.
Yeah… now people have to argue if whoever you’re talking about really supports genocide, and to what extent.
As usual, apathy is the greatest ally of authoritarianism.
I’d say the lesser evil is the greatest ally of authoritarianism in this case.
People don’t vote for democrats because democrats don’t care about the working class. They just use the culture war as a distraction from the class war.
If useful idiots didn’t vote for hillary clinton in the 2016 primary, we would’ve had 8 years of Bernie and 0 years of trump.
Instead, they just throw a woman up and say “hey guys! first BLACK woman president! Vote for us or you’re a bigot fascist!”
Surprise surprise, that’s not a winning strategy. Stop supporting the democrats who push it.
Fun fact: both times democrats ran a female president resulted in a trump presidency. In other words, 100% of female democratic presidential candidates lost to trump. If we follow history and want a fascist in office, let’s run a female that doesn’t care about the working class.
It’s so fucking infuriating that practically every election, if it were possible, “did not vote” would win the presidency.
We’re always looking at some stupidly close, razor margins bullshit, when there’s a MASSIVE group of people that unfortunately just couldn’t possibly give a shit less…
I vote that if “did not vote” wins, that means “nobody” wins, and therefore “nobody” is president for 4y, try again next time.
I also vote that we as a country take a que from Talkeetna, AK. We should elect a cat president, if one can be mayor why not? And a cat will do better than any human I’ve met, so…
They would have to be 35 and a natural born citizen. Maybe a turtle or a parrot would work?
That’s the point. It’s important these people think that each election is between a giant douche and a turd sandwich.
It’s why Bernie wasn’t allowed to win any primaries.
The election was stolen with Russian and Muskys help.
Don’t enable the abusers narrative.
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The election was stolen with Russian and Muskys help.
It should never have been close enough for them to matter.
This is who we are.
If there was cheating, closeness would be an illusion.
This isn’t who we are
Some people maybe.
But if there was cheating
That would mean there’s more of us.
And this is first across the finish line politics. Want change? Endorse pluralist elections.
Party loyalists hate this message and would rather you just say, “vote blue no matter who”. But I’m with you. I’m tired of having to hold my nose in the polling booth every time. End first past the post elections.
End first past the post elections.
Well, Trump intends to end elections period, so in that sense it’s a win! /s
End the electoral college… citizen United super charged the electroal college for the rich
Either way. Americans have done nothing to change their electoral process.
First Past The Post in this age?
No Universal Civic Duty voting in this age?
This is a product of American inaction. And their insistence that their system is the best despite it being considered archaic and prone to manipulation by other modern democracies.
Exactly, having just over 30% of the population able to choose the President is NOT democracy.
Also! They literally let someone hand out 250 million dollars, openly, and our “courts” gave it the go-ahead - even if it goes against some of the longest standing legal precedent regarding buying votes (done with booze back in the day).
This election wasn’t a thumb on the scale, it was the oligarchs mushroom-stamping humanity.
Also, these oligarchs don’t realize that they’re going to be robbed just like the rest of us when the time comes. If they don’t do exactly what trump and putin want, they’ll either fall out of window or have to spend the rest of their lives hiding. These will be remembered as the good ol’ days.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspicious_deaths_of_notable_Russians_since_2022
