I wish I could post this here in Australia without getting rocks from every white Australian. You can search my post history to see their reaction to questioning this.
Australia was involved in every one of those crimes. And the celebration for those meaningless murders are everywhere. Questioning this is questioning the sacrifice of Jesus.
Though by order of our north american overlords the US should not be alone in that title.
We really need to separate the trauma that formed the ANZAC legend from the fuckos of any warfare since.
My great-grandfather was an ANZAC - actual, WWI, 23rd Battalion, 16 year old. I knew him extremely well, I was sixteen when he passed. I had a front row seat to what happened to those kids for the rest of their lives.
I don’t fucking venerate servicemen.
Seeing the public reaction to some of the military adjacent cases over the past few years has been incredibly disheartening (e.g. McBride)
A lot of excusing going on on that last panel
This was also said in a context that included a military draft
“Just following orders” etc etc.
How’d that work out in nuremburg?
The mods at non credible defence aren’t going to like this.
What even is the purpose of that sub?
The same as NAFO: shilling for the MIC
It’s just shitposting but defense themed
What if my jerking in a circle was heavily armed?
Defense, in the same way the pictures in OP were defense.
Of course from a russian POV it musst look like that to a .ml enjoyer.
Russians are the only ones who don’t like it when we drop bombs on kids. Idk why they wanna spoil everyone else’s fun! The kids are fine with it, it’s just those mean ol’ Russians going on about “human rights” or whatever. The million dollar bombs that we build instead of paying for healthcare, education, or functional bridges are so damn cool that the only reason anyone would possibly have a problem with them is if they just hate America.
This is what y’all actually believe, but the even crazier part is that you’ve somehow managed to convince yourselves you’re leftists!
Oof, more .ml talk, I’m not gonna read that shit lmao
hurrr ml 🙈
bigoted against people based on where they’re from refuses to educate themself defends the US military
Yup, checks out
Par for the course.
The first picture is an apartment block getting leveled.
The third is a child who managed to tear her clothes off after the US dropped napalm on them as they fled their village, but was burnt badly enough she had to spend 14 months in the hospital. She was one of the lucky ones.
The fourth is the second atomic bomb the US dropped on a civilian population.
From what perspective is murdering hundreds (hundreds of thousands in the case of Nagasaki) of civilians just trying to live their lives on the other side of the planet acts of self-defense?
Nice spin. The point is that NCD is defense themed and Nato themed, not that the pictures aren’t of atrocities.
Claiming that any of the war crimes pictured was anything to do with “defense” (as opposed to “offense” or, better yet, “bloodthirsty neocolonial conquest”) is olympic-tier mental gymnastics.
NATO is the largest Imperialist millitary coalition in the world, NCD being NATO focused directly means that it’s focused on celebrating Imperialist atrocities.
In OP are images of what NATO, an organization that has never fought a defensive war in its entire existence, calls defense.
NCD is not about “defence” it’s about war and the glorification of weapons used to murder children. At best it’s ironic and incredibly tasteless, more realistically, they’re just a bunch of bloodthirsty fascists hiding behind irony for plausible deniability.
a place for chuds to cope
Spreading war propaganda
Fetishizing NATO, basically.
They might still cum from the top left one
The amount of cope in this thread is astonishing. I never thought I’d see an actual person justifying killing hundreds of thousands of civilians with a straight face. But here we are
ACAB includes the troops. Going to foreign countries to shoot brown kids doesn’t make you any less of a bastard than doing it at home.
I don’t think any cops have been drafted into police service. They also don’t go to jail if they quit their job. And I haven’t heard of police recruiters using predatory tactics and targeting disadvantaged groups. The military does, or has done, all of those things to recruit troops.
If you chose to go kill and uphold imperialist aggression rather than just go to jail then you are in fact a bastard
If @LegitTayUpdates can do it, so can you
I don’t think any cops have been drafted into police service.
The US (which is what this meme is focusing on) has an all-volunteer force.
They also don’t go to jail if they quit their job. And I haven’t heard of police recruiters using predatory tactics and targeting disadvantaged groups. The military does, or has done, all of those things to recruit troops.
There’s plenty of pro-cop propaganda and plenty of people who join the police thinking they’re going to do good. I’m sorry but at some point people have to be held accountable for their actions. Any troop that’s not a bastard and who’s actively trying to leave should understand why I call troops bastards. It was bastards who recruited them, after all, and it’s bastards keeping them there.
In any case, people make way too many excuses for these people, and all it does is reinforce the idea that it’s ok, which leads to more people falling for that propaganda and those predatory tactics.
Leave it to a .ml user to ignore all context…
The US currently employs “volunteer” troops, but also requires all male citizens to register for a future draft. Many living veterans were drafted. And many others were in vulnerable situations that recruiters recognized and preyed upon. Once you join the US military, it’s a crime to quit.
There is clearly some nuance needed when taking about US war veterans.
I have a question for you. If they made it a crime to leave the police until you finished a set term, would that make you object to anyone saying “ACAB?”
You know, you could just make a different phrase for troops.
“Fuck the troops”
ATAB works too. But troops are essentially just cops we unleash on foreign countries.
War is hell.
“No, war is war, and hell is hell. Og the two war is a lot worse” -Dr. Pierce, M.A.S.H.
Edit: I see now that someone else already posted the whole exchange from MASH in another comment.
That must be the reason they call America Big Satan.
War… war never changes…
Praise your “heroes”. It’s enlightening to watch a civilization confuse slaughter with honor.
Why would we celebrate LOSERS and SUCKERS?
One of the few things I agree with him on
The only accurate thing Trump ever said
When’s the next war on bud light rainbow cans? 🤡🫡🤡
On Thursday.
Thursday is no good for me, planning on having my bros over for a no homo circle fuck and foot rub party. Can’t do that without Bud light, obviously
Re bottom left photo, Phan Thi Kim Phuc was burned by napalm dropped by the Republic of Vietnam Air Force.
Well the bomb was retaliation for the Bataan Death March.
Either way, no side is innocent.
The bomb is one of the many crime against humanity US have commited and have not been punished for. Hiroshima museum is a testimony of this crime.
Promptly swept under the rug and censored so the country doesn’t get a bad rep
… oh wait
Yeah, I’m so glad the civilians in Hiroshima got punished for participating in war crimes
Gotta blow em up make a point y’know
It’s not clear that this affected the decision to drop the bombs let alone the sole reasoning. Frankly, there was little justifiable strategic argument for use of them at that point in the war aside from as a form of intimidation against the Soviet Union. More likely the US would have dropped the bombs regardless and it was used as a justification after the fact: “the Japanese were barbaric, so this justifies our barbarism!”
Solution: build bigger bombs!
Ah yes, those Japanese children and citizens ordered the Bataan March. Yep, that’s how it happened
Gotta be more inhumane than the enemy
that’s the art of war
Yes, only American military veterans did bad things.
Didn’t check the instance I was on. My bad. I’ll let y’all get back to it.
Anyone who seriously looks at history would agree that yes, every wartime military has a war crimes problem. No exceptions.
But anyone who seriously looks at history must also admit that American veterans have committed the vast majority of war crimes since the end of WWII. We have invaded over 70 countries and killed millions of innocents. No other country even comes close.
not only usian veterans, but predominantly them.
This is offtopic, but is there any reason for using a word derived from USA instead of saying veterans from the USA? Usian sounds wrong
because calling them “american” implies the USA is the entire continent. i cant really call myself an american, even though i am.
they stole the word to mean “them” like the rest of the continent doesnt matter.
also in my country we call it “estadunidense”, which roughly translates to “usian”.
Interesting. In Canada we just refer to the country as US, but to its denizens as Americans.
Listen, not all nazi soldiers were particularly bad. I’m sure a chef in the rear guard probably did not do a single war crime. But when the SS existed we know that the chef isn’t what most people refer to when discussing war crimes of the era.
Its the same in this era. Sure, there are bad guys all over the place, but compare to the US there’s really only a handful of entities in the post WWII era that could be equals, and none more evil.
No, any member of the SS was used and helped the SS to commit these crimes and kill people. Everyone in the SS was responsible in many ways.
The predicted Allied casualties for a mainland invasion of Japan were so high, especially with regard to the civilian fanaticism witnessed throughout the Island-hopping Campaign, the right choice was using the Atomic Bomb. After use of the first atomic bomb, when Japan failed to yield and refused to surrender, the return to consideration to a homeland invasion, along with running the numbers of anticipated Allied casualties, made using the second Atomic Bomb the correct choice. The best choice was made, with regard to the information on hand at the time.
The predicted Allied casualties for a mainland invasion of Japan were so high
Those estimates were made after the fact, in response to criticism. In reality, a mainland invasion was never in the cards at all. It’s a myth. There’s nothing about it in any of the letters or journals of the people making the decisions. There were two actual alternatives to the bomb:
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Cooperating more with the Soviets. The Japanese refused to surrender in part because they were holding out a desperate hope that the USSR would intercede as a neutral third party in peace negotiations, when in fact they were just stalling for time while they redeployed their troops from Europe to Asia. The US and USSR had planned to issue a joint declaration calling for Japan to surrender at Potsdam, but Truman pulled out at the last minute when he heard that the bomb had been tested successfully. The soviet declaration of war was only days apart from the dropping of the bombs and the Japanese surrender.
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Accepting conditional, rather than unconditional surrender. The Japanese had already offered to surrender on the sole condition that the emperor not be tried for war crimes. The US had every intention of doing that, and it’s what they actually did after the war. However, Truman had promised “unconditional surrender” and he wanted the newspapers to call it that.
The decision was all about prestige and politics and not sharing the spotlight. It wasn’t necessary.
This is a very long video about it but it’s very informative and well sourced.
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I’m not interested in your American propaganda protecting American innocence.
The atomic bomb is the last image is the reason we haven’t had a world war in 70 years. It has saved more lives that it took. It’s the reason you sleep safe in your bed at nights. It was essential in ending the war against the Axis. You guys need to be grateful.
Napalming kids though, harder to defend….
The US only dropped the A-Bombs on Japan because they didn’t want the Soviets to gain even more post-war leverage, they killed civilians in the many tens of thousands just for political leverage.
… and to avoid a boots-on-ground invasion of the main landmass of Japan, which would have cost probably a million soldiers lives, and who knows how many Japanese civilians.
Not quite. That’s the line they gave for justifying murdering a hundred thousand civilians, the reason was to stop the Soviets from gaining further influence, as they had just declared war on Japan and stood to gain even more post-war cred after defeating the Nazis.
Ok, I assumed it was in retaliation for Pearl harbour?
You mean the military target? As opposed to the civilian targets of Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
No. The firebombings of Tokyo more than made up for that.
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