• nova_ad_vitum@lemmy.ca
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      Even if they did Russia wouldn’t be able to resist constantly antagonizing them to the point that they seek NATO membership. Thats what “NATO expansionism” is.

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        I’m not convinced it’s that important since the Russian people will be the ones affecting the invasion. Dramatic punctuation doesn’t change the fact that Putin has been in continuous control of Russia for decades. He’s their guy. I think the American public is complicit in genocide of Palestinians. Why would the Russian public get a pass for the misdeads of their government?

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          Of course they will be affected and already do be. I don‘t get the point? No, he is not. A lot of people got arrested and/or killed because they protested (way before the „special operation“) and a lot of people fled the country. Unfortunately the core state of the USSR never managed to establish a functionsl democracy. But clannishness is bullshit. Putin made himself over decades a de facto dictator - tsar? Well, dramatic punctuation does in fact emphasize core ideas: To be Russian =/= To be evil or supporting putin.

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            Nobody called anybody evil. This isn’t about clans. People who live in Russia (ie Russians) will be the ones on the ground doing the invading. Whether they like it or not, they are supporting Putin. It’s not really important what’s in the heart of Ivan on the ground if he’s picking up a rifle or mass producing fasteners used in the construction of tanks.

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    Of course, his demands are impossible. That way, he can just point to everyone else and say “see? They’re prolonging the war!“

    I really wish people would stop, acting shocked and surprised when Putin and Trump do shit like this. We have known, for decades, that both of them are insane monsters. Do something!

    • chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world
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      Trump might be insane but Putin is far from it. He’s been locked in a battle for the survival of his regime (and by extension his life) for decades. He’s extremely savvy at playing the political game in Russia.

      Trump basically shoots from the hip all the time and thinks only his relationships with people and his deal-making matter. He’s a sitting duck for a manipulator like Putin.

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    Seems like reasonable demand

    Of course, for fairness sake that would also mean no Russian troops in any russian countries bordering the West

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    Russia is not a serious country. The demands are essentially a shitpost. It’s one of the most delusional things I’ve seen in a while.

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    So Russia wants vassal states of everyone on their border. Just fucking try it with Finland. Go on, it will be funny.

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        All the Eastern Europeans know that Russia is not to be trusted. There is a reason all of them pushed so hard to join NATO.

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          Go speak with real people, everyone I know is terrified of immigrants and want to vote for the furthest right, even pis despite their past scandals with selling visas.

          They’re telling me the ukrainean ““dictator”” is a world wide begger that keeps the war going to get rich. The Polish are clad with propaganda. They will be invaded by the Russians and they will love it

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              he’s not wrong. AfD are on the rise in Germany, NF in France, Reform in the UK. Immigration is the core issue for a huge swathe of the european population. whether you believe in russian interferance or not it wont matter when these parties get in, which they will.

              There is some extremely concerning polling in the UK putting reform ahead of all of the other parties including the one currently in government.

              We have some strong european leadership right now in terms of rhetoric, but macron is weak domestically, and Merz had to form a coalition to keep the AfD out

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                “Merz had to form a coalition…”

                Dude, ever since the BRD exists ALL governments in Germany were coalitions.
                Every single one of them.
                So, if you dont understand what you talking about about, please read some wiki article or something, and skip the rightwing bullshit propaganda on youtube, ok?

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                  AfD is getting close to large enough to make forming a coalition to cut them out of the decision making process not possible without increasing fragile coalitions from other parties that dont work well together.

                  but keep ignoring the problem, sure

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                Immigrants are just a Boogeyman being used as propaganda to prop up Russian-backed conservative political movements.

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            One day an old jewish pole, living in Warsaw, has his last light bulb burn out. To get a new one he’ll have to stand in line for two hours at the store (and they’ll probably be out by the time he gets there), so he goes up to his attic and starts rummaging around for an old oil lamp he vaguely remembers seeing.

            He finds the old brass lamp in the bottom of a trunk that has seen better days. He starts to polish it and (poof!) a genie appears in cloud of smoke.

            “Hoho, Mortal!” says the genie, stretching and yawning, “For releasing me I will grant you three wishes.”

            The old man thinks for a moment, and says, “I want Genghis Khan resurrected. I want him to re-unite his mongol hordes, march to the Polish border, and then decide he doesn’t want the place and march back home.”

            “No sooner said than done!” thunders the genie. “Your second wish?”

            “Ok. I want Genghis Khan resurrected. I want him to re-unite his mongol hordes, march to the Polish border, and then decide he doesn’t want the place and march back home.”

            “Hmmm. Well, all right. Your third wish?”

            “I want Genghis Khan resurrected. I want him to re-unite his --”

            “Okokok. Right. What’s this business about Genghis Khan marching to Poland and turning around again?”

            The old man smiles. “He has to pass through Russia six times.”

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    so, NATO’s surrender then… as a condition of a cease-fire with Ukraine… which isn’t a NATO member… which Putin invaded ostensibly to prevent it from joining NATO. right…

    sure, I think we can do that. no Western troops, no problem! we’ll just give them each a few dozen hydrogen bombs, and call it even.

    • Silic0n_Alph4@lemmy.world
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      A few dozen hydrogen bombs each? Sir, this is Europe! We won’t have such uncivilised weapons that could be used for discriminatory purposes in our beautiful continent.

      No, the only solution is for every country in the EU, NATO, or bordering Russia to be equipped with a Project Sundial device. It’s the only way to preserve European unity.

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        If built and detonated, Sundial would have created a fireball up to 50 kilometers (30 miles) in diameter, instantly igniting everything within 400 kilometers (250 miles) and causing a magnitude 9 earthquake. It was thought that the explosion would lead to an apocalyptic nuclear winter, drastically lowering global temperatures and contaminating water sources, resulting in mass fatalities.

        If detonated at an altitude of 28 miles (45 km) the Sundial device could ignite fires across an area the size of France.

        The fuck is wrong with us?

        • skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.deM
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          that’s 50s nuclear weapons development for ya

          also probably didn’t help that it’s likely that Teller had autism and just wanted to make bigger bomb until he was removed from nuclear weapons design teams

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            so autism caused Musk to seig heil, and autism caused Teller to build doomsday devices. so basically Dr. Strangelove is autism’s final form. (/s)