The guy is getting roasted in the comments too, especially about being unfair to NDs
Oh fuck not this guy leaving containment and ending up on Lemmy of all places.
Ok so this guy is in my field and is 100% the grandpa he appears to be. The worst part thought is that if you catched this, he talked about a career in “I-O”. Most of you probably don’t know what he’s talking about, but he’s referring to the field of “Industrial and Organizational Psychology” which is the study of people within organizations. What makes this extra bad is that we actually are the ones who study stuff like “how to conduct ethical and high quality interviews”. So he basically violated about everything we recommend in our field why doing this and publishing it. Its honestly embarrassing that this will be many of your first impressions of my profession.
Also the comments are roasting him so badly OP as the comments are likely filled with people who are experts in the subject, so its a deep roast
I do like the bit where he’s refusing to leave voicemails and then complaining about phone tag. Thus exacerbating it by refusing to effectively communicate.
If he had just left a message the first time he called, he wouldn’t now have to be doing the second phone call. Talk about not getting it.
Oh my God please be true that is hilarious
It is, just looks up the guys name and what the field of IO is. If you look at my comment history you’ll see I’ve spoken about my field many times. It is pretty embarrassing.
He had a pretty reasonable response to the backlash, at least.
Honestly more people in high positions need a vibe check every now and then. Rich and powerful people become so insulated and surrounded by yes-men they think their ideas are infallible. As negative as social media is, one of the nice things is it levels the playing field a bit and gets that brutal feedback straight to them.
(Granted the truly narcissistic and arrogant will just brush it off, but for some, it’ll cause them to reflect)
I’m largely convinced that lack of vibe checking is why the particularly powerful and particularly powerless seem to lose their minds in the same way. You’re about equally likely to convince the ceo and the homeless guy out front that what they’re saying is completely untethered from reality, and they’re similarly likely to make you regret trying.
Doesn’t change anything. His initial tirade shows what kind of self absorbed piece of shit he is. Everyone’s been inundated with spam calls for decades now. He’d have to have been living under a rock to not understand that. To expect people to just answer an unknown number, or call back when you don’t leave a voice mail saying who the fuck you are and what you want is asinine. But no, HE’S special and if you don’t answer HIS calls your a bad candidate.
Less shocking than usual. The rest of his post was pretty on point tbh. If anyone could acknowledge their faults, it’s someone that hires the whole person.
Nothing screams “hires the whole person” like dismissing candidates for arbitrary reasons like being too busy to answer the phone.
I’ve been in so many corporate jobs where they dismiss candidates because they couldnt solve brain teasers or explain what they would put in a ultimate burrito. I shit you not.
Counterpoint. If you give someone your phone number, you shouldn’t be shocked if they try to call it.
Nobody mentioned being shocked; your “counterpoint” is countering a point nobody made. You don’t have to be shocked to be busy or avoid answering unknown numbers, ( which is the norm now )
It’s expected that a caller with a legitimate professional purpose would leave a message. Has been since the answering machine came around. This isn’t some sort of novel wholistic approach to someone’s personally, it’s a specific, arbitrary filter to find people who don’t follow normal telephone interaction behaviors.
If you are not going to answer unknown numbers, don’t give your number to unknown people.
This is basic logic. Nothing to do with imaginary “normal telephone interaction behaviors”.
This is insane. Why wouldn’t they leave a voice mail? Why do you expect people to be available at all times?
For example, what if I’m in the middle of a bike ride when this person calls back? Or driving? In the shower? Taking a dump? In a sensitive conversation? On the phone with someone else?
This is the whole point of voice mail. There are plenty of reasons people might not answer the phone, even before the “spam call” issue comes into play.
Your “basic logic” is extremely flawed.
The argument is not about availability. It’s about answering calls from (listening to messages from, calling back to) unknown numbers.
So I understand you’ve literally never picked up a cellphone. Do you know what they look like?
I take it you often give random people your number then never answer your phone.
Calm down Adam Landers
So, I shouldn’t put my phone number on my resume?
If you are not going to pick it up, don’t put it on there
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Counter-Counterpoint. If you call someone, you should understand that they may be unable to answer to phone at a that specific time, and you should use the tools at your disposal, such as voicemail, to facilitate further communication.
Oh yes. The boomer is at fault also (but will try calling again). His attitude wasn’t my argument.
Look he’s managed to get a bunch of letters after his name so obviously he’s very pleased with himself. And then it turns out that this is for a consulting company. It’s like becoming super pleased with yourself because you become a shift manager at a call centre. That’s not a life achievement worth bragging about.
I used to work in a marketing company and the number of “self-made” individuals (daddy’s money had absolutely nothing to do with it, honest) spouting garbage like this was insufferable. Calm down Jeremy, you own one bed and breakfast hotel, you are not Jeff Bezos.
I wonder if this asshat enjoys all the scam calls he answers.
thats it, I only answer calls or call back IF they leave a message. If not message is left then I assume it’s not important or a scam/advertising.
startup consulting consortium
🤮
I don’t think this is that bad.
A bit unorthodox, and old school, but unorthodox interviews aren’t bad and neither are phone interviews.
The problem is that he didn’t provide a number for people to add to their safe-callers list, so that they know it isn’t spam when he calls.
Also, depending on the position, he needs to make sure that the call is not going to be in the middle of important meetings. He presumably doesn’t want to hire people who take calls in the middle of client negotiations
Yeah, it’s old fashioned, I think, but still in the domain of expected practice. Job hunting, selling something, expecting a visitor, etc are all reasons to actively expect a phone call during reasonable hours.Edit: I misread this and thought he was leaving messages. Not leaving messages is unreasonable.
When it takes ten thousand applications and many months to be available 16/7 for a call then it isn’t really reasonable anymore.
It’s not like you gave out 4 handshakes and are expecting 3 offers in the next week.
The man in OP said he leaves and message and calls again to be sure. That’s reasonable. The 16/7 thing you added so you could be more angry about it.Edit: I misread this and thought he was leaving messages. Not leaving messages is unreasonable.
I think you need to read the post again. That is very much not what he said. It’s in a different time zone to what he said.
Ah you’re right, I misread it. I thought he was leaving messages. Not leaving messages is unreasonable.
I downvoted you because I think it is “that bad” but then you made some good points at the end so I removed my downvote.
That’s fair lol
haha thanks for the reasonable reply! no snark? no rage? no name calling? shit, i didn’t think that existed on the internet anymore. you got that upvote for being this cool about it 😄
Stupid sexy Landers
What does someone’s personal life have to do with their work performance? Why does he want to get to know who they are “as a person” rather than know how they are qualified for the job? This has a bunch of red flags as far as I’m concerned
Hell just thinking about myself I’m an abrasive asshole but I can still do most work just don’t put me in customer service and I won’t tell someone to drown themselves in their own piss. Just let me do my thing and the jobll be done.
Narcissism abounds in every sentence.
Crisis averted to those who did not answer.
Someone of his age and in his position should already know and demonstrate proper decorum, even with “modern technology” like … voicemail? And acceptable procedure, like scheduling important calls. And having a bit of grace. Or a smidgen of empathy. Uh, how is he qualified to be President and CEO when he lacks anything necessary to be a leader?
Even in the best of interpretations, this is someone enormously out of touch. Even with the apology posted below, there’s no way I could or would have confidence in this person’s leadership. It’s one thing to make a mistake, it’s another to be so woefully out of touch with reality for so long that you literally didn’t know that leaving voicemail is a normal thing people do and giving folks a heads up so they expect your call and can make themselves available for it is just good manners at a minimum.
The man has a point about interviewing for an intern based on personality, instead of experience or company bootlicking.
But the rest comes straight out of the looney bin.
“Startup consulting consortium”
Code for broke AF mid-life career-crisis.
What is NDs?
Neuro-Divergent
There’s no way in hell that’s a paid internship.
In a lot of countries, especially in Europe, internships are not allowed to be paid. If you’re paying then that person isn’t an intern, they’re an employee and therefore should be earning a wage commensurate to that position.
If you are interning at a company and not being paid then you are still entitled to benefits, but if you start getting paid then that causes problems, especially if the amount of money you’re earning isn’t really a very large amount, you can end up worse off than if you weren’t paid and continue to receive benefits.
An intern is supposed to be someone being trained, they’re not supposed to be there just so they can worship at the feet of some self-absorbed asshat. Basically even intern isn’t getting in the way and actively decreasing productivity due to needing to be shown how to do everything, then they’re not an intern.
It seems to me that looking for a job in the pre-internet days was a fairer process that gave more unemployed an equal chance. Nowadays with these “corporate” job apps it just seems like your screaming into the wind.
