No need to name names or sources.
Mine has to be some dude that insisted that advertising is a “30,000 year old technology”
“Fahrenheit describes the level of comfort for a human. From coldest to warmest that you may experience outside.”
Europeans shaking and crying at the realization that the difference between 70° and 75° is more obvious and meaningful than 21.11° and 23.88°
*Europeans, Asians, Africans, southamericans, australiaandoceanians and 23/24 of northamericans
*21.11°
Combined with the trite “Fahrenheit is for humans, celsius is for water”.
I once got accused of having a corporate shill account after explaining how coupons work.
Man was whingeing about paying full price for Domino’s and got pissed at me when I pointed out they didn’t use the 2 for 7 deal that takes up half their homepage.
Some people just can’t admit they fucked up XD
Someone called me a rapist for saying that I’ve choked women during sex. Consenting, adult women.
You should have sent them a link to kink.com it would blow their minds.
Hmmmm.
So what does it mean if I enjoy practicing hojojutsu on my consensually non-consenting partner…?
One of the first argument I’ve got myself into was returning the shopping cart to the designated spot. This person was replying to like 5 people at once justifying why they don’t always return the cart, because the weather is hot and the corral is far, etc. while we disapproved.
Got some reddit argument PTSD from that lol
I didn’t think not returning a trolly was something worth defending 😂.
Lmao I think I remember that one! Big Cart has a network of Lemmy shills, trust no one. 🕵♂️
I started an argument like that once. I made a joke about how there is literally always at least one person who defends not putting the cart back.
Only reason to not put it back is when you don’t wanna fight the homeless person bringing it back for you to keep the deposit coin.
Or when you’re drunk, going downhill with friends, crash and total it and take it home to make a grill out of it.
I used to not take my cart in, but I worked at Walmart at the time and pushed carts for them when needed. I didn’t mind doing it all, and didn’t care where anyone left their carts. Now that I’ve been at a better job for a while I put them up. Don’t want to be out of touch with Cary pushing.
I suspect that person would also justify littering in order to “ensure street cleaners don’t lose their jobs”
Shopping cart theory strikes again
Skee boo wee CART NARC 🚨
That using 100% free and open source software is more important than actually getting your work done.
In a thread about Affinity Photo where someone insisted that we should all use gimp and just not edit photos if gimp doesn’t have the features we need rather than asking Serif to port their software to Linux.
Also in several threads about migrating from Windows to Linux where every missing or complicated feature was brushed away with “just get used to not being able to do it, even if it’s critical to your workflow”.
That is 10,000% people who don’t do creative work especially professionally. I am fine with gimp and darktable versus anything Adobe/paid but I also barely use them lol. I would be back off Linux in a heartbeat if I honestly couldn’t use something I needed even though I prefer it.
Medical work, too. Several exam machines only work with Windows. I’ve heard once that “wine’s pretty good nowadays”, which completely ignores the detail that it isn’t tested with said equipment and its drivers.
Anything related to engineering, whether civil or mechanical, also goes with either Windows or Mac, because the free CAD options don’t hold a candle to AutoCAD and others.
Lastly, there’s no FOSS alternative to completely replace Microsoft Active Directory, so offices where 90% of the work is done on the web browser won’t bother because they’ll be losing control over individual machines.
There’s so much focus on “me” and “freedom” that they often forget there’s a whole damn world of different needs around them.
I could go on for days about the problems with medical devices. I write software for one of those at my day job and as much as our team would love to port the software to something other than Windows, that would be a logistical nightmare.
The thunderbolt connection alone can break because of a thousand factors, even on the exact combination of hardware and operating system it was tested with. Processing of medical images is often very GPU-heavy which gives us the same problems as with CAD software.
Even if you get all the technical problems out of the way, medical devices need to be certified before you’re allowed to use them for diagnostics. This often includes an exact specification of the platform you run the software on. If you just take something that’s certified for “Windows 10 between 20H2 and 22H2, Intel or AMD CPU, device driver version 8.1.23” and try to run it on Wine, I would expect the American FDA, German TÜV and Chinese NMPA to fight over who gets to kick your door in first. It might be possible to get a certification for a Linux version but probably only for one specific combination of distribution, display server and desktop environment.
CAD options also flow over to the whole GPU debate as well. Yes, Nvidia’s company practices are awful. Yes, I’d love to have more options. But this doesn’t change that most of the heavyweight CAD options out there don’t play well with non-Nvidia GPUs.
I’d love it if there were FOSS / GPU-agnostic CAD options. But until then, focusing on what works is important, y’know?
I’d call this political as well
One that I read on Mastodon:
Every bad thing about commercial software is the programmers’ fault. Even if it was something that management decided and the programmer fought against it and lost. They claimed you should rather risk losing your job than accepting an inconvenience for your user. Weird take but okay. Then they started comparing software engineers to soldiers “just following orders” during the holocaust. That’s where I blocked them. Cherry on top: they have “if you want to hire me as a software engineer, message me” in their bio. I wonder why nobody wants to hire them…
What kind of idiot can’t see the difference between “I’m going to implement this stupid feature that no one wants because my boss says I have to” and “I’m going to murder Jews because my boss says I have to”?
Even Nathan Poe would be amazed at the speed that that devolved into nazi comparisons
I think you mean Mike Godwin. Poe’s Law is about satire being hard to distinguish actual extremist views.
Edit: I really wanted to add a joke about Ward Cunningham but couldn’t find a good way to phrase it.
Ward Cunningham, creator of Calvin & Hobbes?
Bruh.
Everyone knows that was Jim Davis
No, that’s the creator of Heathcliff
Ops, good catch, I mixed them up.
Once knew someone who was convinced that Rage Against the Machine was a white supremacist band.
Because they liked them or because they didn’t like them?
that’s political I guess
Whatever the hell this conversation was:
Transcript:
Recessa, ↑4 ↓1: That’s completely idiotic, production exist because there’s demand for it.
commie, ↑1 ↓4: I think you understand that milk is produced as part of the mammalian reproductive cycle. can you describe the causal steps between demanding milk and it’s production?
friendlymessage, ↑3 ↓2: Do you think dairy cattle just randomly spawns on the planetary surface?
commie, ↑1 ↓3: do you think there’s a direct causal link between drinking milk and more being produced?
friendlymessage, ↑3: Are you fucking with me?
commie, ↑2 ↓3: no. I’m trying to illustrate that markets are not governed by natural law; they are populated by irrational actors.
friendlymessage, ↑2 ↓1: Yeah, but they’re not as irrational as you are and producing milk costs money. If there’s no market, they will stop because they are not fuckin lunatics and they don’t have infinite resources
commie, ↑2 ↓2: milk was farmed before markets existed. there is no reason to believe that will ever stop.
friendlymessage, ↑3 ↓1: That… must be the dumbest discussion I’ve had in a while. Please read through your comments tomorrow when you’re sober
commie, ↑1 ↓1: I’ve been sober all day.
friendlymessage, ↑1: Okay, whatever you say
commie, ↑1 ↓2: everything I’ve said is true. you’re objecting to reality, and being pretty shitty about it to me.
friendlymessage, ↑2: No, you’re just making a no sensical argument at all. Milk was farmed from dairy cattle because it was consumed by humans. It’s simple supply and demand. There is no rational argument at all that if mankind stopped consuming milk, it would still be farmed. Why would any farmer go through the effort to upkeep cows and keep them impregnanted to make them produce milk if they cannot trade it or won’t consume it? Yes, humans have free will but they won’t produce stuff with very high effort just for fun. Except maybe very sick minds that just enjoy animal cruelty. And you won’t elaborate what your actual point is anyway.
Also, not that it matters, but you’re arguing that dairy farming existed before the market is simply wrong. There has been trade between human civilizations long before we started domesticating animals.
I remember this one. And I remember being fucking incensed at the level of abject stupidity it involved.
Average Lemmy economist.
by far the best here
Unfortunately, it fails the thread, as it is political.
how though
They are arguing about market fundamentals, which means at least one of them is actually arguing “capitalism bad”, which is political.
Having read through the other comments I think this is the winner. This person needs to read a book. What a wild hill to die on.
Someone was trying to say the Van Halen’s song “Jump” was about suicide. Despite being presented with an interview with David Lee Roth (who wrote the song) explaining what the song was about. Still think about that. Idk why. Maybe because it was like one of those conversations you have with an edgy emo kid in highschool and realize they are full of shit. Some weird nostalgia I guess
It is a song influenced by seeing a report about a suicidal jumper, but repurposing the idea into a positive one. Basically, it is saying that instead of a suicide jump someone should take a leap of faith and improve things.
People fixate on certain lyrics and kinda ignore the rest of the song.
I knew someone who swore “Hallelujah” by Leonard Cohen was a dirty song because two lines could be interpreted as innuendo.
“Hallelujah” has an overt reference to the story of David & Bathsheba in the Bible, which is a story about a king watching a woman bathe and then sending her husband into an unwinnable battle so he could steal her from him.
Mixed with references to Samson and Delilah
But wait! There’s more!
Cohen is reputed to have written between 80[7] and 180[8] draft verses for “Hallelujah”—a number affected by having many versions of the same line.[9] He claimed 150 draft verses, substantiated by his notebooks containing manifold revisions and additions, and by contemporary interviews.[10] In a writing session in New York’s Royalton Hotel, Cohen is famously said to have been reduced to sitting on the floor in his underwear, filling notebooks, banging his head on the floor.
I know this because I love that song and was obsessed with it for a year or two.
Yeah, which was its own level of toxic, but maybe doesn’t have the super gross power imbalance?
Hell, I can make an innuendo with the word innuendo.
“Hallelujah” is a song about sex — but it’s not dirty sex, it’s holy sex.
I wouldn’t say “holy.” David’s actions with Bathsheba were explicitly not holy.
I seem to already have it blocked
went there and down-voted everything
But some of the posts are hilarious lmao
I use Mint btw
Wow, are we the baddies? This guy must have a really bad time in the Linux communities.
Kinda unironically: yes.
Linux is great for some use cases and at least decent for most others but what I’ve experienced in some Linux communities made me understand why people don’t feel welcome. In a thread literally titled “Help me like desktop Linux” that listed a few things I was struggling with, I got hit with a bunch of “you’re an idiot for not using the exact same distro that I like”, “works on my machine” and “you want the wrong things”. Even as someone who already had over a decade of Linux server experience, that almost made me turn around and walk away.
Yes, that’s true, sometimes bug research pointed me to the arch Linux forums, and I was like: never ever I post one of my noob questions there. But that’s not all. Its just one point of view.
The skill level differences with Linux are huge. And people that wrote great wikis are sometimes frustrated if they get asked things they already explained elsewhere.
Linux is confusing for beginners, never forget this fact and be kind.
I’m sorry you had that experience.
For some reason some Linux users are strict and preachy about it instead of treating it like a piece of software/environment just like any other.
Aside from that, it’s just good practice to be kind to others and explain things to new (and not new) users in a reasonable way.
Hopefully you find a solution that works for you (for whatever OS you choose).
wow the ratio on those posts
And it’s not even satire, the dude generally has a hate boner for Linux.
I remember him somehow managing to get banned by his autoban-bot on that community
Here’s a fresh one: someone called me a shitty parent because I think Americans are generally very intolerant of kids in public spaces. They flew off the handle because I said what some people call “annoying” I call “being a kid.” There are a lot of people on Lemmy who get very angry about the idea that kids might irritate them or otherwise make themselves known, and they immediately start ranting about how those parents are dog shit and the kids need to essentially be muzzled.
I have a pretty big ax to grind with all the eugenics/breeder bullshit going on in my country right now. It’s very scary and I get why people are weary of having kids. But anti-natalism is not a good look and this tendency for people to feel borderline virtuous for calling parents shitty for “not controlling their kids“ is really something to behold.
I’m not even here to have that debate. What’s so shocking to me is after just a couple of sentences the default stance is “you must be a shitty parent.” It’s pretty awful thing to say but I see it thrown around so casually all the time like how the right just calls people pedophiles for no fucking reason (obviously very different tiers of accusations but you get the point).
Not going to argue about the general kid stance. Just about the “shitty parent” bit, which is also de main complain.
There are two tiers of good/bad parent. There’s the objective one, are the kids being hurt? No, then you are a good parent. Pretty easy.
But there’s a more complex one. Are your education as a parent helping to produce an adult with a series of determined characteristics? This is a lot more complex. As there’s no universal agree on what a good adult is so there cannot be a good agree on which parenting is good because it produces these type of adults.
I’d would assume that when people say “you are a shitty parent” they would me mostly saying “your education will produce an adult that I do not consider desirable in my idea of a society”. That’s subjective. Some people prefer some traits and other prefer others.
As in this general example if someone sees a kids making a lot of noise and their parents not correcting them they may say “that’s a shitty parent”. Do they think they are hurting the kids? No. They’ll just probably think that those kids will grow up to be noisy adults and they don’t like noisy adults, so they think that’s not a desirable education for a kid in their society. Nothing more. I wouldn’t take those “you are a shitty parent” in any other way.
I agree, but also I think there’s a line between “kiddo getting excited or having a hard time in a public space” vs. “this kid is being neglected by their parents in favor of phones, and/or not taught general manners and human-to-human respect” because their parents are also inconsiderate of other people.
A child having a meltdown in a grocery store, or bouncing around a park or making excited commentary at a movie theater I can easily forgive. Ignoring and letting a child run off unattended in a restaurant where a server can trip and get hurt is a problem. A kid getting antsy happens, but you also need to let them know why they should be mindful in certain environments.
That said, there needs to be more openly kid-friendly spaces in the US, since they need free space to let off energy and develop their minds freely.
Not just kids, a lot of adults are annoying as hell too.
But Kids should be free to learn so for me it feels like they are allowed/have the right to be annoyingBut Kids should be free to learn so for me it feels like they are allowed/have the right to be annoying
That is a fantastic perspective.
Yeah, the two are usually (though not always) correlated. Annoying adults have annoying kids that grow up to be annoying adults, and the cycle continues.
You’d be amazed how many people are not patient with that learning process. And they always cite the same caricature. Some dude told me he has issues with “kids at bars” and “candlelit dinners.” What the fuck is he even on about?
Listen, I just hate kids man. It’s probably my most consistent thing since I was a kid. Fuck kids. We should just be growing adults out of a vat, it’s 2025 for fucks sake.
I have met dozens of people who have told me they hate kids throughout my life, and they have without fail been the absolute worst. I get that kids can be irritating, but hate? fuck you.
I’m being hyperbolic, if the last bit about growing people out of a vat didn’t make that clear enough.
Yes. It feels like a specific kind of projection. Their subconscious reconfizes they were a shitty kid raised by a shitty parent and are still shitty people because of it and then paint that over every child because it’s what shitty people do.
Well this couldn’t be further from my truth but maybe other people are like that. I dunno. I also don’t actually hate kids, I thought my comment was evidently hyperbolic bu I guess not.
You do you but I don’t imagine that translates into you calling random people “shitty parents” when they disagree lol
because I think
Americans are generally very intolerant of kids in public spaces.kids running around and screaming in a restaurant is fine, actuallyDon’t go to other threads and lie about your conversations, dude, they’re public!
I was just having a “conversation” with this guy where really all he did was lie and call me names, and now all his replies to me are deleted. Looked at his profile and he has deleted literally every previous comment. I’m guessing he does this so people can’t see how much of a liar and bad-faith commenter he is.
Literally never said that. Don’t lie.
By the way this is the guy. He followed my into this thread.
Leave me alone.
Edit: yes I blocked you so you can save your breath.
I suggest you use the disengage rule.
Not a member of dbzer and I highly doubt a user who stalks my comments into other threads to harass me is going to respect it. I blocked them and am moving on.
Ok, just wanted to let you know it is an option when interacting with our users, even if you are not a db0 user.
Appreciate it. I’m going to stop responding now since I’m just getting downvoted no matter what I say.
Oh yeah you’re that dude who was commenting on my meme about kids being annoying in a restaurant. I didn’t feel the need to comment there because I had thought “person doesn’t realize that few people have problems with well behaved kids or understand that people know that kids OCCASIONALLY act out.”. But it looks like you’re doubling down.
First, did you see anyone complaining about kids on playgrounds? Play places at fast food restaurants? Public parks? No? That’s because those are places for kids to be running around. Restaurants where adults are trying to relax is not for kids to be running around. Full stop. There is no “but”. YOU need to teach your child that their actions affect those around them.
Secondly, YOU choose to have children and where you take them. If you take them to a place where you know they have the potential to inconvenience the people around them and they do, then you are inflicting them on others and that makes you a bad parent.
And lastly, I can’t even remember the amount of children who stayed at their table, where maybe a little louder than would be necessary but ultimately settled down, or were well behaved and well mannered. But I do remember that the parents of those children were usually well put together and maintained people who seemed to have control over their life. An unruly child who was running around the restaurant is usually a symptom and not the problem.
I didn’t see the meme, but–
YOU choose to have children and where you take them. If you take them to a place where you know they have the potential to inconvenience the people around them and they do, then you are inflicting them on others and that makes you a bad parent.
Maybe I’m missing something, but I kinda feel like that ignores the reality of how kids learn. They can’t be taught how to act at restaurants if they’re left at home for their entire childhood. We’ve got fairly well-behaved children, but it’s because they were a little bit crazy when they were younger and we disciplined them through the process. Particularly for neuro-spicy kids, they’re never going to be able to learn how to calm down unless you take them to those places, teach them how to act, and discipline them when they transgress those boundaries.
Yeah, it’s an inconvenience to others, but them being a minor inconvenience now so that they won’t be a major inconvenience when they’re adults is kind of the tradeoff you make in order to live in a reasonably well-adjusted society.
Now, if you’re talking about, like, a Michelin-starred restaurant with pristine tablecloths and no dollar signs on the menu, that’s one thing. People save up for months to have a single pleasant, quiet night at places like that, and parents need to find better ways/locations to train their kids. But if you mean Applebees or whatever, I kind of think the minor inconvenience now is worth the better-behaved adult the kids will turn into.
I think the annoying kids in restaurants stereotype we’re talking about are usually when the parents of the kids are ignoring the behavior rather than trying to teach their kids anything.
Your ideal scenario here is fine but 99% of the time when I’m super irritated at kids its because the parents are ignoring and/or downplaying the affect their kids have on other people.
Gotcha. Yeah, parents can definitely suck just as much as any other human (or, to be fair, they can just be exhausted or distracted). Though I will also note that in the cases where my kids have acted unexpectedly badly, it is notable to me that my usual nuclear threat (“we’ll just leave”) carries with it a financial penalty as well (now we have to pay for food we ordered but can’t eat), which adds an additional wrinkle to this problem; particularly for lower-income folks.
I do think that I usually have a lower tolerance for my kids’ behavior than most of the people around me do, so hopefully that’s part of what is on my side here.
You can train your kids at McDonalds. And while I’d acquiesce about Applebee’s, if alcohol is served, children shouldn’t be. Sure that may limit what you can do as a parent. But I’m sure the joys and triumphs of parenthood will outweigh the loss of having a beer while your child knocks into other customers at the restaurant.
You can train your kids at McDonalds.
Respectfully, no. That’s an entirely different scenario with entirely different norms, patterns, expectations, etc. A sit-down, table-service restaurant in a “boring” location with slow food is an entirely different experience than counter service at a fast food restaurant. You start with that, of course, but that’s definitely not where it can end.
Not to mention, there are no casual fast food places that serve vegetables. If you care about offering your kids any kind of healthy food, you have to go somewhere at least slightly more upmarket.
if alcohol is served, children shouldn’t be.
That excludes pretty much every restaurant that isn’t fast food. In some countries, that excludes even McDonald’s. It definitely excludes Applebee’s. It excludes Chuck E. Cheese, for crying out loud.
Maybe in the 90s that would’ve been a reasonable limitation, but that is far from the case today.
Sure that may limit what you can do as a parent.
Nah, I’m not worried about that even a little bit. I chose to be a parent, which means that I chose to accept certain limitations on my life while they’re still young. I don’t have any issue with that as a principle. Yes, parents are still human and should be able to exist independently of their children, and yes, some people didn’t choose to be parents (but had that choice made for them), but I don’t think that either situation is a large enough situation to be worth discussing here.
What I’m saying is that teaching and training has to happen in real situations. It doesn’t start there, no; you work on not throwing your food on the floor at home, you work on not shouting and screaming at the table at Grandma’s, you work on not running around the restaurant at McDonald’s. But once you have the basics down, you have to go out and actually work on them in the real world. That means a real restaurant, with waiters and other diners, where the food isn’t exactly what they want, and it takes “forever” to arrive. It has to be in the real world, or else it doesn’t work.
That means that your kids’ bad days are going to go out into the real world sometimes, too; and you won’t have any warning that they’re coming. They’ll just show up along with your basket of breadsticks at the pizza place, or they’ll be serving them alongside the General Tso’s chicken at the Chinese buffet.
At that point, you have three options: leave (probably not super feasible, you still have to pay for the meal and you still have to feed your kids and yourself), ignore them (this is clearly the type of parent you’re frustrated by, and I agree, but they’re far more exception than rule), or parent your way through it (which is honestly the whole point of this excursion). But the last one is the hardest, and runs the most risk of looking like ignoring if you have more than one kid and have to focus on them in turn.
I’m sure the joys and triumphs of parenthood will outweigh the loss of having a beer […]
Yeah, honestly, it does. Not all the time, but every time.
Man I just don’t care anymore. Believe what you want to believe. Have a good one.
I remember that one. It was a weird thread. We had people saying they let their kids poop on the floor, and others that only let their kids out of their cages for special occasions.
Of course, those were exaggerations of the extremes, but it got very heated.
The “poop on the floor” thing is unfortunately a reality of potty training but that shouldn’t happen in public spaces, nor have I ever heard or witnessed that lol
I would guess many people on here have done the research but have little experience with the actions necessary to conceive
Here’s a great response to any parent who gets the “You must be a shitty parent” line.
“And you ARE a shitty person”
Definitely. Only shitty people spend any time disparaging others. The self reflection required for them to understand that is the first step to not being a shitty person.
Being curmudgeonly used to carry social shame but that’s all disappeared along with the ignorant spreading their ignorance.
All symptoms of people who were never taught how to behave and haven’t taken the time to work the skill as an adult.
Any time any user comments the word “based” to the most normal and reasonable shit ever.
Based has lost all meaning.based
10BASE-T
Slides a $5 bill and smirks
Most people don’t even know what its supposed to mean
Yeah, i really just need to accept that at this point it means “lmao that’s crazy” or just “lol true”.
Shit bothers me tho.
I think it’s just become like a slightly edgy way of agreeing
That you should always keep your graphics card updated to the latest drivers, especially Nvidia
Windows or linux?
On linux I know that could cause lots of issues.
On windows I’m not aware of any reason not to keep the graphic drivers updated with nvidia.
That’s not that ridiculous. If you’re frequently playing new games at launch (probably a bad idea for different reasons), then latest drivers often contain optimizations and fixes for specific games.
I do out of habit and 99% of the time it has zero downsides and occasional positives. It only borked a game and required rolling back one time that I can remember.
I have a friend who is far more careful about doing their updates because they have frequent problems. Not sure why we have such different experiences.
Usually it’s hardware difference and compatibility between components. Small pieces with subtle variations and imperfect manufacturing often create unpredictable instability.
lol, I remember when I started playing No Man’s Sky, I made a post on reddit pointing out that more recent nvidia drivers fucked up the game’s framerate big time, like, if I was standing still and moved the mouse around, the framerate would tank. With a previous driver (416 or older), the whole game was butter smooth. I kept playing with that driver until the game had an update that forced you to have newer drivers. Performance was still shit.
I think there’s a limited number of optimizations that can be made and eventually some settings will conflict the old with the new at a fundamental level. And support for older or weaker hardware tends to get tossed to the wayside because it’s likely not the main money maker for them.
“Installing my driver” is a cultural relic from old Windows days where it wasn’t automatic; one needed a CD/Floppy or whatever to get your printer or ATI card working. It was good practice. Hence tons of “driver cleaner/updater” kind of shovelware exists to capitalize on that mindset.
…These days, Windows update (or the Arch/CachyOS package repos in my case) auto-update all my hardware with zero fuss. IDK why so many stray from that, unless they encounter a bug that was specifically fixed in an update.
Whatever driver Windows hands you for your nVidia/AMD card is likely to be hilariously out of date. If the driver it gives you is the one with the bug that’s bugging you, you won’t have a choice.
Aristotle was a professor wrestler who started a math cult that hated beans. He is best known for having developed the intercept theorem and diverting the Halys river.
So just a mix and match of partial truths about multiple Ancient Greek philosophers?
I know Plato was the first one and Pythagoras was the second. I don’t remember the other two though. What made it absurd was the sheer confidence it was delivered with.
It’s all true, but I can’t prove it
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In posts like this and elsewhere, commenters kept claiming the noun female to refer to a human is generally derogatory or offensive.
Someone wrote
Occasionally my partner does or says some things that remind me of the “manosphere” aka 4chan neckbeards.
A perfect example was that he sometimes says “females” when he means “women”. I explain that it’s not a swear word but it’s still derogatory. I explain why. Once I did, he understood and stopped doing it.
Despite abundant evidence here (search females), in classifieds, personals & online equivalents (eg, ads that limit eligibility to females), or text corpus searches revealing that the noun female referring to humans is often non-derogatory, so it all depends on the context, they’d insist that usage of the word itself is offensive, insulting, or disrespectful, and they wanted everyone taught to think that until it’s the generally accepted meaning. They didn’t seem to consider that promoting unconventionally sexist framings (ie, female is a dirty word) for wider adoption in our language serves sexists more than anything, and it might make more sense to resist that.
Outside of a purely descriptive term of the biological differences between the sexes, that is derogatory.
It is often used to dehumanize women, as the term is mostly used when talking about animals.
So you didn’t look at the
abundant evidence here (search females), in classifieds, personals & online equivalents (eg, ads that limit eligibility to females), or text corpus searches revealing that the noun female referring to humans is often non-derogatory
did you?
Why would I?
You cite no source for what you write as if it was fact.
The fact that you try to make it look like scientific language tells me that you actually know why the term is derogatory, and you doubling down makes me think you argue in bad faith.
Confirmed: couldn’t even search females in lemmy. Disregards common classified ads. Claims “bad faith”.
Searching random websites is anecdotal, not actual statistics
That applies to your counterclaim, only worse: as a generalization, your claim has a greater burden. Instead of indicating evidence for your general claim, you only asserted. I’ve indicated evidence exists & where it’s readily found. Refuting a generalization merely requires counterexamples.
The fact remains that counterexamples to your claim are common, which wouldn’t be expected if the conventional meaning were derogatory.
Here’s an example quoting a story in the news:
“What if I would have been armed,” she said. “You’re breaking in. What am I supposed to think? My initial thought was we were being robbed—that my daughters, being females, were being kidnapped. You have guns pointed in our faces. Can you just reprogram yourself and see us as humans, as women? A little bit of mercy. […]"
So your claim is that by referring to her daughters as females, this mother is insulting them?
While I might be able to argue in “bad faith”, the unsolicited speech productions of the community do not. Do you want more examples?
I see no link to a study or anything, so nothing new
