Actually, I’ve seen a compilation of plane crash last recordings, and literally all of them are pilots screaming at each other to maneuver and/or cursing at the top of their lungs.
What’s hilarious is proof that religious propaganda is wrong is always extremely easy to find. Yet your dipshit demented christian grandparents or parents will regurgitate that trash non-stop anyway.
That maxim, “There are no atheists in foxholes,” it’s not an argument against atheism — it’s an argument against foxholes.
- James K. Morrow
On the other hand, if you’re already on the battlefield…
Praying in that situation splits your attention from staying the fuck alive and is not recommended.
I’d personally prefer something more along the lines of a bear cave, I think 🤷
My favourite part is how people thank God for surviving a disaster. Like, your God put you there and you’re thanking it for saving you from the disaster it put you in? Lol
Yeah. “This violent tornado missed my home so close! Oh thank you, god!”
Noone ever asks why their god created the tornado in the first place. Not even the neighbor whose house has been obliterated. He’s probably thanking god for being alive. It’s bizarre.
I remember seeing an SUV that had this in vinyl on their back window (paraphrased, I don’t remember the exact wording): “RIP so-and-so - God cured his suffering and took him to Heaven.”
So, God either gets credit for killing the guy, or he gets credit for saving the guy. No matter what, God comes out as the good guy!
I have no idea how people live in this mindset.
It’s purely emotional, irrational thinking, solely serves the purpose of giving a weak mind an easy way to feel better about bad things that happen.
My mind doesn’t work that way, I can’t auto suggest myself out of logic - and to me, that kind of thinking is what is fundamentally wrong about this world. It makes people susceptible to all kinds of intellectual dishonesty.
If you can lie yourself into believing obvious bullshit just because it’s comfortable, you will also be easily influenced by liars, charlatans and demagogues.
I highly doubt that people like Trump would be possible In a predominantly atheist society with people who are used to scientific scepticism.
HiS wAyS aRe MyStErIoUs
Yeah. It’s like doctors ; they really love it when people thank God for saving a patient. Usually it’s the dumbass family but it’s really a special moment when it’s the dumbass patient themselves.
What’s our opinion on thanking God for blessing doctors with the talent to save your life/lives of others? A bit more empathetic?
(I’m not suggesting this is necessarily my belief, but for those who profess a love for God/Allah/etc, I think it is fair to both thank the creator they believe in as well as the people who work on them on earth).
It is always either “God works in mysterious ways” or “It was a test from God”.
I used to tell those types of people that gay, Trans etc was a test. Except it’s not the gay and trans people being tested. And they failed.
it’s like removing the tariffs to reduce grocery prices
That’s what is called codependency
They probably blame the devil for putting them in the situation.
“it” is crazy work lmao
I heard one black box where the pilot’s final words were just a very resigned, almost conversational, “Goddamnit.”
I heard one where the pilot exclaimed “we’re doing it!” [or something similar] as he managed to fly the 747 inverted, seconds before hitting the ocean.
Please give me the sauce. I need more information on this
It’s in one of Mayday episodes, I can’t remember which one but it’s likely easy to find if you search for that.
It seems like it should be Alaska Air flight 261. But I can’t find the source on the saying. Maybe I dreamed it!
Strong chance my final words will be “Oh shoot, shoooot.” Even tho I swear like a sailor, if it’s really bad, I go for clean language.
Ok it’s funny but black box doesn’t record audio from the cabin. Pretty sure it just has like flight data. From the airplane sensors. And logs of actions. ?
That’s what satanic media wants you to think. But actually, everyone on a plane has a microphone and all the audio goes directly to the big black cube in the middle, to be recorded and stored forever.
They ask you to stow the tray if something happens because the microphone is on the underside of the tray and hears you better that way
that makes sense
That plus pilots’ mics.
“Black box” usually refers to both the Flight Data Recorder and the Cockpit Voice Recorder as a nebulous whole - some FDRs are also configured to record pilot mics as well but that’s not standard.
One Dot = One Prayer
Either prayers don’t work, or they make god super duper angry.
Ever read the Bible? God is a sadistic, genocidal monster. He probably laughs at plane crashes.
I have never prayed to god and I’ve never been in a plane crash.
I am constantly praying to god, and I’ve never been in a plane crash. Checkmate atheists!
Yeah if you account for all the wank sessions you were broadcasting to your creator, the reason you’re still alive is either proof of there not being a god, or a very perverted one.
You Have Wank Hastily
I say “jesus christ” about a lot of things. Does that count as praying?
I think that’s actually a sin
Nope, that’s not taking his name in vain. No matter how much the christian busy bodies would have you believe. That particular idea is about shit like the prosperity gospel or christian nationalists.
I had understood it to mean, like, making an oath (“I swear to God…” or the whole hand-on-a-Bible swearing) and not following through, or making it lightly.
Jesus had a whole thing about it, saying that not only should you not make an oath in God’s name lightly, but that you shouldn’t at all (implying it shouldn’t be necessary, if you’re already an honest person). “Let your yes be yes, and your no be no.”
Which, honestly, makes way more sense than some nonsense about not saying their names.
Jesus has already forgiven me.
Is that the Biblical Jesus, or just some Hispanic dude?
Since it has the same effect, it might as well.
I occasionally pray to aliens and I’ve never been in any kind of crash
I have never prayed to Sam Jackson and I’ve only been on one plane that I saw a snake on.
Is this supposed to make me believe in God? As if people who die in a plane crash know more about the universe than me somehow? Does falling really fast instill some ancient forgotten knowledge in you?
I’ve gone bungie jumping; no revelations, just adrenaline.
Fallen out of trees; sudden stop hurts like fuck.
Jumped into water from at least 10m; wet, fun.
Other drops at various speed and landings. No ancient forgotten knowledge acquired.
All data I’ve collected personally indicates you do not get revelations at less than a 50m drop.
Note: not peer reviewed, sample size small, subject survived all falls with no more than minor injuries.
I think you may have missed the bottom text
To me, the logic is similar to "I can PROVE God exists. Look at the way this banana fits in my hand… "
I did not think you were going to say hand lol
So this person believes their god wants people to be in fear and panic, begging for their lives, and to die anyway? Thats so fucked up.
Christian God is a narcissist and will burn you for eternity for not praising him properly. This is nothing new.
God breaks his own rules in the ten commandments. God tells us not to be jealous of our neighbors while describing himself as a jealous god.
While true, christians have been sidestepping that one, and others like it, for longer than our civilization has been a nascent idea. They just say the laws that apply to man don’t apply to god. It’s not even that difficult of a conclusion. See: God causes a crack in the earth to swallow up an entire family because they sinned? A-ok. Can a man kill someone and their family because they sinned? Nope, have to follow the laws about it, written in some book called leshitticus or something, idk.
God acting as an executioner for crimes he’s supposed to judge seems not as bad as God just straight up being like “yeah folks, I’m jealous and petty! But also perfect! But you better not be jealous and petty!”
That’s why “Christian morality is objective” and “God is all good” are mutually exclusive statements.
God so loved his creation that they would condemn to hellfire every child born into slavery who never has a chance to experience or express a single ounce of religious agency, much less participate in the requisite Christian salvation pageantry!
Her pain is God’s love!
Technically, the 10 commandments tell believers not to be envious. Not to envy your neighbor’s stuff.
Envy is “I wish I had what someone else has.”
Jealousy is “I’m worried someone else will take what should be mine.”
(Though in modern English “jealous” has largely absorbed the meaning for “envious,” I think the distinction is worth making because both concepts are individually useful.)
Since the first commandment is “you shall have no other gods before me,” God being “a jealous God” fits the 10 commandments well.
Not that this refutes your argument or anything but they’re not sidestepping it. It’s an example of “rules for thee not for me”. As far as they’re concerned capital G od is above men and as it’s his right to impose rules that apply only to those beneath him.
You can see it in their politics, Christians support the top down model and don’t believe those in positions of authority should be held accountable in the same way as the “common” man. UNLESS, they represent an opposing ideological stance.
If anything, the thing you should use as an example of God’s hypocrisy is that he sicks Satan (who is subservient to God) on humanity… as a flex?
Politically that’s be like the DNC being subservient to the Republican party and being used to piss off a bunch…wait (This is a joke… kinda)
Oh I know, it’s not meant to be the one true argument to destroy anyone’s belief in god. But yeah the entire story of Job is just so fucked up. God literally puts Job through so much suffering just because of a pissing match with the devil.
The real lesson of all those old testimate stories is that God doesn’t care about your life, only your soul. Take from that what you will
Tbf, of all the fucked up shit and inconsistency in the bible, this one isn’t really a thing. The tenth commandment uses a different word (covet) and has a different context than in the “jealous god” used earlier.
The tenth commandment is very structured around “wanting shit that isn’t yours.” Because God (canonically) is the rightful owner of all things, he cannot be covetous
The tenth commandment uses a different word (covet) and has a different context than in the “jealous god” used earlier.
Since the Bible wasn’t originally written in English, could that be simply something lost in translation, tho?
The words are different in Hebrew, too. There’s pretty substantial debate on how exactly to translate the jealous god part, but that’s largely to do with how “abusive husband” the translator wants to make him sound.
Yes, that’s straight up how the Abrahamic God is described in scripture
wants people to be in fear and panic, begging for their lives
Ha, sounds live the average CEO. That, and if whatever someone prays for shows up, it’s because they made it happen. And if it doesn’t show up, it’s because the praying person didn’t put in enough effort.
The Abrahamic God in its most popular forms is exactly that. It’s poor, ignorant person’s idea of a powerful ruler.
Not necessarily. Perhaps God is killing these people because they had not been adequately fearful in their everyday lives, and had failed to provide sufficient lamentations for God’s satisfaction. He might be willing to let you live if you cower and whimper in anticipation of his wrath.
god pls no
What’s so fucked up about human sacrifice? Gods have been demanding them all the time.
According to the most recent studies, it turns out the name of God is
“AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH”
Allan?
Imagine how shocked the world would be if it turns out the Arabic word for God comes from a black box recording that got swung back in time after a plane crash, with the last bit of the recording being stuck…
that last bit of recording? copilot waking up right before the crash, calling out to the pilot called Allan, but halfway through the word it turns into a scream. All-AAAAAAAH! BOOM.
And the whole world is just stuck on this otherwise insignificant fact. Never mind that someone just dug up carbon-dated 2000-ish year old contemporary technology, proving time travel is possible, or that people 2000-ish years ago managed to somehow make that tech work enough to influence the third largest language in a very significant manner… No, it’s the fact that the Arabic word for God came from a guy named Allan.
I like to think that a small learjet carrying 12 passengers passes through a time portal, and when the captain steps out onto that Tigris plain, he winces at the sun and says “Jesus Christ!” and the people bowed
See that wouldn’t really work. The modern “Jesus” is actually quite far from the original old Hebrew/Aramaic name he would’ve used.
No, it would’ve been Yeshua or Yehoshua (the Bible has some shifting references as to when the longer form of the name might’ve gotten shortened to Yeshua).
Similarly, “Christ” isn’t something used in Aramaic. It’s not even technically his name, it’s more of a title, from the Greek Χριστός (Christos, translating as "anointed), which in Hebrew would be mashiakh - or in direct English translation… Messiah.
Furthermore Yeshua was a quite common name at the time, in Nazareth alone you would’ve found a handful, even though the village was maybe a thousand people at the time.
So, modernized, Joshua Messiah
Joshuah the Messiah/Anointed, yes.
إن شاء الله
Heretic! There is only one true god and its name is SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT
There is a missing L
deleted by creator
To be a party pooper, according to the old testament it’s JHWH or in long, Jehovah.
Nope, “Jehovah” is a latinization. “Yahweh”/“YHWH” is a more accurate rendering.
But in the Latin alphabet, Jehova begins with an I.
“I have no evidence for any of this but I know in my heart it’s true!”
Sums up all major religions in one sentence.
These facts don’t align with my feelz.
“I don’t know it for a fact… I just know that it’s true”.
This mfer has never heard of selection bias.
What are the bets they’re in the US, and hearing about crashes mostly in the US?
Christianity may be the largest religion in the world, but it’s a plurality, not a majority.
There’s a bias for everything. Maybe even one that contradicts the bias you’re precipitating. I dunno. Whatever
I dunno, seems pretty rock solid that the majority of people aren’t praying to the Christian god [edit: worldwide, which is my point], seeing as nowhere even close to a majority of people on earth are Christian.
There are all sorts of religions out there, and many who don’t believe in religion at all.
I do agree that all humans are prone to bias, that’s why it’s so important to be aware of it in order to mitigate it.
The OOP making some stupid religious claims, definitely is not aware.
Same for the other side. All the countless times where God miraculously saves the plane in the last moment lost to history. No news report, no one will check the black box. It’s just another Tuesday
Surely if it was a miracle there’d be some supernatural residue left over. Holy ectoplasm.
The absence of evidence isn’t evidence of absence
There’s a complete absence of evidence for everything you can just make up.
I claim that the universe was created by Ralph the Wonderllama who lives on Proxima Centauri B and who owns all albums by Simply Red.
But hey, no evidence of absence, right? So my claim is valid, right? And you suddenly don’t care how unlikely it is, right?
I claim that the universe was created by Ralph the Wonderllama who lives on Proxima Centauri B and who owns all albums by Simply Red.
And I respect that belief
Yeah but respect isn’t proof, and you’re the one that made the assertion requiring evidence here…
And I respect that you are critical of what I said! We need critics to grow. A critical mind is a gift of God
Isnt it though? If i say i own a car but never carry car keys, my home has no garage or on-street parking spot, that is evidence that i dont own a car.
There are also the records in countries that have vehicle registration…
Yes, but absence of evidence isn’t evidence for anything.
It’s wild how many need to find them some scientific method.
I was only pointing out, in my original comment, that I’m sure around the world people pray/say all sorts of things when a plane is crashing, not just the Christian god. But because they’re only focusing on crashes in the US, they are concluding that everyone prays to god (presumably, the Christian one).
Wow thats deep
(dunno if you’re being sarcastic)
It’s just a twee catchphrase christians came up with to say you can’t prove a negative. It’s not anything new, and it’s not actually contributing anything. It’s a core aspect of “burden of proof”, and this is just a way of shifting said burden to the people asking for evidence of the divine instead of leaving it on the people asserting that the divine exists in the first place.
Thanks.
so you didn’t know which god saved them either. It could be the flying spaghetti monster. (note the existence of this religion is literally based on your statement)
so you didn’t know which god saved them either.
Neither do you.
note the existence of this religion is literally based on your statement
That’s demonstrably false. I made my statement yesterday and religions exist for way over 70 years. Destroyed by pure logic. Checkmate atheist.
If you want to know what really starts religions, check out Daniel O. McClellan’s book “YHWH divine images” chapter 2. You find the PDF for free just by searching the title.
Neither do you.
Yes, but importantly you can’t demonstrate that it was a god that saved them. We’ll deal with the issue of which one it was once we get past that first problem.
That’s demonstrably false.
Er… Well, this seems like a great opportunity for you to prove that. Though I suspect you misunderstood the initial comment here.
why is this being downvoted
It’s because they missed the point of my comment. That it’s selection bias to claim that everyone is praying to the Christian god, when statistically, that can’t be true, even if they are praying.
The selection bias had nothing to do with selecting the planes that crashed, but selecting planes that crashed in the US, which is a much more Christian country than many other places.
- I don’t even believe OOP’s premise. There might be a majority with prayers at the end but I don’t think it’s every single one.
- I think they only care about the US. It’s not selection bias but ignorance about the rest of the world.
That said, OOP’s argument wasn’t that their god is real but that deep down, everyone is religious. Still they made it into a truth claim about their religion. The commenter took the truth claim and ran with it.
I thought about putting “/s” in my first comment but it didn’t feel quite right. It was more a thought experiment. Applying selection bias to the reply. It was only the second comment when I entered troll mode.
Applying selection bias to the reply
Insert inception bwwwwaoww
Because there is no magic sky magician letting kids die a gruesome leukemia death, while saving a specific plane because a special favorite person of his happens to be on board the aircraft. There’s just physics and mechanics and pilots and things going right and things going wrong.
The comment is obviously sarcasm / a joke
Making the sarcastic statement that “we don’t hear about god saving planes at the last moment but it does happen”
That person has gone on to repeatedly double down on the position elsewhere in the comments, I’m afraid to say the hivemind was right on this one and they sure appear to be a whackdoodle that actually believes what they said there.
Because of Poe’s Law. Sometimes I try to make my intentions obvious but sometimes I just don’t care
Did you mean Poe’s Law? That would imply you only made the claim about divine selection bias sarcastically, and we all just thought you were being serious.
Did you mean Poe’s Law?
I meant what I said and I said Poe’s Law. I don’t understand your question.
And I didn’t mean that god selects. I meant that we only talk about those who crash. It was a thought experiment
A sarcastic thought experiment, then?
Yes, a large percentage of the population is religious, that doesn’t make their religion true
“Are all our prayers answered? Yes, they are. What people who ask that question often don’t realize is that sometimes the answer to our prayer is “no.” Dear God, please make my mother not be crazy. God’s answer: no. Dear God, please let me recover from cancer. God’s answer: no. Dear God, please take away this toothache. God’s answer: alright, but you’re going to be run over by a car.”
-Christopher Durang
Sister Mary Ignatius Explains It All For You
What’s the difference between “no” and no answer?
Well, she clearly states that God never gives no answer. You see, God is omniscient. He knows what you have prayed for and you, by knowing that he is omniscient, know that He knows. Thus, if you don’t get what you have prayed for then you can safely assume, despite God not explicitly stating as such, that His answer is no.
Lazy worldbuilding be like.
Which leads us to asking how can you tell the difference between God answering and things that would have happened anyway…
