Another banger from the NYT editorial board. How do we know? Out of 435 house elections, 16 were won by Democrats in districts that voted for Trump or Republicans in districts that voted for Harris. Almost 4%! Centrism’s still got it! https://archive.is/sUJGh

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    I wish the US had real partisans, then they could machine gun shitty columnists like this for being collaborators.

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    What the liberal establishment fails to understand is that I don’t care about winning, or who wins, or if they win. Winning is not the goal. The goal is healthcare and housing and food and not having the value of my labor stolen. Winning has nothing to do with any of that.

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      The goal is healthcare and housing and food and not having the value of my labor stolen.

      This is called winning. Stop this libbery

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            All the time? In cities and states and counties and federally. All the time. And then they don’t do shit with it. Where the fuck is all this lib shit coming from?

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              Lib shit is when you pretend there is no enemy, and the fight is, what, magically manifesting good things because noone’s ever thought of it

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                I know who my enemies are, they’re the ones who fight to keep me from having healthcare and food and housing. I’m surprised you’re defending them

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                  I’m surprised you’re defending them

                  Really really odd you’re being like this. I’m not defending libs at all. But getting healthcare comes at the expense of capitalists who fight tooth and nail to prevent it, so much so that they recruit others by fomenting identity hatred. When you get healthcare, you win and they lose.

                  I’m going against this idea that you can simply the class war will resolve itself in a favorable manner without having to win it and maintain the discipline to win. It’s more effective to know you’ll need to fight to achieve your ambitions.

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    I’ll take the “How Fascism is Implemented” for 500 Alex

    [this article]

    What is: the Overton window?

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    Articles like this really expose the complete desert of imagination of liberalism. There is no political project here, no sense of morality, no end goal. Just a vague, “the data says to win elections you need to do x y z” and that’s where it ends. No values, no backbone.

    That’s why it’s a failed project, and why it will continue to fail, no matter how many Democrats are in office.

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    One way to see the pattern is to examine the 17 Democrats — 13 in the House, four in the Senate — who last year won in places that Mr. Trump also won.

    Shit definition of a swing state/district. No accounting for districts with a lean Kamala win, nor historical trends of districts. Absolute cherry picking.

    They claim that reaching out to swing voters is overrated and that the better strategy involves turning out the base by running pure, ideological campaigns. They are wrong

    Winning a swing district is not the same thing as winning swing voters. Typically those results are indicative of who did a better job of turning out their base, not who did a better job of appealing to squishy centrists. Likewise,

    Polls in 2024 showed that most voters considered their policy views to be closer to Mr. Trump’s than to Kamala Harris’s

    Doesn’t account for the policy views of those who decided to stay home in 2024.

    Even Mr. Trump highlights the pattern. Extreme as he is in many ways, he moved the Republican Party toward the center on several key issues.

    Oh fuck off, in any other context they would not be calling him a centrist.

    Rather than locating itself midway between the two parties, this new centrism promises sweeping change while criticizing the two parties as out of touch.

    Wait a second, socialists promise sweeping change and criticize both parties as out of touch ARE WE THE CENTRISTS!?

    Seriously though, this speaks to a larger problem here that their definition of “centrist” is entirely vibes-based. They present centrists as being pro-capitalist and anti-regulation but also wanting to reign in corporate power and enact class-based economic equity.

    Georgia and Wisconsin have offered recent case studies. In Georgia, Raphael Warnock and Stacey Abrams

    Oh god, Stacey Abrams is their idea of a leftist.

    Finally, ctrl-F “Palestine” 0 results what a fucking surprise.

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    The article seems to think that because Americans are fundamentally brain wormed ridden monsters that they only way to get them to vote for Dems is to run right down the middle on every issue. Voter’s say they hate Trump’s immigration policy, but they also thought Joe Biden was too lax and let millions of illegals into the country. Well one of those is flatly wrong so maybe as the media you should try not pushing republican talking points?

    Further they cite Americans want transpeople to be respected, but don’t want trans girls playing sports with girls. A thing that famously has happened like 3 times as the trans girls always perform incredibly mid. Again, New York Times, maybe try to counter lies rather than just accepting them and then wondering why half the country has the weirdest views possible.

    Why do they not like this from trump but always do want the same thing? Because your average American watches shitty tv news and reads the new York Times or worse.

    So they are lied to about everything under the sun, and cannot form a coherent political thought. Rather than trying to fix this by educating people, the Democrats only choice is obviously to try to turn themselves into a pretzel to appeal to these brain worm riddling ghouls. And then even the most moderate of moderates kamala fucking Harris isn’t enough for the new York Times. Like what fucking progressive policy did she run on?? I’ll wait.