• t3rmit3@beehaw.org
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    17 days ago

    I will reserve judgement until I see precisely who he intends to replace them with.

    His adoption by a lot of centrist Dems, and his absorption and placement as DNC Vice Chair makes me wonder if he’s just the Centrist Dems’ vehicle to remain the top influence in the party by replacing old Centrists with young Centrists.

    Edit: To clarify for anyone else who is confused, I really hope he does what he says he will! We need lots more young progressives.

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      Makes perfect sense. After all:

      • We can’t support the Democrats until they get better on Gaza
      • We can’t support the people who want to improve the Democrats until they don’t have the support of “centrist” Democrats and thus demonstrate their cred <- You are here
      • We can’t support the independents like Bernie Sanders until they stop being “sheepdogs” or whatever
      • We can’t support the et cetera you get the idea

      Bottom line, we can’t support anything on the left. It’s better to just let the right wing (or the conservative/corporate wing of the Democrats or et cetera) win whatever contests, until we all go to El Salvador.

      Got it. I completely agree with you. This is totally sensible.

      /s

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        Centrist Dems are half the reason we have Trump. Don’t try to frame this as some anti-Left thing, this is about milquetoast, feckless neolibs who have and still do spend enormous effort preventing the party from actually aligning with its voting base.

        If he’s not that, I support him fully! But until I see that, I’m not going to celebrate just because he’s young.

        But go off with your ad hominems! They sure worked this past election to cajole support. /s

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          Centrist Dems are half the reason we have Trump.

          More than half, I’d say. That’s precisely one reason I think it’s weird that you’re coming out against someone who wants to get rid of them.

          Don’t try to frame this as some anti-Left thing

          I mean, this guy’s left, and you’re anti- him. Sounds like it is an anti-left thing. Again, that’s actually what irritated me about your message.

          this is about milquetoast, feckless neolibs who have and still do spend enormous effort preventing the party from actually aligning with its voting base.

          Absolutely.

          If he’s not that, I support him fully!

          Yeah. If he’s not a child molester, then I support him fully too! Isn’t that a weird way to frame things?

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            this guy’s left, and you’re anti- him

            What part of “reserve judgement” do you not understand?

            If he’s not a child molester, then I support him fully too! Isn’t that a weird way to frame things?

            It wouldn’t be if he was the Vice Chair of an org that had historically been run by child molesters, as the DNC has and is run by Centrist Neolibs.

            If he is not a neolib, he would be the exception to a very longstanding precedent of DNC leadership, so I think it’s a very fair question to pose, especially right when Sanders and AOC are making news as they are.

            The DNC leadership is not going to go down without swinging, and I fully expect them to try to co-opt Progressivism as a label and redefine it rightwards. Like I said, if he’s not that, and throws his weight behind established Progressives or better, awesome!

            But I will heavily scrutinize anyone that any DNC leader is backing; we don’t need any more Fettermans or Sinemas, even if it’s just a post-election “conversion” to the Center.