• axont [she/her, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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    I’ve always been torn about Hitler’s portrayal in this game. For one I appreciate he’s shown as a gross delusional doofus who pisses in front of people and has melted brain syndrome. He’s depicted as deeply unhappy and unwell even though the Nazis have won and conquered Earth, the moon, and Venus. The core of Nazi ideology is a very sick weird man who has no idea where he even is and lacks the capacity to enjoy his victory.

    But at the same time it felt a little wasted. He only appears in one cutscene and is largely irrelevant to the plot. It’s one little funny haha scene where Hitler could have easily been any other Nazi. I can only assume this is so the game could get released in places like Germany where they scrub the Nazi references soemhow. Some kind of law about how video games aren’t considered artistic under German law and thus don’t have the right to depict swastikas, Hitler, etc. I believe he’s not Hitler in the German version, just some weird movie guy.

    I mean if you show Hitler in a Wolfenstein game the player should get to kill him. It doesn’t even need to be a boss fight like in some of the older Wolfenstein games. Just let me throw a hatchet into him, come on. BJ has had a shitty life and he deserves to kill Hitler.

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      If you show Hitler in any video game, killing him or directly causing his death should be an option available to the player. Generally speaking, if I’m playing a game with Nazis in it, I’m doing that in order to kill Nazis, so yeah, let me kill Hitler in that context. It won’t actually solve the present rise of fascism, but it’ll damn sure make me feel better for a few hours.

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        If there’s a dog in a video game you should be able to pet it. If there’s a hitler in a video game you should be able to kill it.

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          That’s what I’m saying!

          If there’s a cat or a dog, you should be able to pet it, boop the snoot, and give it a belly rub. If there’s a bear, live or teddy, you should be able to hug it and scritch behind the ears.

          And if there’s a Hitler, a Mussolini, or any other fascist figurehead, you should be able to kill it. Ideally in an extremely violent manner, or with multiple options open to you. Because dead fascists = good clean fun.

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        I haven’t played this one but that seems like a weird thing to have happen. I seem to remember BJ being the kind of action hero who can kill three mechs before breakfast and still consider it a slow day.

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          The “Zitadelle” mechs in wolf 2 are tough. You’re unarmed in that section so you can infiltrate the base - BJ is disguised as an actor for that bit so it makes sense. I’d definitely die if dropped into that section in gameplay - no armor or weapons, a 2 story explosive slinging mech standing a couple feet away…

          Got the vague sense that they might’ve wanted to use Hitler as a plot element for a sequel so you couldn’t actually kill him there

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      I was really disappointed by how the Venusian surface sections played in that game. Yeah I know it was just a silly shooter but they made like zero effort to make Venus feel like Venus. Just put on a helmet or something, that’ll do I guess. Oh yeah and your guns will work fine too at 464C and 92 times the surface pressure of Earth

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        same. i’m kind of obsessed with alien planetary environments and exoplanets (born too early, wish I was a sapient von neuman probe)

        should be like walking on the ocean floor combined with thermal haze. everything in slow motion and inevitable heat buildup. i know there’s magic alloys that probably get stronger at higher pressures in game

        you would basically need a full powered exoskeleton diving suit and firearms would have to be mini guided torpedoes. you are swimming in supercritical CO2

        if I designed that level, i would have the surface dotted with giant heat exchangers that climb high into the atmosphere which you have to plug your suit into every 10 minutes to dump waste heat

        and with a successful torpedo penetration on an enemy i want to see them implode into a burst of glowing organic matter and melting polymers, like a much hotter Cyclops sub implosion

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          It was especially disappointing since the moon base level from New Order was one of the coolest parts of that game and I think they did a pretty decent job with the moon walk sections. The Venus stuff from New Colossus just felt like a lazy rehash

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            yeah i loved the moon base level. the audio design was great (just sounds transmitted through your suit) and it was fun hopping around and rapidly adapting to low-G combat

            i almost wished it lasted longer but it was probably just enough to not get stale