The war is going great. dean-smile

Yet another horrifying scene which would be plastered all over network news if only it were happening in Russia instead.

It’s not “authoritarianism” if it’s happening in a US ally (or puppet).

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        Not learning anything.

        Apart from the fact that all of your assumptions - like how Russia has supposedly been kidnapping and not returning children - have been wrong.

        It’s very obvious that you are just buying into yet another series of ‘Iraq has WMDs’ lies with no critical thinking involved, and that you think that your colonial genocidal empire is somehow the ‘good guys’ when they try to bring weapons and personnel to other countries borders in order to coerce them into doing your bidding.

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          So how many are actually missing. Did Ukraine provide a complete initial list of only 300 or are there any unaccounted individuals? Are they all reunited? Not knowing this is a problem.

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            Nice goalpost movement. Here’s what you originally said:

            Not like that, they are removing children from their parents en mass. So different genocide.

            You have already learned that Russia has not been doing that, and has been returning children to their families, so your attempts to pretend that you have not been learning anything are not going to work.
            The insinuation that Russia has supposedly been deliberately separating families by kidnapping children is yet to even be substantiated, and, considering that you have been shown to be ignorant of basic facts about the topic, we can conclude that you simply bought into ‘Iraq has WMDs’-style nonsense.

            Also, it’s quite rich to complain about Russia separating families by kidnapping family members when Ukraine has been doing exactly that, on video.

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              So where is the full list of children? Did they maintain one?

              https://www.euronews.com/2025/08/08/stolen-children-marketplace-russia-creates-catalogue-of-ukrainian-kids-for-adoption

              Is this the only list? If they are returning some, but not all, or providing a way for families to be reunited, they have still separated families and abducted children.

              And yes, conscripted adults are different from abducted minors.

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                So where is the full list of children?

                Firstly, where is the full list of children that NATO has kidnapped (and we know that they have, in various parts of the world)? Weirdly enough, you have never been preoccupied with your empire doing heinous stuff, but you jump at the opportunity to manufacture the 'Iraq has WMDs` consent.
                Secondly, not sure how that is relevant in the first place. Your claims have already been refuted and you have learned that your assumptions have been wrong.
                Thirdly, according to Ukraine, the list is about 350 names long.

                https://www.euronews.com/2025/08/08/stolen-children-marketplace-russia-creates-catalogue-of-ukrainian-kids-for-adoption

                Haha.
                This piece of blatantly racist propaganda is rather silly.

                If they are returning some, but not all, or providing a way for families to be reunited, they have still separated families and abducted children.

                It’s cute how you are trying to portray not leaving children in war zones as ‘abducting’ them, and also keep pushing the claim that Russia doesn’t provide a way for them to be reunited with family when it has already been sourced that Russia does return these children.

                And yes, conscripted adults are different from abducted minors.

                ‘It’s okay to abduct Ukrainians and force them to die for my genocidal colonial empire, so long as they are adults, and it is somehow not okay to evacuate children from war zones or to allow children left without parents to be adopted’.

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                  There’s this subtext in your posts that seem to indicate you don’t believe Ukrainians have the right to self determination, and that not providing the parents, relatives and communities these children are from a method to locate them or repatriate them is somehow acceptable, or their method is business as usual.

                  https://meduza.io/feature/2024/03/11/oni-mogut-nachat-protivodeystvovat

                  Referring this

                  https://childrenofwar.gov.ua/

                  If you are going to claim that the initial list of confirmed abductees was the whole list and this expanded list somehow doesn’t count, sure.

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                    There’s this subtext in your posts that seem to indicate you don’t believe Ukrainians have the right to self determination

                    Firstly, you very clearly oppose the self-determination of most of the world and think that you engaging in invasions, terror attacks, and genocides against those countries is perfectly okay.
                    Secondly, the ‘self-determination’ to join the nazi Axis or NATO or the pre-NATO European empires in their atrocities against humanity is not something that reasonable people respect or support.
                    Thirdly, the fact that you care more about the ‘self-determination’ of the ruling class of Ukraine to literally subvert the desire of their population for peace and for not being kidnapped off the streets by the Ukrainian military over people’s lives and livelihoods just betrays that your sole position here is ‘whatever my CIA handler tells me to believe, I believe’.

                    and that not providing the parents, relatives and communities these children are from a method to locate them or repatriate them

                    Again, this is a fantasy of yours, as the children have been getting repatriated.

                    https://meduza.io/feature/2024/03/11/oni-mogut-nachat-protivodeystvovat

                    Hahaha.
                    Imagine seriously linking Meduza - a propaganda organisation known to be funded by NATO - in this day and age.

                    If you are going to claim that the initial list of confirmed abductees was the whole list and this expanded list somehow doesn’t count, sure.

                    Well, the government of Ukraine can’t produce a list of more than 350 names, so take an issue with them. I literally didn’t even dispute the list that your favourite nazi state made.

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              Also funny, Russia is conscripting parents AND abducting children. So if we are comparing, they are worse not the same.

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                Russia is conscripting parents

                Are you referring to the standard conscription that doesn’t involve ambushing people in the streets and kidnapping them, with conscripts usually not going to war zones, unless they consent to do so in writing?

                AND abducting children

                As we have established, this is just fiction, and you have no basis for these claims.

                So if we are comparing, they are worse not the same.

                Ukraine has been trying to join the genocidal colonial empire of NATO to rob the rest of the world. Russia has not been doing this since at least more than a decade ago. That alone makes Russia (and all of the non-NATO lapdog states) better than Ukraine.