The war is going great. dean-smile

Yet another horrifying scene which would be plastered all over network news if only it were happening in Russia instead.

It’s not “authoritarianism” if it’s happening in a US ally (or puppet).

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    There’s this subtext in your posts that seem to indicate you don’t believe Ukrainians have the right to self determination

    Firstly, you very clearly oppose the self-determination of most of the world and think that you engaging in invasions, terror attacks, and genocides against those countries is perfectly okay.
    Secondly, the ‘self-determination’ to join the nazi Axis or NATO or the pre-NATO European empires in their atrocities against humanity is not something that reasonable people respect or support.
    Thirdly, the fact that you care more about the ‘self-determination’ of the ruling class of Ukraine to literally subvert the desire of their population for peace and for not being kidnapped off the streets by the Ukrainian military over people’s lives and livelihoods just betrays that your sole position here is ‘whatever my CIA handler tells me to believe, I believe’.

    and that not providing the parents, relatives and communities these children are from a method to locate them or repatriate them

    Again, this is a fantasy of yours, as the children have been getting repatriated.

    https://meduza.io/feature/2024/03/11/oni-mogut-nachat-protivodeystvovat

    Hahaha.
    Imagine seriously linking Meduza - a propaganda organisation known to be funded by NATO - in this day and age.

    If you are going to claim that the initial list of confirmed abductees was the whole list and this expanded list somehow doesn’t count, sure.

    Well, the government of Ukraine can’t produce a list of more than 350 names, so take an issue with them. I literally didn’t even dispute the list that your favourite nazi state made.

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      Alright, your argument of your opinion is right and my opinion is wrong has been noted.

      The government has a searchable list of missing children that is referenced in the article. You conveniently ignore facts. You have the link right in front of you.

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        Alright, your argument of your opinion is right and my opinion is wrong has been noted.

        It has also been noted that:

        • You have engaged in propaganda in favour of the genocidal empire that is also the most prolific invader in the world.
        • You have refused to even acknowledge the fact that you engaged in obvious goalpost movement.

        The government has a searchable list of missing children that is referenced in the article.

        Ok? And?

        You conveniently ignore facts.

        Any examples of such ‘facts’?

        Notably, I can point to you ignoring such facts as

        • Russia has been engaging in repatriation of the children that you claim to not be getting repatriated.
        • NATO tried to put weapons and military personnel near Russia’s most populated areas in order to at the very least harass Russia. Russia - like every other country/state in the world - has every right to defend against NATO’s aggression.

        You have the link right in front of you.

        You have literally linked to Meduza as somehow a trustworthy source. That alone shows that you shouldn’t be taken seriously.

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          NATO tried to put weapons and military personnel near Russia

          Near, as in another country wanted to join NATO. Do they not get a choice? No, because Russia cries? Does Russia rule the world? Who’s engaging in imperialism again?

          Invading another country isn’t defending. Up isn’t down.

          The goalpost is, there are abducted children. If they returned some, do they get a pass on the rest?

          My government information is unreliable, while your other government information is reliable, as you stated.

          This is pretty simple man.

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            Near, as in another country wanted to join NATO.

            he-admit-it

            Now, are you literally going to claim that wanting to join the gang of genocidal colonial tormentors of the world to invade and rob said rest of the world is good and should not be opposed?

            Do they not get a choice?

            Choosing to join nazi Germany/NATO/the US and the like is the same sort of ‘choice’ as choosing to kill, rob, and torture your neighbours and other people. Do the neighbours and other people not get a choice to defend themselves?

            No, because Russia cries? Does Russia rule the world?

            So, let’s get this straight, you think that it would be okay for me to come to visit you and your entire extended family, rob, torture, and kill you, and if somebody were to accuse me of wrongdoing I could retort with ‘Do I not get a choice? No, because Bane_Killgrind would cry? Do they rule the world?’

            Who’s engaging in imperialism again?

            NATO is engaging in at least one high-profile genocide, has literal colonies, keeps the vast majority of the world as neo-colonies, literally controls the CFA (‘colonial frank’) currency, is the most prolific invader in the world.
            Your argument is literally that other countries get no right to self-determination and no right to self-defense against that.

            Invading another country isn’t defending. Up isn’t down.

            Then maybe NATO should stop doing that. And it should not have tried to attack Russia.

            The goalpost is, there are abducted children.

            As has been established, this is not the entirety of your original claim, where you also asserted that Russia was conducting a genocide (which has been established to not be taking place), and that Russia has not been repatriating children (which has also been established to not be true). You have failed to substantiate your claim that Russia has been abducting children. And no, evacuating civilians is not abduction.

            If they returned some, do they get a pass on the rest?

            Your claim was that none were being returned. You are going to keep inventing fiction to justify painting Russia as the villain in this, while painting Bandera worshippers and invaders of Iraq as the ‘good guys’.
            So far, it seems that Russia has not been proven guilty in this case, and has been evacuating and repatriating children.

            My government information is unreliable, while your other government information is reliable, as you stated.

            I did not state that, nor do I think so. I don’t take what the Russian government says seriously, either.
            You, on the other hand, hold the position of ‘the people who told me that Iraq had WMDs and had to be invaded and tortured for that never lie, while their designated enemies are always perfidious’.

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              Idgaf about the US. The Ukrainians are the ones I believe.

              Invasion is not defence.

              Mutual aid is not aggression.

              Idgaf what you say, you can choose your own meanings for words and outside of your in-group, you are going to be viewed as unhinged, and unreasonable.

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                Idgaf about the US.

                You fully support the US and its glorified provinces that are the rest of NATO.
                What you are actually saying here is ‘I’m going to selectively forget about what is happening in order to make yet another “Iraq has WMDs” narrative believable’.

                The Ukrainians are the ones I believe.

                The Ukrainians don’t want to be abducted from the streets by the Ukrainian military, and they want for their government to engage in peace negotiations.
                Either way, the desires of the population of nazi Germany/NATO/etc. have less priority over the needs of the rest of the world on account of your empire being the aggressor.

                By the way, Ukraine has invaded at least Iraq and Syria, and you are completely fine with that.

                Invasion is not defence.

                Then you should stop invading everywhere.

                Mutual aid is not aggression.

                Performing coups, genocides, maintaining colonialism, etc. - the things that your empire keeps doing and the things that the rest of the world has every right to defend against - is aggression.
                Also, mutual aid between genocidaires is also aggression.

                Idgaf what you say

                You never did care about truth. You want to keep your head in the sand and maintain the fantasy built up by your fuhrers.
                You want to believe that all of your invasions and genocides and torture are completely fine, because it’s okay when you do it, and you want to believe that the rest of the world resisting you is somehow bad.

                you can choose your own meanings for words and outside of your in-group, you are going to be viewed as unhinged, and unreasonable.

                My in-group is the people who do not support genocides and colonialism.
                Your in-group are the people who think that NATO can attack everybody and resisting that is bad.

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                  Cry more man. Nato didn’t attack Russia from Ukraine. Ukraine didn’t attack Russia.

                  Ukrainians don’t want to be Russian. That’s why that territory is separate, with their own government. Neither do Lithuanians, Latvians, Armenians etc.

                  Distinct people, with their own language.

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                    Cry more man.

                    Haha.
                    This reeks of ‘I’m not owned, I’m not owned’ corncob stuff.

                    Nato didn’t attack Russia from Ukraine.

                    It did, but even if we ignore that part of reality for a second, NATO did attempt to. The rest of the world has every right to defend itself from your genocidal empire, and you don’t get to dictate the rest of the world how to defend against you.

                    Ukraine didn’t attack Russia.

                    Yeah, it did. Relevant attacks include both terror attacks and war crimes.

                    Ukrainians don’t want to be Russian.

                    Ok. And the rest of the world doesn’t want to be attacked by NATO.
                    Not sure why you even mentioned that, considering that Russia never demanded that, but even aside from that the needs of the populations of nazi Germany/NATO/etc. do not at all outweigh the right of the rest of the world to defend itself against you.

                    That’s why that territory is separate, with their own government.

                    That’s a pretty silly oversimplification. The reasons for this are a bit more complicated and numerious, including wars between Poland and the Russian Tsardom/the Russian Empire that contributed to the Ukrainian ethnogenesis, the Bolsheviks creating the Ukrainian SSR, the destruction of the USSR by pro-NATO forces that later took over the remnants, etc.
                    Either way, this is irrelevant, as the desires of the populations of nazi Germany/NATO and other genocidal polities do not outweigh the right to self-defence of the rest of the world.

                    Neither do Lithuanians, Latvians, Armenians etc.

                    Imagine bringing Lithuania and Latvia into this as ‘the good guys’ while engaging in these nationalist theatrics.

                    Distinct people, with their own language.

                    Who want to rob and commit genocides against the rest of the world, and who must be stopped.