The war is going great. dean-smile

Yet another horrifying scene which would be plastered all over network news if only it were happening in Russia instead.

It’s not “authoritarianism” if it’s happening in a US ally (or puppet).

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    So where is the full list of children? Did they maintain one?

    https://www.euronews.com/2025/08/08/stolen-children-marketplace-russia-creates-catalogue-of-ukrainian-kids-for-adoption

    Is this the only list? If they are returning some, but not all, or providing a way for families to be reunited, they have still separated families and abducted children.

    And yes, conscripted adults are different from abducted minors.

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      So where is the full list of children?

      Firstly, where is the full list of children that NATO has kidnapped (and we know that they have, in various parts of the world)? Weirdly enough, you have never been preoccupied with your empire doing heinous stuff, but you jump at the opportunity to manufacture the 'Iraq has WMDs` consent.
      Secondly, not sure how that is relevant in the first place. Your claims have already been refuted and you have learned that your assumptions have been wrong.
      Thirdly, according to Ukraine, the list is about 350 names long.

      https://www.euronews.com/2025/08/08/stolen-children-marketplace-russia-creates-catalogue-of-ukrainian-kids-for-adoption

      Haha.
      This piece of blatantly racist propaganda is rather silly.

      If they are returning some, but not all, or providing a way for families to be reunited, they have still separated families and abducted children.

      It’s cute how you are trying to portray not leaving children in war zones as ‘abducting’ them, and also keep pushing the claim that Russia doesn’t provide a way for them to be reunited with family when it has already been sourced that Russia does return these children.

      And yes, conscripted adults are different from abducted minors.

      ‘It’s okay to abduct Ukrainians and force them to die for my genocidal colonial empire, so long as they are adults, and it is somehow not okay to evacuate children from war zones or to allow children left without parents to be adopted’.

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        There’s this subtext in your posts that seem to indicate you don’t believe Ukrainians have the right to self determination, and that not providing the parents, relatives and communities these children are from a method to locate them or repatriate them is somehow acceptable, or their method is business as usual.

        https://meduza.io/feature/2024/03/11/oni-mogut-nachat-protivodeystvovat

        Referring this

        https://childrenofwar.gov.ua/

        If you are going to claim that the initial list of confirmed abductees was the whole list and this expanded list somehow doesn’t count, sure.

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          There’s this subtext in your posts that seem to indicate you don’t believe Ukrainians have the right to self determination

          Firstly, you very clearly oppose the self-determination of most of the world and think that you engaging in invasions, terror attacks, and genocides against those countries is perfectly okay.
          Secondly, the ‘self-determination’ to join the nazi Axis or NATO or the pre-NATO European empires in their atrocities against humanity is not something that reasonable people respect or support.
          Thirdly, the fact that you care more about the ‘self-determination’ of the ruling class of Ukraine to literally subvert the desire of their population for peace and for not being kidnapped off the streets by the Ukrainian military over people’s lives and livelihoods just betrays that your sole position here is ‘whatever my CIA handler tells me to believe, I believe’.

          and that not providing the parents, relatives and communities these children are from a method to locate them or repatriate them

          Again, this is a fantasy of yours, as the children have been getting repatriated.

          https://meduza.io/feature/2024/03/11/oni-mogut-nachat-protivodeystvovat

          Hahaha.
          Imagine seriously linking Meduza - a propaganda organisation known to be funded by NATO - in this day and age.

          If you are going to claim that the initial list of confirmed abductees was the whole list and this expanded list somehow doesn’t count, sure.

          Well, the government of Ukraine can’t produce a list of more than 350 names, so take an issue with them. I literally didn’t even dispute the list that your favourite nazi state made.

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            Alright, your argument of your opinion is right and my opinion is wrong has been noted.

            The government has a searchable list of missing children that is referenced in the article. You conveniently ignore facts. You have the link right in front of you.

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              Alright, your argument of your opinion is right and my opinion is wrong has been noted.

              It has also been noted that:

              • You have engaged in propaganda in favour of the genocidal empire that is also the most prolific invader in the world.
              • You have refused to even acknowledge the fact that you engaged in obvious goalpost movement.

              The government has a searchable list of missing children that is referenced in the article.

              Ok? And?

              You conveniently ignore facts.

              Any examples of such ‘facts’?

              Notably, I can point to you ignoring such facts as

              • Russia has been engaging in repatriation of the children that you claim to not be getting repatriated.
              • NATO tried to put weapons and military personnel near Russia’s most populated areas in order to at the very least harass Russia. Russia - like every other country/state in the world - has every right to defend against NATO’s aggression.

              You have the link right in front of you.

              You have literally linked to Meduza as somehow a trustworthy source. That alone shows that you shouldn’t be taken seriously.

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                NATO tried to put weapons and military personnel near Russia

                Near, as in another country wanted to join NATO. Do they not get a choice? No, because Russia cries? Does Russia rule the world? Who’s engaging in imperialism again?

                Invading another country isn’t defending. Up isn’t down.

                The goalpost is, there are abducted children. If they returned some, do they get a pass on the rest?

                My government information is unreliable, while your other government information is reliable, as you stated.

                This is pretty simple man.

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                  Near, as in another country wanted to join NATO.

                  he-admit-it

                  Now, are you literally going to claim that wanting to join the gang of genocidal colonial tormentors of the world to invade and rob said rest of the world is good and should not be opposed?

                  Do they not get a choice?

                  Choosing to join nazi Germany/NATO/the US and the like is the same sort of ‘choice’ as choosing to kill, rob, and torture your neighbours and other people. Do the neighbours and other people not get a choice to defend themselves?

                  No, because Russia cries? Does Russia rule the world?

                  So, let’s get this straight, you think that it would be okay for me to come to visit you and your entire extended family, rob, torture, and kill you, and if somebody were to accuse me of wrongdoing I could retort with ‘Do I not get a choice? No, because Bane_Killgrind would cry? Do they rule the world?’

                  Who’s engaging in imperialism again?

                  NATO is engaging in at least one high-profile genocide, has literal colonies, keeps the vast majority of the world as neo-colonies, literally controls the CFA (‘colonial frank’) currency, is the most prolific invader in the world.
                  Your argument is literally that other countries get no right to self-determination and no right to self-defense against that.

                  Invading another country isn’t defending. Up isn’t down.

                  Then maybe NATO should stop doing that. And it should not have tried to attack Russia.

                  The goalpost is, there are abducted children.

                  As has been established, this is not the entirety of your original claim, where you also asserted that Russia was conducting a genocide (which has been established to not be taking place), and that Russia has not been repatriating children (which has also been established to not be true). You have failed to substantiate your claim that Russia has been abducting children. And no, evacuating civilians is not abduction.

                  If they returned some, do they get a pass on the rest?

                  Your claim was that none were being returned. You are going to keep inventing fiction to justify painting Russia as the villain in this, while painting Bandera worshippers and invaders of Iraq as the ‘good guys’.
                  So far, it seems that Russia has not been proven guilty in this case, and has been evacuating and repatriating children.

                  My government information is unreliable, while your other government information is reliable, as you stated.

                  I did not state that, nor do I think so. I don’t take what the Russian government says seriously, either.
                  You, on the other hand, hold the position of ‘the people who told me that Iraq had WMDs and had to be invaded and tortured for that never lie, while their designated enemies are always perfidious’.

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                    Idgaf about the US. The Ukrainians are the ones I believe.

                    Invasion is not defence.

                    Mutual aid is not aggression.

                    Idgaf what you say, you can choose your own meanings for words and outside of your in-group, you are going to be viewed as unhinged, and unreasonable.