Summary
Trump’s support among Latinos has plummeted as he nears his first 100 days in office, with many saying they feel betrayed by the scope of his policies, particularly immigration enforcement.
Almost three in four Latinos (72%) now disapprove of the way Trump is handling his job as president.
Many Venezuelans, for example, have been impacted by the decision to revoke their Temporary Protected Status (TPS).
“Today, I feel the same way I felt in Venezuela— that they’re going to come take me somewhere I won’t be able to escape from.” “This is completely different from what I thought it was going to be.”
Unfortunately a lot of the latino vote comes from the religious, macho, and anti-liberal attitudes they hold. Lots of them are catholic, and even if the republicans are absolutely full of shit when it comes to being “Christian”, their propaganda claiming they are has been very effective. The latter two are in a way perversely tied together. They like macho “strong man” leaders, but unfortunately there are a lot of latin/hispanic countries run by strong man leaders claiming to be liberal leftists that are nothing more than tyrants and authoritarians that wreck their countries. So they vote anti-liberal, associating liberal with tyrants, while supporting yet another “strong man” fascist that will fuck the country up.
*I am not latin, however I worked in a latin country and have worked with several latin/hispanic people and learned what I could about their country, culture and politics, and this is how it was explained to me.
Now I’m not an American and definitely not a Latino, but I’ve heard there’s a huge amount of Latinos who hate Latinos and want them all to stay out of the country (I.e fuck you, got mine), which is part of why they vote republican. Also all the Cuban refugees who really hate Cuba so they also vote republican just to make sure democrats don’t ease the sanctions on Cuba - which are of course making life hard for people who have not yet escaped Cuba. Hell I bet without the sanctions a lot of people wouldn’t be leaving it in the first place.
If all that is true, honestly, this is a peak leopards eating faces moment.
Also, foreign language propaganda from Republicans claiming democrats are socialists/communists (the kind that ruined Cuba, et Al), aimed at immigrants
Hate is a strong word, and it’s a bit more nuanced than that. There is an internalized hostility that comes from the colonial era, where the way to climb the social ladder was by taking actions to seem more white. Like changing your name, converting, marrying a whiter* person, etc. These changes often explicitly implied rejecting whatever you were before. Anything indigenous was deemed as less than and less worthy than European stuff and therefore bad and to be abandoned.
And this is where this Hispanic on Hispanic hostility comes from. There is this idea that it is “better” to be on the side of privilege and those below are seen as a threat I.e. (the whites might notice you are not that white if they see you hanging out with those more connected to their roots).
This distinction is important because it comes not from blind-hate but from intergenerational trauma, as a defense mechanism.
A lot of modern day Latinos discovered what ttheir ancestors discovered a long time ago: They don’t see all the colors you see. The only see non-white.
Was the follow-up question: “are you fucking stupid?”
The fact that any of them voted for him is astounding. Did they not listen to a single word from his mouth about hordes of immigrants watering down the blood of America? Did they not see him drag a Hispanic celebrity (Nicky Jam) on stage, only to reveal, before the entire audience that he had no idea who they were, and in fact thought they were a hot woman?
Like a bunch of turkeys counting down the days to Christmas.
Doesn’t really matter what they think of him now, they’ll be in an El Salvador concentration camp by the time the next election comes round.
Oh darn! If only somebody had warned them about what would happen…
While I upvoted you, and we absolutely did tell them that. Many of them through no fault of their own weren’t reached by the message. And that’s something we need to figure out how to fix. Because with the consolidation of media and AI, this is only going to get worse.
Patting ourselves on the back about being right. Will only comfort us so much, when our lack of reach etc. Continues to haunt us
Sticking your head in the sand and/or choosing to only watch extremely partisan news is indeed “fault of their own”. If they can’t be informed enough to make good decisions, perhaps they should simply refrain from voting altogether.
That’s an extreme misrepresentation. By being here, you’re an exception. And you’re judging them based on that. And this is the exact issue. They aren’t choosing anything. Options like Lemmy etc simply aren’t present to them. And that’s the issue.
You found it, and that’s great. Now figure out how to help normal people find it. And not driving them away.
I don’t think that’s an extreme misrepresentation. Trump himself told them exactly what he was going to do, so there was certainly at least some amount of head-burrying-in-sand going on. The main message that was present on Lemmy but not in legacy media was that “Yes, he is in fact going to do what he says he will.”
There were two possibilities: either you thought he was a doddering idiot that wasn’t going to follow through on anything he said, in which case why in the nine hells would you choose him as your president? Or, he was going to do exactly what he said, in which case, why in the nine hells would you choose him as your president?
The problem is that most of the people who voted for him were being selectively optimistic about what he would and wouldn’t do. They let him be everything to everyone, and just hand-waved the glaring problems away.
I don’t know how you can fix this massive self delusion issue without fixing education and teaching people to think critically, but education has been under attack for nearly as long as I can recall in the US.
That said, I agree this whole “I told you so” attitude isn’t particularly useful, it certainly is cathartic, though.
Trump says vague shit all the time. Which that is a prime example of. He wasn’t specific. But he did not say it in a vacuum either. The mass media did a lot to sane wash it. To imply that it wasn’t as sweeping or horrific as it would actually be. And people believed them.
The mass media does not treat him as a fascistic man child narcissist. They shower him with undo respect and restraint. Thinking in some misguided Nevil Chamberlain sense, that appeasement will save them. Though to be fair plenty of them feel like they are in on it as well.
To deny that this is the case, that mass media has not failed us, that their failings to be informed are all on them and no one else. Is to dismiss them with the same touch that conservatives dismiss the poor the underserved and minorities. Simply by assuming they all have the exact same access and opportunity that we do. They don’t. Don’t be like conservatives and fascists. Yes people absolutely do need to do more to educate themselves. But we absolutely need to make it clear and easier to find proper sources to do that from and encourage them to do that.
When you make assumptions based on your personal experience you’ve already lost the debate.
Democracy is a system of government by the people, for the people, of the people.
But the people are idiots.
Osho
I mean, what did they expect?
“I expected to be the exception! I’m one of the good ones! It wasn’t supposed to happen to me.”
“Latinos” learning that thinking you’re “white” isn’t the same as having white privilege.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/nov/01/election-trump-latino-vote-paola-ramos
The question is, will voters learn from this? Will they understand that when the president and his crew are straight up Nazis – and congressional republicans do nothing to stop them because they support a Nazi agenda – that the whole Republican party is now a Nazi party?
There won’t be any “reasonable” Republicans to vote for going forword; they are all Nazis now.
will voters learn from this?
History says no.
I used to live in a heavily Hispanic area, and I can tell you there absolutely will be nothing learned from any of it.
Cause any Republican attacks against Hispanics were always hand-waved away with some variant of “Of course, they’re talking about (insert Hispanic group the speaker hates), not about the good ones like (insert Hispanic group the speaker belongs to). If it wasnt for (hated group) fucking it all up things would be better for all of us!”
Republicans don’t make such distinctions, to Republicans all Hispanics are just Mexicans.
Which is how the leopards facial feast was laid out.
“His whole life has consisted of nothing but lying, backstabbing, betrayal and treason. Who could have ever imagined he’d keep doing that?”
I’m just so entirely unsympathetic to absolutely any minority who voted for the overt racist. Like, genuinely, holy fuck, you are genuinely not allowed to be surprised by his racism. It is now, and always was, one of his primary features.
And I have a special tier of bafflement towards the handful of Arab-American communities in the upper Midwest that apparently voted for him, and are now shocked that his policies are way worse than the absolutely horrible and myopic policies of Biden. Genuinely: How in the ever loving fuck are you surprised by that? He tried to ban any non-Saudi Muslims from coming into the country in his first term. How are you possibly surprised. HOW.
But the leopard promised so many great things. I mean, sure, the leopard DID say outright that he would eat my face, but I thought surely he’d never eat MY face.
I remember some footage of a Latino Trump supporter giving a black woman shit in Trump’s name, and wondering what the ever loving fuck. A variation on Hitler’s rise to power is how many figurative Jews threw their full support behind him this time. I don’t get it. I’ll never get it. I’m sick of his stupid fucking face.
I live in Colombia. People here self-identify as “white,” and they’re surprised that white people in the US think of them as a different race.
Then double their shock - a significant amount of those white people in the US will think your race is “Mexican.” Never mind that you’re not Mexican, have never been to Mexico, and that “Mexican” isn’t even a race.
Logic doesn’t matter in their argument. You speak Spanish? You must be Mexican. End of story.
If you voted Trump as a Latino, that’s a special sort of stupid.
The thing is RELIGION. Most Latinx people are religious and more specifically Catholics. Abrahamic religions are extremely misogynistic and homophobic. All Trump had to do was show how much he hates women and the LGBTQ+ community and a lot of Latinx were willing to ignore his racism because they thought Trump would help them punch down on women and gay people. They thought they would avoid getting their faces eaten by the leopard by offing the faces of others in sacrifice to the leopard.
It sure sucks when a leopard eats your face.
“This is completely different from what I thought it was going to be.”
Huh. This is exactly what I thought it was going to be.
And also what he literally said every time.
Latinos who voted for Trump deserve everything they get: Trump’s "comedian* openly spat in their faces with Trump’s full support and they still voted for him.
Pendejos…Pochos
