• Ibuthyr@lemmy.wtfEnglish
      2·
      2 days ago

      Just like how they can’t see kids when they’re peeling off their driveway.

  • shadowtofu@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
    22·
    2 days ago

    Someone in my city did this. Their car blocked the tram. The tram company ordered taxis for all passengers, and the car owner had to foot the bill.

        • Yeather@lemmy.caEnglish
          3·
          2 days ago

          Brightline is Florida’s highspeed rail line between Orlando (Theme Parks) and Miami. It opened recently and has destroyed many cars and trucks that sit at stoplights on the train tracks.

          • Test_Tickles@lemmy.worldEnglish
            2·
            2 days ago

            Me and the wife like to drive down from Tallahassee real early so we can spend the entire day riding the Brightline. They got a special car for those of us that buy the all-day passes. Its like tailgating at the ball game, people bring their coolers and sometimes a small grill. We always have a couple spotters watching for cars on the track ahead of us. If the cars linger on the track too long then we all start the war chant. It started out as BL! BL! BL! SMASH!, but now it has kind of morphed into BALLER! BALLER! BALLER! SMASH!
            It’s like driving in a demolition derby but at like 125 mph and you don’t have to spend any time or money getting a hoopty running.

        • conditional_soup@lemm.eeEnglish
          1·
          2 days ago

          Not only that, but Brightline helpfully disassembles the offending vehicle so that any parts that are damaged in the move can easily be identified along the debris field.

    • rabber@lemmy.caEnglish
      41·
      2 days ago

      Did the offender actually pay the bill? Did the tram company have to sue to get the money? Do you have a news article?

      • The_Caretaker@urbanists.social
        10·
        2 days ago

        @rabber @shadowtofu
        Tram company makes money by moving people. When the tram line stops moving, they lose money by the minute. 1000 Euros per minute plus the standard fee for a parking ticket seems fair. That should make the driver pay attention in the future.

        • mac@lemm.eeEnglish
          51·
          2 days ago

          I mean I’m all for fining them but there’s no chance they’re getting 1000 euro/min lol

          • Decq@lemmy.worldEnglish
            1·
            2 days ago

            It’s a network. It not just the people in that tram. But all trams on that line and all people connecting through that line that are effected. And that specific track might actually run multiple lines as well. Depending on the country they might be applicable for an reimbursement fee. And lets not start about all the costs the passengers might incur… So €1000/min seems fine for me for this shit head

          • The_Caretaker@urbanists.social
            1·
            2 days ago

            @mac Get found to be intentionally delaying a train in Japan and they bill you a huge amount of money. Not just for the train you delayed, it’s also all the trains on the line behind it that also get delayed. 1000 Euros a minute seem reasonable considering the lost money for the tram company and the lost time of thousands of riders. Plus reduced reputation for the reliability and punctuality of the service causes incalculable loss to the train / tram company.

            • null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
              0·
              2 days ago

              I’m not going to defend this ridiculous vehicle and the extremely poor parking but there’s just no way a court would award 1,000 euros a minute.

              It’s an absurd number you just picked that seems commensurate with everyone’s hatred for these cars.

              Intentionally delaying a train is not analogous to parking your car on a tramway. Intent is important. Also a train might contain several hundred passengers while a tram might have a few dozen at most.

              The reduced reputation as a result of this happenstance will be infinitesimals. No judge would award losses for reputation over this.

  • atro_city@fedia.io
    141·
    2 days ago

    These cars should be banned in Europe. If your car doesn’t fit into a parking spot, it’s too big.

      • the_q@lemm.eeEnglish
        7·
        2 days ago

        How else are they gonna haul their 3 bags of groceries AND own the libs?

    • psud@aussie.zoneEnglish
      4·
      2 days ago

      Owners of such cars should be required to take extra training about where they can operate them, restricting them like large commercial vehicles (which these try to be)

      Let them have them; don’t let them drive them in tight urban areas, don’t let them park in parking places that can’t fit them

      Australia is much like America with places designed for motor vehicles. So American light trucks fit here, but many of our carparks do not allow vehicles longer than 5m to enter

        • Ilovethebomb@lemm.eeEnglish
          1·
          2 days ago

          A brand new Ford Transit Custom is just over 5m, there’s probably a few station wagons that are the same.

      • Treczoks@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1·
        2 days ago

        One of the many points that prevent cybertrucks from European roads is actually the requirement for a commercial truckers licence to operate it.

    • Oyml@lemmy.worldEnglish
      5·
      2 days ago

      They don’t even fit in the parking spaces in the United States. I don’t know how many times I’ve had to sit in the parking lot for 10 minutes waiting for some dipshit to figure out how to maneuver his monster vehicle into or out of a space.

      • neclimdul@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1·
        2 days ago

        Guess it depends on how you live. I’m over here like “how do you have spots that don’t fit trucks? Every other car on the road is that size”

        Context, I live in Texas.

        Also also, I’ve been to the Netherlands and those spots in towns are tight fits for a normal car. Even a large full size German sedan probably wouldn’t fit. But that’s fine because almost everyone parks outside of town and uses public transportation or walks or bikes. You basically can’t drive around in town. This truck driver is just an idiot.

        • Treczoks@lemmy.worldEnglish
          1·
          2 days ago

          Second that. I drive a Seat Alhambra, and parking in Rotterdam is a pain in the whatever. We have turned to leave the car on the hotel parking lot and use the tram, which, incidentally, seems to be the only vehicle the cyclists actually respect, even when they basically ignore all signs and traffic lights.

        • BullishUtensil@lemmy.worldEnglish
          0·
          2 days ago

          Not so sure about that, given that I’m pretty sure there’s a full sized Mercedes in the back row, and what to me looks like a Volvo in the middle slot, facing the camera.

          • Ronno@feddit.nlEnglish
            1·
            2 days ago

            I’m all for banning pick-up trucks, but @neclimdul has a point. The Mercedes you point at in the back row is literally the smallest Mercedes (A-class) and the Volvo in front row is an older full-sized wagon, which isn’t big in todays standards. A “full size” today, is definitely closer to 5m or even a little over (BMW 5-series). A mid-sized like a C class or 3-series is 4,80. Cars have grown a lot over the years!

            But where @neclimdul makes a good point, if you take the largest sedans manufacturers offer, they won’t fit the spot either. For instance: Mercedes S-class is 5,20m long (for the regular version).

            Still, the pick-up trucks like pictured are way bigger, for reference a RAM is 5,80m. So in this example, if we’d parked a Mercedes S-class in the same spot, it will cross the line as well, but the tram would still have enough clearance to pass.

    • bitwolf@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      1·
      2 days ago

      They say everything is bigger in Texas. Apparently not the parking spaces. These ugly trucks don’t even fit in parking lots.

    • null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      0·
      2 days ago

      Yeah this is the thing.

      If someone can make a case for actually needing the capabilities of this vehicle… fine. That doesn’t mean you can just park wherever you want and complain that the bays are too small though.

    • Ilovethebomb@lemm.eeEnglish
      11·
      2 days ago

      They’re not a car, they’re a truck, and can do things no passenger vehicle can do.

      Trying to park a light truck in the middle of a city is entirely on the driver though.

      • Ibuthyr@lemmy.wtfEnglish
        0·
        2 days ago

        The space in the back is smaller than the trunk a station wagon usually has. So all they can do is tow something, which any run off the mill SUV can also do. For the vast majority of actual work, we tend to use Sprinters in Europe. These trucks are completely useless here.

  • KoboldCoterie@pawb.socialEnglish
    9·
    3 days ago

    “This is why we don’t need #US #cars in #Europe”

    We don’t need this shit in the US, either. I hope that tram just rammed the fucker.

    • superkret@feddit.orgOPEnglish
      6·
      3 days ago

      I hope the city seized the truck, auctioned it off, and fined the owner for littering.

      • JubilantJaguar@lemmy.worldEnglish
        4·
        3 days ago

        In Estonia, at your second speeding drunk-driving violation they confiscate your vehicle - and if it’s an SUV they send it to Ukraine.

        For backstory, see latest episode of the podcast The Urbanist Agenda.

        • huppakee@lemm.eeEnglish
          2·
          3 days ago

          I heard this was if you get caught for drunk driving the second time, they stepped up their game damn.

          • JubilantJaguar@lemmy.worldEnglish
            1·
            3 days ago

            You’re right, I meant drunk driving, not speeding.

            But some countries take speeding pretty seriously too (as they should). In Norway you get a short jail spell for something like a 30kmh excess. In Switzerland the fines are adjusted for income so that rich speeders pay more - one guy paid over €1 million! Same system in Finland too, I believe.

            • huppakee@lemm.eeEnglish
              1·
              3 days ago

              Speeding and drink driving play a big part in traffic deaths and also the cost of fixing all the people who do survive is totally preventable so I am all for it. Progressive fines sound very fair too, misbehaving companies in some cases also pay a percentage of their profit so why not citizens as well.

              • andros_rex@lemmy.worldEnglish
                0·
                2 days ago

                My wealthy ex’s family would just pay the tickets, so he never learned.

                I’d beg him not to go 40 in school zones.

    • techt@lemmy.worldEnglish
      2·
      3 days ago

      I know we’re being hyperbolic here but hard disagree – how awful would that be for everyone on-board? And absolutely not worth the damage to public infrastructure. There’s an established procedure for dealing with blockages, and I hope that process irreparably damages the truck and results in a hefty fine for the owner

        • techt@lemmy.worldEnglish
          2·
          2 days ago

          Yeah exactly. Even in jest I loathe this unquestioned impulse to punish the offender without any thought to collateral. This driver’s primary offense is being oblivious to their impact on others – what message is sent if the reaction is just as oblivious?

          Okay I’m done policing morals.

  • huppakee@lemm.eeEnglish
    5·
    3 days ago

    This is 100% illegal, even if there was no tram rails. City would toe tow this car if they were quick enough to respond too.

  • Rooskie91@discuss.onlineEnglish
    4·
    3 days ago

    This looks like a show down.

    Tram be like:

    "You’re big because the single person inside you is insecure.

    I’m big because there are 100 people inside me.

    We are not the same."

  • Phoenixz@lemmy.caEnglish
    2·
    3 days ago

    Oh come on Netherlands, you’re better than this, simply declare these vehicles not road worthy as they are not road worthy. Just give owners 6 months to get rid of their dumpster trucks and then prohibit them on public roads and we’re done

    • MisterFrog@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1·
      2 days ago

      Or you can do what the idiots at Standards Australia proposed (no news yet on if they’re actually gonna do it).

      https://www.standards.org.au/news/revised-standard-recommends-larger-parking-bays-across-the-country

      Luckily practically all the feedback in the 3.5 weeks the gave for feedback (suspicious, much?) was “This is dumb, just make standards on maximum vehicle sizes better”

      We are captured by the fossil fuel/car industry though, no doubt about it.

      I hate that US style vehicles are becoming more popular here too. We gotta ban that shit ASAP.

      • redwattlebird@lemmings.worldEnglish
        1·
        2 days ago

        Standards Australia is a mega rort. There are so many things that should change - such as making all standards viewable by the public to check for non compliance.

        Totally agree with the feedback. Reduce and enforce maximum vehicle sizes or class the yank tanks as trucks.

  • DJKJuicy@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    0·
    3 days ago

    So what will the authorities in the Netherlands do in this situation? Put a ticket on it and then wait for the owner to move it? Tow it to an impound lot? Flip it and light it on fire?

    Whatever size the vehicle, you can’t block the tracks…