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-Fred Hampton was a black activist from Chicago – an extraordinary speaker, youth organizer for the NAACP.
-He joined the Black Panthers and shone so brightly that he was made chair of the Chicago chapter when he was only 20.
-He founded the Rainbow Coalition, which brought together Black and Latino activists and radical anti-poverty Catholics. He forged an alliance among major Chicago street gangs to help them make peace and work for social change.
-In 1967, when he was just 19, Hampton was identified by the FBI as a “radical threat.” The FBI tried to subvert his activities in Chicago, sowing disinformation to get the groups he’d drawn together to distrust each other, and getting an FBI plant next to him as a bodyguard.
-(This is part of an illegal FBI program called COINTELPRO, which aimed to paint black civil rights activists (among others) as violent and threatening. If you’ve only seen pictures of the Black Panthers as armed and dangerous revolutionaries, and never heard of their children’s breakfast program, their community health clinics, or their “copwatch” patrols, this is why. It’s because COINTELPRO was a highly successful work of political propaganda.)
-On December 3, 1969, Hampton taught a political education course at a local church, and then several Panthers gathered at his apartment for a late dinner. One of them was the FBI plant bodyguard, who drugged Hampton.
-At 4:45 AM on December 4, a squad of Chicago Police officers and FBI agents with a warrant to search for weapons stormed the apartment. Investigations later showed they fired between 90 and 99 times. The Panther on security detail, Mark Clark, was holding a shotgun. He was shot, and the gun went off into the ceiling. This was the only shot fired by the Panthers.
-Fred Hampton, in another room, didn’t awaken. He was shot in his bed. Twice, in the head, at point-blank range. He was 21.
-Four weeks after witnessing Hampton’s death, his finance Deborah Johnson gave birth to their son, Fred Hampton Jr. That’s him in the photograph, visiting the grave of a father who died before he was born. A resting place riddled with bullets.
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If it weren’t for the Black Panthers there wouldn’t be meal programs in public schools. The BP “Free Breakfast for Children” program was so popular and so effective at raising awareness and popularity for the BP party that the government became paranoid that they were constructing an effective “fifth column”. All of the sudden states started passing laws creating food programs for public schools in order to undermine their message.
Nothing good happens in this country unless the rich are scared. The same thing applied to the New Deal.
If all you know about Fred Hampton is that decades after his death, cops still fear him this much, you know what a great man he was.
I understand what you mean but I don’t think this comes from a place of “fear.”
I think it does. Cops were terrified of Hampton. They had to have him drugged before they were brave enough to storm in and murder him in his sleep. Remember how scared Dorner made cops?
Dorner was a soldier whereas Hampton was an activist.
Fred Hampton absolutely blurred the line between soldier and activist. Honestly, what is more scary: one soldier or an activist who is building an army?
The soldier when it comes to an actual fight.
Agree to disagree I guess.
No one who shoots this today is thinking about any of that.
There is fear imprinted in their “cop DNA”.
Rofl. Yeah… that’s it, you’ve solved it.
Edit: You people understand their bullets mean waaaaay more than your online hot takes right?
Hate comes from fear.
Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.
Suffering is yet to come
He obviously still has a hold over them mentally. If that isn’t power I don’t know what is.
Yea. Why would they fear him? He’s a dead man, not an acorn.
Fred Hampton is the acorn pigs fear most. the tree he grows will end their existence
ACAB
The only time republicans were for gun control. When black people took up arms in self defense.
The first time I heard about the Tulsa race riots it blew my mind that it wasn’t common teaching in schools.
White folk told black people to gtfo and go build their own town, so they did and it prospered while the white towns went to shit. So of course the racists are like “we gotta kill all the black folk and burn their town, cause they’re doing better than us!”
True story! This is the exact reason that California has such strict gun control laws
I’m fucking speechless.
Should make the headstone out of metal so it risks ricocheting onto the shooter.
Tungsten gravestone!
Wouldn’t it shatter?
I’m a firearms expert with over 10 hours of experience in Call of Duty and I say it would ricochet exactly back at the person who shot it (who would die and drop a grenade, as is tradition).
Fuckin danger close users, probably noob toob too, ACAB for sure
It would not! In fact, if we use a tungsten alloy, it’ll be both cheaper and less likely to chip. Here’s a quick estimate:
Estimate: Tungsten Heavy Alloy Gravestone (83,415 cm³)
Gravestone Dimensions:
- Height: 3 feet (91 cm)
- Width: 2 feet (61 cm)
- Depth: 0.5 feet (15 cm)
- Volume: ~83,415 cm³
- Estimated Weight: ~1,500 kg (using 18.0 g/cm³ tungsten heavy alloy)
Item Estimated Cost (USD) Raw Materials (Tungsten Heavy Alloy) $48,000 Machining & Shaping $11,000 Engraving (laser or CNC) $750 Freight Transport (special handling) $2,000 Installation (crane + labor) $3,000 Total Estimated Cost $64,750
This cost reflects a bullet-resistant, nearly indestructible gravestone crafted from dense tungsten alloy—designed to last centuries with virtually no erosion or damage under normal conditions.
have some respect and delete this shit.
Respect for… the hardworking people who list prices of tungsten alloy in dollars per gram? I’m just screwing around with a silly idea on the internet, man. Would it make you feel better if I had just invented a number off the top of my head?
A hundred and fifty thousand dollars. That’s how much it would cost. I know that because my cousin works in tungsten alloy, and my brother makes headstones. No, wait, we can get it second hand, so actually it’ll only cost five hundred dollars. There, now I’ve created an original thought, and that’s much better than ballparking it with GPT.
But honestly, man, I’m just trying to hang out and have a pretty low-stakes conversation, and you come out here and you type out seven words without capitalization or punctuation, and what you said, and the way you said it… it bummed me out.
You don’t like that LLMs exist. I get it. You’re pissed off that they’re creating an endless cascade of slop, and that they’re already being used to unemploy people, and it’s just going to get worse. Hell, man, I was a theatre major in college. I wanted to do Shakespeare and Ionesco and shit. But you know, it turns out that it’s virtually impossible to do theatre and make enough money to live, seeing as how anyone can turn on their TV and see Olivier doing Hamlet, and if they don’t like that they can turn on YouTube and rewatch the sneezing panda video for the umpteenth time, so the demand for live theatre isn’t really what I thought it was when I was seventeen and I took out all those loans.
So I got a series of jobs, and now I’m getting older, and I don’t do as much theatre as I wish that I could, but I’m trying. I’m trying to make the best of the hand that life dealt me. I’m trying to be a good person, and yeah, sometimes that means taking a shortcut, because I thought it would be fun to throw out some plausible numbers about the cost of tungsten. So I’m sorry. I’m sorry I upset you with that.
But, man, maybe you could just take a moment to think about the fact that there’s a human being on the other side of this conversation. I’m not asking for permission to just burn the entirety of human creativity down. Fuck, the idea of how technology can devalue the arts is terrifying and enraging to me, too. But if you’re going to come at me over it, maybe you could try to treat me like a person, and not like an NPC that you can just lay into, you know?
So anyway, I wrote all that myself. I hope that makes you happy.
You asked ChatGPT to do your homework, didn’t you, kid?
I did, I admit it. I haven’t the faintest idea how much a tungsten alloy gravestone would actually cost to craft and install. I’m sorry.
The rest of the story from Wikipedia:
During the raid, Panther Mark Clark was also killed and several others were seriously wounded. In January 1970, the Cook County Coroner held an inquest; the coroner’s jury concluded that Hampton’s and Clark’s deaths were justifiable homicides.[14][15][16][17]
A civil lawsuit for wrongful death was later filed on behalf of the survivors and the relatives of Hampton and Clark.[18] It was resolved in 1982 by a settlement of $1.85 million (equivalent to $6.03 million in 2024); the U.S. federal government, Cook County, and the City of Chicago each paid one-third to a group of nine plaintiffs. Given revelations about the illegal COINTELPRO program and documents associated with the killings, many scholars now consider Hampton’s death, at age 21, a deliberate assassination at the FBI’s initiative. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Hampton
Funny I just read that a bit ago, some of their sources cited appear to no longer work.
The FBI assassination part seems to be corroborated by this National Archive page https://www.archives.gov/research/african-americans/individuals/fred-hampton. I guess NARA being an official USA agency, they would not make a claim against the FBI without being certain.
Yes thats 100% true, Fred was drugged, moved to a different room, and killed while unconscious.
However all other aspects of the raid are inconsistent among various witnesses: who shot first, where the gunman in the first room was killed, how the police presented themselves, etc. The agents responsible deserved to face time for the wrongful killing of Fred, but the raid on the compound in itself is an expected outcome of the Black Panther’s actions. Their ideology created this outcome, using them as some sort of icon now 60 years later is disingenuous and pointless.
Link decay is actually a pretty serious problem that no one seems to have an answer to and it will only get worse.
its very easily solvable from a technical standpoint. the reason we cant is entirely because of copyright laws.
archive.org page mirrors could be used instead of direct links, the problem is that archive.org is in danger of being sued for hosting those mirrors.
that would still leave a single point of failure, but if you implemented a bittorrent style version of archive.org you could easily archive any webpage and media forever.
everything structurally bad about the internet is bad because of copyright laws.
I remember growing up people saying “Once, it’s on the internet. It’s there forever”. Turns out, the Internet is subjected the power of entropy like everything else.
Huge swathes of the internet being shut down via overzealous copyright enforcement isn’t entropy.
Like everything else that’s killing or at the very least making worse all the best qualities of the internet, it’s enshittification to maximize profits and corporate ownership of every aspect of life they can possibly get their greedily grasping hands on.
Jesus. This story needs to come with a stiff drink. RIP.
We can only hope to live lives that leave fascists seething for generations after we die. Rest in power.
I’d rather lead a life that leaves fascists dead after I die. But I’ll take seething as a consolation prize.
Still live in cops heads rent free
He still working on them from the grave
Is there a fund or organization working to get this man a new headstone? It can be replaced annually, sp needs some organization behind it.
Honestly, every bullet chipped hole is a badge of honor. ACAB
I lazaliy asked chatgpt
It appears there was but it concluded
Instead it suggests helping preserve his childhood home
https://www.gofundme.com/f/SaveTheHamptonHouse51
Edit: verify how legit it is on your own. I put in very little effort on my end.
chatgpt isn’t a source, stop making the internet worse.
Do less next time
Then find an answer to a question but warn I haven’t researched enough to know how legit it was?
No thanks. I’m fine with my effort on a 10 min break unpaid break. how much effort did you put in?
Complaining is easy and pointless. At least my effort wasnt “none”. Where is your ten minutes?
As for the concept “every bullet is a badge of honor” I disagree. If the stone is unreadable there’s nothing to look into. On the other side there is extreme power in “well rebuild, Everytime. We haven’t forgotten either”
That’s just my view. Take it or leave it.
Sometimes a lazy answer is worse than no answer
Give me one example btw? “Sometimes a lazy answer is worse than no answer”
What are your examples? Lol. Complaining is useless. I provided answers.
When given an answer, people will trust it, even when told not to trust it.
Not an example
https://xkcd.com/978/ The problem is that a lazy answer builds credibility for a source or fact. You may try to disclaim that it’s unreliable, but the mere act of suggesting an answer implies your own support for it.
“I’ve heard there’s studies that suggest vaccines cause autism.” is a lazy answer to the question of vaccine safety that ignores the complicated nature of academic research. What it does do is build consensus. Over time, that lazy answer repeated gets you to state where a lot of people doubt the safety of vaccines.
I realize we all live busy lives and nobody has time to research things in great depth. Some people barely research major purchase decisions. What people are trying to communicate here is that an AI answer has very low credibility along the lines of “my uncle who works at Nintendo”.
We don’t need you to act as a human interface for ChatGPT. If you want to use ChatGPT, use it as a starting point for your own research. Ask it questions like “Where could I find information on this topic?” and go from there. Of course, that’s a lot of work; but you can always choose not to post.
If you have life experiences that give you insight into a topic, or you did research and found a good source; please comment and share your insights. They add value to the conversation and it’s why most of us are here.
On one hand, I can appreciate you doing some work. On the other hand, an actual fundraiser was my first result upon googling “Fred Hampton gravestone fundraiser”, which is far quicker than asking ChatGPT would have been. You put in extra effort for worse results (your link has nothing to do with his grave, and instead seeks landmark status for his home). So I believe “do less next time” is a pretty apt response.
Edit: I’ve emboldened a portion of this comment to emphasize it more. I was not intending to start a whole argument over this. It was meant to be a simple criticism of the method.
But it was about the same effort and got very similar results. I mean, you put in a whole lot more effort into your reply and yet you’re criticizing people of doing too much. I don’t get it. Does ChatGPT trigger people this much?
I have no issue with ChatGPT, I simply dislike when people rely on it as their first and only source and give unhelpful answers because of it. (Edit: Not to mention ChatGPT can be quite dangerous when used this way. Its a bad habit that shouldn’t be encouraged.)
And I wouldn’t say I put in more effort in my response considering the amount of caveats they added in theirs about how they asked chatgpt and have no idea if its real. Our responses were similar in length, mine is just all one paragraph and so looks bigger. If I had responded to the original question, I would have just dropped a link and that would have been the end of it.
I simply dislike it when people rely on it as their first and only source
But they were clear about what they did. It’s similar, but what you’re saying doesn’t apply here.
I’m only comparing your response to their effort asking ChatGPT. My point is that typing up a comment on Lemmy is much more effort than formulating a question for ChatGPT, which is negligible, making the entire argument around how much effort one exerts in what a bit forced. Idk, I find it unproductive when there are better points to argue about.
His result was wrong. He brought up the old donation site I mentioned was now unable to accept donations. He did more work and got less results.
Their point was not about donating but that the fundraiser had changed focus, which was true. If it had been specifically about donating, then I’d agree.
It’s annoying and so are the people who defend it to death like you
I’m defending it to death now? Lmao ok
Personally, I find it more annoying when someone starts accusing others of things that have not happened but to each their own.
Your answer was wrong. Mine wasn’t. You provided a wrong answer with the same amount of work I put in to provide the correct answer. How is that better?
Again your charity link is useless and old now. It does nothing. The closest in maintaining his child hood home. I provided the correct answer. You were wrong and prideful because you wasted more time to find less. Congratulations.
Edit: I don’t actually care enough to have a full-blown argument over this. Especially not one seeping into mild personal attacks territory.
(my original response)
I promise I have no pride in my ability to google search four keywords. Conversely, you seem rather prideful in your ability to ask an LLM a question. Good job I guess?
And how is yours the correct answer while mine is wrong? The link you provided about his childhood home is also an inactive fundraiser. That is to say, a completely unhelpful link. And you call me prideful lol. I would have at least linked the actual relevant old fundraiser unlike you.
And again, I didn’t waste any more time googling four keywords and clicking the first link than you did opening ChatGPT and asking it an actual question.
I’ve have no pride in my bones at all. I’ll admit wrong, I even said that it was a possibility in my edit
You claimed you found the better answer, an answer I already explained was wrong. no pride involved on my end. I was very very clear about my effort. You did worse. These are facts not pride.
https://fundrazr.com/11bgb5?ref=ab_2G1YUbDMzxm2G1YUbDMzxm
took a few seconds
“fred hampton gravestone donations”
That’s the old one I mentioned. You can’t donate. Do better.
You have angered the luddites
Good
I know of Hampton because of a lyric in a Propagandhi song
Shooting someone’s grave is fucked up.
Sometimes the ties that bind are strange: no justice shines upon the cemetery plots marked Hampton, Weaver or Anna-Mae
Fucked up is putting it mildly. Imagine being so mentally unstable that shooting at someone “between 90 and 99 times” wasn’t enough so you had to return annually to shoot at a rock with their name on it to feel better
Jfc that’s dark. Fred Hampton was a badass who was murdered by the state. But that’s not enough and they shoot his fucking tombstone? Get the fuck over it! You already killed our guy to suppress a movement. You don’t have to be aggrieved any longer, you fucking pussies.
He was murdered by cops who have since retired, this is being done by newer pigs who want to show their loyalty to the boot.
Gil Scott Heron has a song about Fred Hampton called No Knock. Too bad Heron’s work is still relevant. When all those rich fuckers bought their way into space I listened to Whitey on The Moon on repeat for like a week.
ACAB. That cannot be said enough.
As a proud father of two young men, this absolutely breaks my heart while simultaneously pisses me the fuck off to no end.
The people in power are good for nothing cowards. “In God We Trust?” Yeah, if this is what your God allows, then fuck Him and fuck you too. I hope everybody involved in this murder rots in whatever wasteland of Hell they believe in.
Goddamnit.
Anyone who can find any reason to shoot at the grave of a young respected political activist who worked against the side of hate deserves denial of peace in the afterlife as well.
