Summary
Vivian Jenna Wilson, Elon Musk’s daughter, accused her father of giving a “definitely Nazi salute” at two rallies in January, calling his actions “fucking cringe.”
In an interview with Teen Vogue, she criticized Musk’s involvement in the Trump administration and advocated for trans rights, emphasizing the importance of gender-affirming care for minors.
Wilson, who transitioned as a teen, described Musk as cold and absent, and revealed she no longer associates with him or his family.
She also expressed fear over anti-trans legislation under Trump’s administration.
It’s mindblowing how anyone still genuinely thinks what he did was anything but.
My coworker is convinced it was just ‘my heart to you!’ and to him is why he no longer trusts the news. It’s crazy to watch educated people get sucked into the alt right misinformation hole.
Just watched it again. I didnt remember it being that obvious…
It’s not ambiguous.
“iT wAs A rOmAn sALuTe” oh you mean the “salute” that appears in exactly one painting from the 1700s, long after the Roman empire had fallen?
There are videos of people being asked to recreate it, and while most refuse to do it (because of the implication), some add their own flourish to make it look like something else. That should tell you everything you need to know.
And was the direct inspiration for the Nazi salute.
Indirect inspiration. Hitler got it from Mussolini, who got it from Gabriele d’Annunzio, who got it from a Broadway production of Ben-Hur, which got it from the US Pledge of Allegiance, which got it from the painting.
TV: Do you ever feel scared? He’s the richest man in the world.
VW: He’s a pathetic man-child. Why would I feel scared of him? Ohhh, he has so much power. Nah, nah, nah. I don’t give a fk. Why should I be scared of this man? Because he’s rich? Oh, no, I’m trembling. Ooh, shivering in my boots here. I don’t give a fk how much money anyone has. I don’t. I really don’t. He owns Twitter. Okay. Congratulations.
Absolutely based. The pathetic man-child was probably fuming when reading those lines. :)
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Just to remind everyone of Elon’s response:
He said that Tesla vandalism was connected to hormone therapy used by Trans people.
Intentionally damaging a Tesla is now considered an act of demoestic terrorism.
Just another step from Project 2025 criminalizing Trans people.
And this is his fucking CHILD.
What an irredeemable piece of shit.
When even Neo Nazis are agreeing that it’s a Nazi salute, and side by side footage shows Elon doing the salute with even more force than Hitler himself did, pretending that it isn’t is not a good look and is gaslighting. I’ve seen someone claim that it couldn’t have been a Nazi salute because “half of America” and the ADL said it wasn’t, which just makes this quote more relevant:
“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command”
The kid is all right. Great hair, too.
who the fuck still thinks it wasn’t …
All Republicans. My idiot sister. She’s like “I watched it” as if that’s proof it wasn’t? If the white superiority groups are applauding your actions, you’re in the wrong. That quieted her down but it didn’t change her mind. She thinks we’re all over reacting.
I will say, it’s not all republicans. And I mean this in a “there’s still the slightest sliver of hope” kind of way, bc my church is hella republican leaning, with lots of old people, and they’re all fucking pissed at Trump and Elon. Like they’re calling him King Trump (mockingly) and a lot of them have complained about Elon doing the hitler salute. And yes, they’re the idiots that voted for him and are now complaining that he’s doing exactly what he said he’d do but this is our best time to try to push them back towards “normal” republicans rather than the openly fascist ones
Doesn’t matter, these idiots would still vote for him tomorrow if they had the chance.
My brother. He thinks it was just a normal heartwarming gesture and people are just finding reasons to hate on him. I had a… Pretty bad argument with him over it.
Yeah, we know.
Everyone that isn’t braindead or a pathetic shill knows.
Is that the one, that was “killed by the woke mind virus”?
Yes. Apparently Elon paid for all his in-vitro babies to be male. You can see how having a trans daughter would be the end of the world to that kind of chud.
Wilson, who transitioned as a teen, described Musk as cold and absent, and revealed she no longer associates with him or his family.
So he’s a sociopath. That checks out
He literally just said “empathy is weakness” the other day, I think it’s pretty clear he’s got some serious personality disorder. Narcissism and sociopathy both seem to fit him pretty well but I’m just a blue-collar guy.
Idk one way or another he’s a piece of shit and I firmly believe one of the most evil people kicking, if anyone can be said to be evil, it’s him.
And I’ve played a LOT of evil in DnD over the years. Both sides of the screen. I feel like I’ve got a pretty good grasp of the concept. If he was just a character in literature I’d go “damn, that’s a good villain”, but he is, sadly, alive and real.
Breaking: Elon Musk’s daughter has eyes and a working brain.
True, but shed also particularly able to speak on his mens rea. She’s spoken openly about how even when she was young he was bigoted and cruel. So while many of us may have witnessed a man get radicalized by the right wing as he lost his damn mind which might lead some to think it was him being edgy or something, she’s able to say that no, he in his private life as a man who was merely rich was a massive shit stain.
Well, according all the comments here that I’ve read, I’m stupid.
Yes, when you watch the motion as a small repeating gif, of course it looks like a salute. When I watch the actual video, and listen to him speaking, I do not think its a salute.
His child in the article is obviously not happy their father, even before this happened. Reading the article, its obvious their opinion is based on the trans issue, and because they disagree on the topic, then he must be a Nazi. Since they give no other reason for him being a Nazi, I don’t think their opinion holds much validity.
No person in their right mind would make such a gesture, especially not speaking in front of millions. It was not a 100% clear Hitlergruß. To me it seems pretty obvious that it was an intentional move to further divide the US population into people claiming he did a Nazi salute and those brushing it off as a random gesture, ridiculing the other side. Ragebaiting by doing a 99% nazi salute is not much better than doing an actual one.
How come its mostly people who behave exactly like nazis who ‘accidentally’ make very similar gestures to nazi salutes? I wonder…
What if he just made a motion, and it happened to look like that, even though it was not intentional? Watching the video, that’s how I see it. I think he just got caught up in the moment, and made a gesture of thanks, not trying to look like anything.
Then he would have disavowed it and apologized for it immediately. You don’t accidentally Heil Hitler and then just pretend it didn’t happen.
He did it again, just a second later.
Also, a ‘gesture of thanks’ usually doesnt involve tensing up your whole body and stretching your right arm with the palm facing downwards. This is as unnatural of a gesture as it gets.
He bent his whole body to give a salute. It was quite off-center and awkward, not really like the nazi salute as seen on historical videos of Hitler, which is a much more deliberate and aligned hand motion in relation to the body. If Elon time traveled to Hitler rallies and did this salute, he’d be reprimanded for doing it all wrong.
Yep, I just can’t buy that its legit.
When your defense is, “Actual Nazis would say you need to work on your Nazi salute if you want to do it right,” you need to realize you’re also saying, “Actual Nazis would recognize this as a poorly done Nazi salute.” And him being an unfit, physically inept fuck doesn’t make it less of a Nazi salute, no more than my hour of playing tennis doesn’t make my attempt at a backhand swing any less of a backhand swing just because Serena Williams would fall on her ass laughing if she saw me do it.
It’s incredibly bizarre that there are people in the world defending this shit.
It’s even more incredibly bizarre that anyone could actually look at that video and see anything other than a fucking nazi salute.
People like you are why this world is turning to absolute shit. Just another cog in the wheel.
You may not be aware, but Nazis (both traditional and the neo variant) love dog whistles.
Obscure and hidden symbolism is core to their ideologies.
Nazis (and most hate groups in general) love doing things that are just innocent enough, but with a wink or a nudge, demonstrate clear intention.
It’s quite easy to not do a nazi salute and when public speaking, politicians (and people who practice their public speaking skills in general) have traditionally been coached on what features may be construed as, just look at the traditional ‘non-threatening’ two finger point.
Finally, I don’t think it really matters what it technically was or wasn’t, what matters is perception and reception.
Edit: I want to add some concrete examples of nazi dog whistling and symbolism.
Historically the numbers 88 have been used by neo Nazis to represent HH (8th letter of the alphabet) as a disguised way to say ‘heil Hitler’
The numbers on their own don’t mean anything, but given additional context, behaviors, or related ideals, then an additional meaning can be found.
This is often used as an intentional way to inform sympathizers to your position that you are on their side (for example a group at a political gathering) without overtly communicating your position to those opposed.
Another example is skinheads (not sharps) wearing and lacing their boots in a certain way with specific color laces.
Hitler himself was immensely into the occult and found hidden symbolism to be very powerful, it’s part of why he repurposed so much religious iconography.
Person who has no expertise on a subject agrees with experts on the subject, more news at 6!
Are you suggesting that a kid doesn’t have any insight into their parent’s behavior and that “experts” do?
No, I’m saying she’s not an historian specialized in Nazi Germany.
You don’t need to be to see it was not one but two nazi salutes
You don’t, but her opinion is useless when all experts already agree that’s what it was.
It’s like asking actors their political opinion. Who gives a fuck what they think? They’re actors, not political analysts.
And yet, here you are with your opinion that no one asked for. Are you seeing how this works yet?
So you’re saying my opinion is just as important as hers, she gets to share hers, I get to share mine, will The Guardian write an article about my opinion now? Are you seeing how this works yet?
No, I’m saying she is relevant to the story. You aren’t. Yet here you are trying to erase her from it, while adding yourself to it- via the comments.
Yell all you want. She’s still going to have her say in legitimate news articles, while you’re relegated to ranting about it in forums located in the far reaches of the internet.
And you think that’s required for recognizing a Nazi salute? That’s whack.
No, I’m saying that all experts agree it is so her opinion doesn’t matter.
The experts say it’s a Nazi salute. There’s not a single credible person claiming it’s not. If you can’t tell what an expert is, you’re likely not intelligent enough to take part in this conversation. You must be this tall to ride the ride.
You should work on your reading comprehension.
All experts agree it is a Nazi salute, we don’t need the opinion of people who have no expertise on the subject, even if they’re somewhat related to Musk (considering how he wasn’t involved as a father it’s not as if her opinion of him is based on anything but his public persona).
So if we scoured your comment history, we won’t find you weighing your opinion in on things that you are not an expert in, right?
My favorite explanation for this is that he’s autistic. It never fucking ends with these people, lol
Yep, its fucking outrageous and insulting. He’s not an autistic person that needs 24 supported living, he can function to a high level in day to day society. He’s been in the public eye long enough to be well aware of how his actions can be perceived. He fucking knows exactly what he was doing, and chose to do it.
