• venotic@kbin.melroy.org
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    29 days ago

    And they all died because one psychopathic old fart simply just wanted to take over majority of or the entire country of another for personal gain.

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      29 days ago

      Hey, that’s not fair! Most of them were not killed, but only mutilated too much to be ableish-bodied enough for the russian army!

      (Serious note: this is the casuality number, that includes deaths, but also soldiers with wounds that put them out of service, like lost legs)

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      28 days ago

      It’s not mere personal gain with Putin. The man has a vision of returning Russia to glorious Soviet Union. Probably felt kicked in the balls when it all fell apart. Remember, he was the head of the KGB, an extraordinarily powerful man. Maybe even more powerful than the Premier? Dunno.

      He likely felt he would quickly crush Ukraine, make them an example, and then move on to other lost, and weaker, countries.

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      28 days ago

      Yeah, but let’s keep hating every russian, because they ‘freely choose to enlist’ and invade other countries. They love being shelled by Nato artillery 🥰

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        28 days ago

        Riiiiiigght.

        Be conscripted and die, or fight conscription and die.

        Cowards to the last man.

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    29 days ago

    You have more in common with those soldiers than you do with the warpigs pulling the strings that led them to their deaths.

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      29 days ago

      I’m pretty sure everybody on these websites knows they’re more similar to enlisted soldiers than to Vladimir Putin.

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      29 days ago

      So… You have a lot of common with people who are ready to go kill in exchange for money?

      Oh wowzies.

      Also what a damn bad dichotomy: either side with killers for money or those who pay them to kill.

      For once, a normal human being will not side with either of.

      edit: oh keep them downvotes coming, keep yourself counting all y’all who think killing for money is ok ¯_(ツ)_/¯.

      • Gordon Calhoun@lemmy.world
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        29 days ago

        You mean the 18-30 y/o men who are conscripted into compulsory military service for a year? Kinda sounds like a lot of them might not have much choice, barring gulag or suicide, in the matter.

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          tbf, most Russian conscripts are not involved in the war - men sign theoretically voluntary contracts in exchange for extra pay or reduced service time to be deployed outside of Russia.

          That being said, there’s a great deal of coercion that’s involved, so while you can resist pressure to sign a contract, it’s not unreasonable to think that a significant minority felt they really didn’t have a choice.

          • Gordon Calhoun@lemmy.world
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            29 days ago

            I just believe the righteous antipathy is better leveled at the Russian government, specifically Putin, than the anonymous cannon fodder.

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              29 days ago

              I prefer to hate everyone willing to kill me, my friends, my family, take over my country equally. Especially so, if they do it for money, for ten years.

              Hard to grasp such a complex concept, I understand.

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                29 days ago

                I can understand why you feel the way you do and cannot dispute it is a hatred you’ve earned.

                Just like I wouldn’t be able to blame any Canadian for hating every US soldier if the US were to invade Canada.

                I personally feel bad for every person involved in something as horrible as fighting in a war. I wish their hearts, brains, and energies could instead be employed in something peaceful, helpful, and beneficial for the future.

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        For a lot of people, yeah actually. It’s all relative to each country’s general economy and propaganda, but there are a lot of people around the world either already in the military willing to die or kill for their country because of patriotism or feeling like there’s no other career paths for them, or that would take up the call if conscripted by their country.

        Then think about how hitmen, assassins, sicarios and those type of criminals are usually from poverty or lower class and just regular people that descended into a life of crime and kill for money. Yeah, I think it’s actually quite common for regular folk to be killing others for money unfortunately.

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    29 days ago

    I find this difficult to believe. Edit: Wikipedia has a total (both sides) death toll of 160k-290k.

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    28 days ago

    I’m going against the grain here, but I just think this is really sad. A lot of these people will have been decent people, loved by decent people and some have been brainwashed. It’s a horrible, terrible human cost cos of a dictator

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    29 days ago

    Seeing as they are still on their murderous war of conquest, obviously not enough yet.

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    29 days ago

    Anyone know the number of Americans killed in Vietnam without looking it up?

    Tap for spoiler

    ~58,000

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          29 days ago

          I would imagine Agent Orange and severe PTSD-induced homelessness or suicide should also contribute to that number.

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      28 days ago

      Interesting comparison. People cheering on those Russian deaths should also be cheering on those American deaths

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        From an odd point of view, I think it’s been good that world war 2 happened, so that we lost our grip on a lot of countries. Such as Vietnam.

        Can’t really say that out loud tho aha

        Also I wouldn’t exist without world war 2.

        If I didn’t have sex with my wife on that specific night then my specific sperm cell wouldn’t have gone into her specific egg cell.

        Existential crisis intensifies