And no one is going to do a damn thing about this because the US is not a nation of laws anymore.
Now, watch as literally nothing at all is done about it, just like his last blatant and obvious felony and just like his next one.
We suck.
Excuse me, are you a man in a shark suit?
I don’t see how that’s relevant, and if anything that is a very rude question of you to ask. I’d suggest you gather your couth and think before asking such inane and, frankly, very stupid and insulting questions, which my username has already answered had you bothered to read it, in the future.
Good day.
Edit: I apologize, I read that backwards. No, of course not, I’m just a regular human in my normal human skin keeping my sweet tasty meats contained inside my body, and I have regular non-serrated teeth that don’t grow back when I lose them attacking seals and such, just like the rest of you. Nothing to see here.
No it’s fine, the Internet doesn’t convey tone so you didn’t reslise I am merely a fascinated biologist. Thank you for explaining about your non serrated teeth that definitely don’t grow back Mr Man. Have a human day!
No thanks on the nationalist “we”. Cultspeak.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_religion
Frank first uses a singular personal pronoun (“I”), but then quickly corrects to the plural personal pronoun “we.” Why? Because when you’re leading a cult, you need to imply family, collectiveness, exclusivity at each moment. Frank’s consistently creates an “us versus them” scenario. Although it’s unclear who “they” are, that hardly matters to his followers. They are much too busy “looking harder” (at what?) “digging deeper” (to where?) and “mining that pure, unbridled potential (of what?)” - https://www.whatmakesgreatwriting.com/p/dont-worry-darling
We are a collective society, that’s an objective fact, dipshit, you don’t have the option to not be a part of a demographic, learn what context is and how to apply it.
I honestly thought a lawless society would be more like mad max. Not his BS!!!
Give it time.
Who cares??? Honestly im sick of hearing it. He’s clearly above the law.
The president has immunity while being in office, was the supreme court ruling right?
And if this doesn’t count under the immunity, he just replaces judges and claims he lost faith in the justice system and abolishes and restructures it, just as Hitler did. He already ignored several other judge rulings.
Start attacking his supporters instead. Bring them up on charges for being complicit in his crimes. He may have immunity, but his enablers don’t. Make everyone scared to keep supporting him until their only choice is to vote in favor of ousting him.
Or, Trump will just protect them all. Like he pardoned the Jan6 rioters. He already barred judges who went after friends of his.
So let him. Keep doing it over and over until the message gets through. You just sound defeatist.
Next Democrat president better go full dictator or they’re stupid
Last Democrat president did nothing to protect you from future abuses of presidential power.
You think there will be one? Seeing how things are going now, there’s barely a democracy left. I’m expecting elections like Russia had, at best. Trump is following the footsteps of Hitler. Literally. Tariffs, attacking journalists and judges, spreading hate towards minorities, using fake news as a weapon, replacing key positions with yes-men, deporting people to concentration camps, etc. You might hope for a Democrat as president, but I think that ship has sailed man.
People still tell me “at least it’s only four years” and I can’t believe their ignorance
Whoa, trump violated a law??? We’ve got him now!
I’m over these headlines. The Supreme Court said he has presidential immunity. The law doesn’t apply.
They said he has immunity for official duties. This article is about him using the presidential seal for non-official duties. I don’t think anything is going to happen still, but even the insane SC ruling doesn’t give him immunity for this.
The ruling outlined that official duties includes pretty much everything he does while president, unless he explicitly states it’s not in his capacity as president or for national interests, which he won’t do in court, so effectively, yes, he has complete immunity. The “official” part is just a fig leaf to give the ruling the appearance of jurisprudence.
KKKaroline in one of her recent briefings said that basically he’s doing this in his personal time, and is unrelated to his presidency. They can probably use that 🤷 not that they will though
Sure, but this is about him using the seal in a non-official capacity. Either it’s legal because it’s an official duty, in which case he doesn’t need immunity, or it’s illegal because it isn’t an official duty, in which case he isn’t immune.
Again, nothings going to happen with this regardless. I’m just stating what’s going on.
Sure, but this is about him using the seal in a non-official capacity.
Why cant he say that he was speaking officially as the president of the US? He was discussing economics. He wasn’t talking about his meme coin.
As I said, he can, in which case it’s legal. Normally a president would have to argue that, but we’re well past that point.
He’ll just say something like he was using it to build relationships with the leaders of other countries or some ridiculous bullshit. Unfortunately “official” while obvious to us may be more ambiguous to the law.
And you’re just going to comply with that?
I for one would still want to call out whats being done, to make a record for future generations if nothing else.
Are you really such a good little soldier that the supreme court makes a bad decision and you immediately reorient your entire moral framework to match?
What do you mean by am I just going to comply? What does that even mean? What am I supposed to do? Trump is the one not complying along with the Supreme Court and Congress. None of these groups are doing their job. This has happened over and over and over again and still half the country is either cheering it on or clearly ok with it. The other half either don’t care or have been neutered. America democratically voted for this. Don’t blame me for not being emotional enough in a comment.
Resistance starts in the mind. Fascists want you to think the way you’re thinking, because if you can’t even get to the point of giving a shit about what they’re doing, you’ll never ever get to the point of actually doing something about it.
Refusing to comply really can be as simple as just choosing to call out their evil, every single time. It’s a starting point. It’s easy and trite to say that big trees grow from small acorns, but much harder to really understand what that means, to take into your heart the idea that every single word or act of defiance matters, that enough drops really do make an ocean.
I’m not asking you to plan a revolution. I’m just asking you to give a shit. Because the people telling you to stop giving a shit are the ones who want to do terrible things to your country, and they need your passivity in order to succeed.
Lemmy loves the defeatist, resigned, comply in advance mentality. It pretty uniformly gets voted to the top.
And exactly what is your grand plan, oh wise one?
Trump has been ignoring court orders left and right. Mass firings are still happening. Fired workers haven’t been rehired. Kilmar Garcia is still stuck in El Salvador. Immigrants are still being sent to third world countries with no notice or due process. Trump is issuing unconstitutional executive orders on the daily, and the Supreme Court themselves may very well rule that all of this is OK.
Hell, Trump’s lawyers just argued in front of the Supreme Court that they will not abide by the Supreme Court’s decision if they don’t like it. SCOTUS judges didn’t even reply with any kind of threat of consequences for ignoring a SCOTUS decision. They just accepted that Trump may or may not ignore the court and moved on with questioning. Why? Because they know they have no enforcement mechanism. Neither do any of the other courts. Why do you think they’ve done exactly nothing but issue empty threats of some arbitrary and undefined “contempt” charges for DOJ lackeys if they lie to the court 20 or 30 more times? Because that’s all they’ve got. Anything beyond that and they’ll be exposed for having no enforcement mechanism when Trump tells them to go pound sand. The court’s threats have already been exposed as being about as effective as mommy telling a beligerent toddler that she’s going to count to three, but keeps stopping at two and a half, two and three quarters…
And we all know how it works out. No punishment ever comes. Mommy eventually buys the screaming child the toy just to shut him up, and then wonders why he pulls another temper tantrum in the next store they visit. Same thing applies here.
But hey, if you’ve got a viable plan besides taking an extra hit of copium and hoping for the best, I’d love to hear it.
are you charging into battle as we speak?
A person raising their voice is doing more than a person who chooses to stay silent. Why would you direct your anger at the former rather than the latter?
This idea that anyone “not doing enough” needs to shut up and sit down is exactly the kind of toxic bullshit that fascists want you to consume. They want you to feel that everything has to either be some huge world changing gesture, or it’s just not worth it. Life isn’t like that. Real resistance isn’t about blowing up the Death Star, it’s about thousands, millions of tiny acts of defiance that build upon each other. Every time someone says “this is wrong” someone else is inspired to agree. Every time someone shows up to a protest, someone else is inspired to show up the next time. You don’t change regimes in a day, and you don’t build movements out of nothing. They accumulate, millions of tiny choices gathering together into a vast whole.
At this point it’s basically just propaganda to give the illusion that something is being done.
Like how Putin has elections
He has immunity for “Official” presidential acts. Establishing/ promoting a private business concern is NOT an official presidential act.
The problem is that SCOTUS said two things:
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“Official” acts are basically whatever Trump says they are unless the Supreme Court says otherwise.
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Official acts can’t be investigated or used as evidence of criminal activity for unofficial acts. In other words, if Trump says it’s tied to an official act, it’s covered as well.
In other words, Trump can do whatever the fuck he wants. All he’s got to say is that the whole thing was tied to his implementation of economic policy or something and it’s suddenly an “official act” that can’t even be investigated unless the Supreme Court says it can.
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The SC retained the right to define what constitutes “official.” Which this will be.
I fear it means nothing
yeeh, my first though was “ooh, that’s gonna command a few marches…” fuck
edit - i should be productive and not just cynical. who’s arranging the president’s birthday concert? do we have springstein? vedder? come on y’all
It’s a perfect time for Rage to do a pop up concert in DC.
I’d rather 1790s France do a popup, but I’ll settle for Rage.
Well there will be court cases that will drag on for months which he will whine persistently. So not exactly nothing, just more whining.
Just so you don’t have to read through the article to find out which law he broke this time: he used the presidential seal while he spoke at a private, for-profit event.
Oh, yeah, of EVERYTHING he’s done, this is the thing that will finally land him in prison.
I mean, al capone was brought down due to some tax issue. Sometimes they gotta get a really good grip on a small thread and just keep pulling
2 very good lawyers had Donald dead to rights on election fraud and stealing government documents, and they both gave up when they realized the law doesn’t apply to him. There is no legal thread to keep a grip on that will ever make any difference.
Nobody seemed to care when the supreme court gave us kings again. This is what it looks like.
al capone was brought down due to some tax issue.
…and a government organization with the will to do what’s right and pursue justice. Do you expect to see that from the people Republicans and Trump put in place??
Would be hilarious if it was
Yah that’s the one that will do him in and crumble his empire. Surely.
And nothing will happen. All consequences from here on out are just for you and me.
So can we expect more finger wagging, indignant tweets and furrowed brows? Maybe a SLAM or two? No? Then suck it up, america!
Mother fucker is breaking every law he can. Who will stop him?
nobody dies with dignity. golden toilet child’s days are numbered, and even he can’t stop it. it’s creeping, and it’ll hit him in about 20 years if the world stays as fair as it’s been. buckle up.
Mario’s brother?
and most of 'em don’t have a fucking thing to do with ‘official’ duties
That ruling defined official duties so broadly it’s actually virtually impossible for anything he does to not be “official” by the SC’s standards.
Anthonyiv Krazinsky 47 years of age
He’s not in prison for treason and espionage - it’s doubtful he’s going anywhere no matter how heinous a crime he commits.
He’s…a…fucking…criminal. A criminal is in charge of the law. AND the national piggy bank, but that for another time.
How many of you have criminals as friends? None. You know why? Because they’ll lie and steal from you just as fast as anyone else - that’s why. And that’s trumpski - a lying criminal con man. AND a traitor to the country that gave him everything he’s got.
How many of you have criminals as friends? None. You know why? Because they’ll lie and steal from you just as fast as anyone else - that’s why.
I know you’re making a political point, but tbh, I thought Lemmy would have a better take on criminal justice
Actually not political although I’m referring to the orange traitor. How many friends in your life steal from you and lie to you and you still call them friends?
Equally petty, but I don’t associate crime with being a bad person.
Speeding is a crime. Drug use is a crime. Evading draconian copyright laws is a crime…
Do you consider them your friends if they steal from you? Lie to you? Lie about you and have you put in prison?
I don’t consider drugs or speeding crimes either - but these aren’t the crimes I speak of when relating to trump.
And stealing, no matter what you think of copyright laws, is never a good thing… even if done with good intention.
Totally agree. But I think depending on the type of speeding you do can make you a bad person.
There are better takes but you have to search for them.
I have massive problems with prisons and by extension policing. I think prisons are the some of the most cruel institutions on Earth. But I am kind of disappointed that that community isn’t really proposing anything it feels like. Prisons are cruel and need reform, you don’t need to convince me there. The problem is I do think there is a legitimate need for something to protect people, and to separate people who are a serious risk to others.
They say:
creating lasting alternatives to punishment and imprisonment.
But what?
One idea I think, that is a small reform but I think would actually be very valuable in increasing prisoners quality of life: increased internet access. I think the isolation, and the feeling of being trapped within the prison culture, is very harmful. It would also be easier to bring abuse to public attention.
Well it depends on the definition of criminal. Most people have committed something that could be considered a crime. The most common crimes are probably speeding and underage drinking
I wish I could upvote this twice
How many of you have criminals as friends? None. You know why? Because they’ll lie and steal from you just as fast as anyone else - that’s why.
Grow up. Most “crimes” are bullshit and most “criminals” are fine people.
Nobody wants to be friends with Trump because he’s a fascist who attacks people both legally and illegally, although there’s no conviction/punishment when the rich/privileged commit “crimes”.
You’re probably full grown, like me. You may be highly educated like me also.
That you have no idea of what the U.S. “justice system” entails makes your knowledge of the matter “standard” - as is apparent by stereotypically dumping “crime” into the “it’s not really crime” slot reserved for pot smoking buddies, speeders and the like. And yes it’s true that the rich buy their way out (criminal) punishment.
Fascism and bigotry aren’t crimes… true. Treason, fraud, theft, grifting, lying under oath, and causing the death of millions of people are - and trump is guilty of all of that.
I’m sure neither of us has trump supporters as friends, or even speaking-terms acquaintances, which points out why I said we normally don’t have “criminals” as friends.
Well Al Capone was brought down by the IRS, maybe this fucker will be put behind bars by the post office or something… Or maybe nothing will happen
Gov was after Capone though. Trump is the gov. And even though technically this isn’t true everyone either doesn’t care or isn’t brave enough to try to do anything
Yeah. He breaks laws multiple times a day.
We live in an authoritarian fascist state now.
NOT hyperbole.
Consequences?
I once heard a radio program that changed the way I think about fire and government control. The program emphasized how central fire has been to human survival and how, over time, society has regulated it to the point of alienation. The program explored how we offload very basic functions to authority in exchange for other benefits. In turn the authority is interested in control of these basic functions. For example, historically, entire cities were built from wood, leading to devastating fires. In response, governments began instilling fear around fire to promote caution: we created cartoon bears warning children not to play with matches and imposed strict fire regulations.
As a result, people became increasingly disconnected from fire. Kids raised on fire-safety propaganda grew up being told they couldn’t burn things on their own property or light a fire without permission, especially in cities. Eventually, the knowledge and instinct to responsibly manage fire faded. Fire became something only officials could control. Today, people panic at the mere smell of smoke, not because of immediate danger, but because we’ve been conditioned to view any fire as a threat.
The deeper point the program made was about dependence on authority. When we outsource essential survival skills, like fire management or justice to the government, we assume it will handle those responsibilities competently. But what happens when it doesn’t? For example, Native cultures used controlled burns to prevent wildfires by clearing dry brush. When governments prohibit such practices and also fail to manage the land properly, fuel builds up and massive fires become inevitable.
This raises a fundamental ethical question: If the government refuses to fulfill its basic responsibilities, do citizens have the right, or even the duty, to reclaim control over essential survival functions?
SPOILER ALERT!
Nothing will happen.
