She’s one of only half a handful of Dems that sound ready to lead people into battle. The difference between how she uses knowledge and intelligence to speak to people is in stark comparison to Trump sounding exactly like he has dementia. She listens and responds. Trump just keeps interrupting any question he doesn’t like. Fuck you Maga. Fuck you entirely. You god damn idiots.
I would prefer a new party, but I’m glad that she and Bernie are still out there.
Funny what happens when you actually do something.
I promise you the Democratic Party will do whatever it takes to keep her away from leadership roles because she actually wants to change things.
That’s the one thing the Democratic Party is consistent on: rejecting progressives, even if it means letting the conservatives win.
always so strange to see the words ‘guarantee’ or ‘promise’ when someone is giving a predictive opinion for an outcome they have no contol over.
Disagree. The Democrats dont know who they are anymore. Pelosi and the old Democrats have got to go.
AOC should just make a new party.
We should be so lucky to have a party she represents in this country. The only reason she has that seat is by defying the DNC as a spoiler. They only elevate politicians to the Federal level on the basis of how good they’ve proven they are at collecting that sweet, sweet corpo bribe money.
The DNC and democratic leadership would rather dissappear her Than Trump by a mile.
The pendulum is the point. Both parties are well bribed to maintain the capitalist’s murderous control. Good cop and bad cop are both just fine with mass homelessness and entire murder for profit confidence scheme market sectors. One laughs at you when the capitalists cause you harm, the other just shrugs and says “golly gee market forces nothing we can do! But I affirm your right to die horribly as who you are here in this cardboard box under a freeway! Pronouns are free so whatever I still get bribed 😁” (edit to be clear, respecting others identity is the right thing to do and basic decency, but there’s a hierarchy of needs, self-actualization only matters if you have your basic needs met. You cannot live in an affirmation ribbon, you cannot eat a preferred pronoun, priorities.)
If the Democrats were led by someone talking about redistribution, that bribe gravy train would stop. If by some miracle AOC manages to steal the party out from under them as Trump did the RNC, the DNC would be fighting her every move and comment the way we wish they were countering Trump right now. In fact, here’s how Democrat leadership spent the months leading to Trump’s inauguration:
https://www.axios.com/2024/12/12/aoc-pelosi-oversight-committee-connolly-raskin
Defending the country from one of the only slightly left Reps in the entire federal government.
Democrats like Schumer and Pelosi are far closer to Trump than AOC.
https://apnews.com/article/business-nancy-pelosi-congress-8685e82eb6d6e5b42413417f3d5d6775
Are they… Still considering Harris for 2028??? What? Please god. Make it stop. Please.
It’s.
Her.
Turn.
“It’s my turn.” was everything wrong with Hillary’s campaign in a nut shell.
How the fuck are you able to make yourself look like an unhinged ego-maniac who just wants to be President for the sake of being President, when you’re running against Trump? That shouldn’t be possible.
How the fuck are you able to make yourself look like an unhinged ego-maniac who just wants to be President for the sake of being President, when you’re running against Trump?
This isn’t a problem of Trumpism, it’s a naturally occurring brainworm in Americans broadly speaking. Trump’s a nasty dim-witted freak, so watching him climb to the top of the pile we’ve been raised to believe was a meritocracy causes all sorts of cognitive dissonance. But everyone running for President (except maybe Mike Gravel) ends up looking like this. The thing that separates the Obamas and Trumps from the Hillarys and McCains is whether cheering for the unhinged ego-maniac feels fun or not.
Oof
She’s just the most recent candidate. The most recent candidates, and most recent Presidents and Vice Presidents are almost always in these sorts of lists, especially in the weeks and months following an election, before the next campaign starts.
Joe Biden was a favorite in these sorts of polls in 2015/16, despite saying he wouldn’t run, because he was just VP.
I pray to the gods you are correct. Save this comment for 2028
HRC
Take your up vote and go think about what you did.
Praise the lawd!
She’s one of like 3 US politicians that I don’t just kind of low-key actively hate.
I still have to lol about how the stupid qons tried to use her dancing in university as some kind of BAD thing.
Back when Denver Post still had a comment section and they’d allow gifs, and if the topic was AOC, I’d post her dancing. A few of the local wingnuts would try to get me banned/my posts removed over it, esp. if one of the qanon mods was on-duty…
She’s the best. Why the buzzkills in the unhinged right tried to paint a beautiful intelligent rep like AOC dancing during college as a bad thing is anyone’s guess, but that sure as fuck blew up in their faces…
So let me get this straight: somehow just dancing is somehow worse than drinking beers in fraternities and raping?
She’s a woman with a will of her own, that’s enough for anyone on the Right to hate her.
What I really can’t stand though is when they try to pretend she’s dumb. I mean when we on the Left call Trump a moron, we can actually point to things he did and said. When they try to paint AOC as an airhead, they mostly just repurpose old blonde jokes to be about AOC, there’s never anything she actually did or said that they bring up.
Ever notice that?
God I’m glad I don’t use facebook anymore
She committed the sin of being a woman
She’s a woman and a POC to boot, so…it’s rather self-evident that anything she does is going to be worse.
I think even for the most idiotic of maga, they realized that trying to trash her for dancing was not really getting much traction. Especially among cishet men with eyes? Just sayin’. XD
I think the same thing for trashing her for things like being working class - they were trying that on for a while and that seems to backfire, too. Same goes for some big mic drop attempt they try when they call her “Sandy” in some kind of qnut point about how she had a nickname during high school and/or university? ZOMG! /clutches pearls You are saying she went by the name of Sandy, danced, and worked as a bartender? QED, then, I guess. 🤣
Apparently 🤷♀️
I don’t get it neither, let’s turn it the other way: why would anyone want to vote for someone/something that doesn’t show basic human emotions and doesn’t have fun?
well Trump shows the basic emotion of love but for money only
I disagree. He doesn’t love money. He covets the respect and power that he believes money brings with it and if forever angry that even with the presidency he can’t get the true respect he believes he is entitled to.
Yea that too but I feel like if someone told him “you would be the most respected person in the world and very powerful if you agree to live an economically average life (think Merkel but more modest even)”, I don’t think he would agree. Maybe because he thinks if he has money he can anyway buy the others but still money is not just a tool for him he is hooked on the luxuries it brings too.
I was going to point out how most of them embrace donnie, who never seems to legitimately laugh at something normal. He does that weird grimace and thumbs-up for photo ops. He does that weird grimace after telling “jokes” that are all about punching down on someone or some group.
Well, TBF, I guess he does do that weird double-dick jerkoff dance that he does to his favorite gay anthem. Maybe he’s really trying to tell the world something there? All that talk about being hawt for his own daughter was some kind of weird compensation?
I still laugh to myself when I think of them legitimately hoping they had the bombshell of the century when the “mic drop” of her dancing from college days was released.
I think most people just saw that and thought it was completely normal and it just highlighted how fucking weird and awful people like Tucker were. I think many normies saw it and thought that the qnuts were just sending this to everyone and effectively saying - “holy shit, do you see how HAWT this woman is?” - because whatever message they were attempting by sending this to everyone and trying to make it go viral for some other reason was probably lost on all but the most uptight puritans in the xtian Taliban.
I think normal Americans probably thought something along the lines of - wow, she’s incredibly articulate, delivers a message really well, is obviously well-versed in issues that matter to her constituency, AND is also incredibly attractive, knows how to dance and obviously was having fun making this video? What’s the problem these weirdo qnuts have with that?
BTW, we need to go back to a concerted campaign of calling conservatives and Republicans WEIRD. Because they fucking are.
AOC dancing and having fun is somehow anti-American and full blown socialism, according to Republicans.
Why the buzzkills in the unhinged right tried to paint a beautiful intelligent rep like AOC dancing during college as a bad thing
Because she’s leading moral and dignified Christian men into sin!
It’s not my fault / I’m not to blame / It is the gypsy girl / The witch who sent this flame / It’s not my fault / If in God’s plan / He made the devil so much / Stronger than a man
I’ve been saying for about 5 years, maybe better, that she is the person I am most excited to vote for as president of the United States one day.
I don’t even have another name in mind.
I will be as happy to vote for her as I was for Sanders in the primaries, twice. I legit can’t wait.
How about Jasmine Crockett? I hope between the two of them, they start inspiring and generating tons more to go into politics.
Hope Crockett gets to be gov of texas… She reminds me of Ann Richards in all the best ways. She’d make a great president too.
Jasmine Crockett seems to be “AOC but sarcastic”.
I hope she will be successful in actually overtaking the party to some degree, as most high-ranking party members would certainly see that differently
Zero chance the DNC will run her. They’ll give us another white bread, right of center, compromise candidate. The Overton window has shifted so far right we need to build a new wall to house it.
Personally, I think it is too late to save the DNC. Best to start over in a better place.
This is something I see come up a lot, but I think people are severely underestimating the amount of infrastructure that would be lost by “starting over.” Fundraising, state committees, local committees, volunteers, etc. “Starting over” effectively means surrendering nearly every election on any scale larger than a municipality to MAGA Republicans for years while those networks are rebuilt and the country cannot survive that. We need more political parties, but unless and until a viable 3rd party emerges, we’re stuck with what we’ve got and refusing to support the only non MAGA options at the ballot box will actively make the country worse.
If you don’t like it, help build that 3rd party and recruit candidates and donors to your cause (or try to shift the DNC and the Overton window back to the left). Until that’s done there unfortunately isn’t a better alternative.
…think of all the cost already sunk into this failure!
Fundraising, state committees, local committees, volunteer
What if those things are not actually essential in modern day politics?
What if they’re more important than ever before in American history?
Then the same type of politicians will rise through the existing system.
All of the shit that’s current existing that you’ve listed isn’t working. Touch it.
I think most people wouldn’t want to. Unfortunately, I suspect that the Trump Regime only offers two choices: submit to an existence of GOP rule for the rest of our lives, or force the GOP out of existence.
As a very lazy person, I would prefer to coast throughout my life and not worry about much. Unfortunately, that gets harder with each year that passes: the economy is getting worse, RFK wants to send me to an wellness farm, innocents are being trafficked to death camps in El Salvador, and rules that erode liberty for the everyday person are being imposed upon us.
If people like myself don’t get into a “start over” mindset, we might end up paying the price for the rest of our lives.
If Dems just move a little bit further to the right…
Oh I fully expect Democrats to endorse Trump for a third term if the alternative is a real progressive.
The Overton Window isn’t real. Political parties can create their own political realities by leading the electorate, rather than cowardly tailing the electorate like they’re advertisers trying to sell a product.
The Overton Window isn’t real.
Define real? There is certainly something in US politics that acts exactly like Overton Window.
It gets the causal relationship between political leaders and the masses backwards.
The Overton Window presupposes that politicians are limited by the electorate in what they can discuss and pursue; there’s a range of acceptable politics which is created by public opinion.
The reality is that public opinion is created by political leaders and politics is the tool they can use to change the range of acceptable opinion.
By getting the causal relationship backwards there is a tendency to tail the masses rather than lead them. Instead of using politics to create new political realities, politicians behave as if they are trapped within the existing political reality by politics. They seem to think politics is something that happens to you, rather than a tool you use to do things.
There’s a range of acceptable opinion, sure, but it doesn’t limit politics. Instead, politics creates the range of acceptable opinion.
That’s an entirely novel way for me to think about that, and I like it, and now I need to let that percolate. Thank you.
Political parties can create their own political realities by leading the electorate
Manufacturing consent? What ever happened to representative democracy?
"I don’t know anything about Project 2025.”
What ever happened to representative democracy?
Political leaders don’t just represent the electorate, they lead it. Political reality has always been shaped by parties and leaders, even if sometimes those leaders aren’t electoral and so we pretend they aren’t political leaders.
For example, MLK Jr was a political leader even if he wasn’t elected. He created political realities through organizing and activism and propaganda and sloganeering and speeches. He didn’t just wait around for the Overton Window to move, he moved it.
Is that manufacturing consent?
Either we use politics to shape political reality or we allow the right wing to do it for us. Fascists will manufacture consent for our extermination if we let them.
sounds extremely unlikely tho.
My concern is that now that Trump is in office and project 2025 is in full swing, that we will never see another fair election again.
The crimson lining is that we might get to build a new United States, free of the GOP and DNC. The problem is the nature of that crimson.
Is it really easier to imagine the end of the United States of America compared to voting outside the two party system?
It certainly feels that way. I simply have no faith in the DNC, let alone the likes of the GOP. I am of the opinion that our political system simply lacks the flexibility needed to reflect the interests of ordinary people. Just look at how medical benefits, SNAP, NOAA, our sciences, federal workers, due process, and so much more are being deconstructed. All for the sake of a small group of people to see their numbers go up.
It would be good to be wrong about this feeling. Unfortunately, hope is rarely a good companion of prudence.
That’s his obvious intention, yes.
There’s still some things that can go wrong for the fascists, but we’re certainly on a trajectory towards eternal leader supreme chancellor Trump.
When he dies they’re just gonna make him into an LLM. He already ignores all previous instructions so he’s laid the groundwork
If you aren’t a die hard democrat or republican, you have never in your lifetime had a fair election because of the artificial limitations imposed by First-past-the-post voting
The best part about it, is that the old-as-fuck Democrats hate it, which makes me love it all the more.
Hopefully we get to tell them to get in line or they’re a Trump lover at some point.
After all the right-wing Neoliberals I’ve voted for over the years out of harm reduction to attempt to stop literal murderous fascists, it would be nice to see them eat some of that shit and vote for someone with ideals they loathe, win or lose.
She’s one of the few democrats that I would vote for president.
