Could we get a link to the game?
Edit: https://store.steampowered.com/app/2451100/Little_Rocket_Lab/
Wishlisting a game, even if you don’t plan to buy it, can increase visibility of a game in Steam.
You can also mark reviews as not helpful.
You should be free to be rude online. It’s useful to know who the rude ones are so you can avoid them. Censoring is a bad idea in this case, and I believe Valve has taken the correct stance.
Anyone gonna post the TOS or we all just gonna wave our dicks around in the comments
People defending this decision or blaming the individual mod is wild. Gabe is famously libertarian and known to encourage moderation (or rather lack thereof) in line with his libertarian worldview on Steam. This is unfortunately very much on brand for the platform and Gabe himself.
There are differences between the political stances of Libertarianism and Islam. And while those two realms of religious/social beliefs are somewhat incompatible, outright hate speech is not generally acceptable on the platform.
In this particular case, the mod should be removed.
They are not any less compatible than any other religion and liberty.
Every religion has been through phases of being more or less open to interpretation. Right now islam is undergoing reformation, which is always kind of a bloody affair, just look at the start of protestantism.
But that does mean that a whole large group of Muslims is starting to realise you can believe in god without listening to the silly parts of the texts (like what to eat) same as when Christians started allowing their people to eat pig and shrimps.
Don’t just lump these people in one big group together. Religion is one thing, politics another. I grew up around Muslims in a Nordic country, and none of them are any more religious than my grandparents were Christians (that is, exactly enough to be able to claim that they are)
They are not any less compatible than any other religion and liberty.
That’s arguable. There are some parts that align well and some core parts that the religion specifically forbids that Libretarianism demands. This is a decent reference https://eathealthy365.com/libertarianism-and-islam-a-comprehensive-compatibility-guide/
“a Muslim cannot be a philosophically consistent, “doctrinaire” libertarian without abandoning core tenets of their faith.”
It goes a long way beyond conceptually non-orthodox.
I’ve worked with Muslims for ages, looked into the religion to understand them better and I’ve worked with Libretarians and dug into that because they have a LOT to unpack.
I’d say on the whole, the Muslims have a lot stronger grasp on their religion than the Libertarians have on their core tenets.
Now that this is out of the way, would you care to comment on my point that Libertarians don’t notably support hate speech as a core tenet? Because that’s the majority of my point.
Should be easy to prove that he is in the wrong i imagine?
looks like its just a mod drunk on a bit of power rather then Valve itself.
That may be the case but it is frustrating that companies can hide behind the bad actions of those working on their behalf or are an independent subsidiary that a normal person can’t distinguish between.
Valve’s stance can be determined by their action or inaction on this.
Does this reflect Mod or the organisation? Perhaps lighting up for the organisation directly or as here, via wider social/ community discussions?
I think it’s a perfectly valid review. It is stupid and racist, but that’s clearly on the reviewer and not the developer.
With any rating system you’ll always get someone leaving a negative rating without valid reason. At least with this one, anyone who reads it knows they can ignore it.
The review is mean to say they don’t believe races should be in games they play. It would be like saying you don’t think X race of person should be allowed on TV. We’re trying to get past that as a society, and it’s not going to come about by coddling these racist fucks.
Are Muslims a race of their own?
Are you being pedantic, racist, or both? Asking for a friend.
Are you stupid? Muslim is not a race. Saying that doesn’t make me a racist. Also I have parents who are Muslim and I don’t consider them a different race then me, a non-believer.
Ohh big man with the insults. Nice, tough, macho.
Got more in you, need to flex on me some more?
lol says the guy who calls people racist over a disagreement
ohh also, big man, where did I call you a racist, I can’t seem to find that.
There you go, that’s ovbiously the takeaway from Libretarians and Muslims have differences and there shouldn’t be hate speech in the forum.
You are a saint, let me tell ya’ll
It’s a valid review until some people start saying same thing for Christians and Jews and suddenly the policy will change to “minimize spreading hate”.
have you any exemple of that or it s just pure speculation on your part ?
I still agree that this falls under hate speech and should be removed for that reason.
I just don’t think that there is any other reason for its removal, so Steam keeping there is at least consistent for now.
The only thing we cannot afford to tolerate is intolerance itself.
I used to work for a company that made blinds that people could order online and would then have to put up themselves and one person left a negative review because they dropped the set of blinds on their head while trying to install it.
The owner was delighted because it was such a stupid 1 star review. Anyone reading it would just laugh at the person leaving the review and wouldn’t think negatively of the company.
Of course the problem is that the review influences the overall score, and people won’t know why the poor review, they’ll just know that the number is impacted.
Of course, that says, if that is someone’s review, they can just only or make something up to have that impact… only hope is for things to be well under the lizardman’s constant.
I think steam top and tails the reviews, so if anything is way out of range it doesn’t count towards the score, or at least it’s impact is reduced. It not as simple as an average of the scores.
You people are the modern version of jobless housewives. Some random dev baits for simpathy points and everyone bites, hook line and sinker. As far as we know, those are bots from a guerrilla marketing company and not organic reviews. Don’t feed the trolls with attention, it only broadcasts their message!
Any evidence to support your claims?
its not a claim, its asserted as a plausible explanation for factsthats, uh, what a claim is. my bad.
So it is a claim then. Because there’s no actual evidence that the scenario being suggested is happening. Sure it’s possible it’s happening but no actual evidence. Therefore the best it can be is a claim.
Like words have meaning you know. You can’t just decide they don’t because it’s inconvenient for your particular narrative.
Some random dev baits for simpathy points
its asserted as a plausible explanation for facts
Holy mother of strawman, In which world is that not a claim?
How did he reach to these “facts” without claiming it?
what a brain dead take
plenty enough bigotry in the US alone to think this is real before some dev con job
I don’t like Christians
For clarification… People named Christian, people of Christian belief, or both?
People named Christian have been good people in my life. So far…
I don’t like anyone that wants to make laws based on their favorite fairytale.
Jesus Fucking Christ christians can be so freaking annoying sometimes
thats okay! as long as your bullying no one
I don’t think I could if I tried lol. Maybe I’m weak or maybe that’s just empathy.
Edit: I actually don’t hate any Christian people that I know. I’ve never personally met someone that wished me ill or treated me badly because of their religious faith. I also live in a fairly conservative area of California with plenty of MAGA flags around. Even my MAGA neighbors smile and wave at me. I’m brown with a large beard too. I’m lucky is what I’m getting at. I know a lot of places aren’t as accepting as my home. I feel for those that don’t feel comfortable leaving their homes (or even in their homes)
Based dev and I wishlistrd that game because it looks fun and I want to support them for the response alone, but I think I kind of agree with that decision, or can at least see where it’s coming from. Disliking a game for its political message seems entirely valid to me, if someone made an otherwise amazing game but the message is “hitler was great actually”, I’d like to be able to negatively review that. And since it’s not review bombing but actual individual idiots, it shouldn’t have a big impact wrt to the ratio. If anything I read a review like that and become more interested in the game. Allowing it at least keeps them honest.
Though “it has muslims” as a negative review reason still seems like it should be removed just for being racist (or if i were to give the reviewer way more benefit of the doubt than they deserve, sounding racist. I guess in theory they could just not like religions in games, but let’s be real they’d love if it were christians instead).
Its a “valid,” review in that it does describe how they dont like the game and why, and hinestpy thats better than 90% of reviews. However, and this is a big however, racists should not get a pass and should be banned and removed for being racist. We should not brook these type of people and especially not give them a platform. It only makes things worse. Stamp the problem out with prejudice.
Problem is that “Hitler” is an individual while “Muslim” is multiple groups of people all with different views.
Also yeah it’s usually used as synonym for “brown people.”
So the hypothetical wouldn’t be okay if we changed hitler to nazis since that’s a group of hitlers.
Out of all the things to get mad about this is wild.
Don’t be mad about YOUR thing, be mad about MY thing! MY thing MEATTERS!! 1!1!
Have you been on steam at all in the last decade? A review saying “this game is woke and has muslims” in it is so mild. Its not 2014 anymore.
L take
It would be interesting to test with other groups of people. For example, when happens if all my review says is “I don’t like jews” or “I don’t like Americans/Russians/Chinese people”.
Wouldn’t a more comparable test be “I don’t like Christians” or “I don’t like vegans”? If they say Jews it’s often racist, not about their personal beliefs.
“Muslims” is often used in a racist way to mean brown people, not just refer to a religious group. “Jews” is used in the same way, to refer to an ethnic group as often as a religion.
The two are used by racists in almost the exact same way. “Christians” are mainly white, so racists dont often attack them at all, especailly since a large contingent of the racists are christian.
Is that a US thing? I’ve never seen that use in Europe (yet?)
You’ve never seen “Jews” used to refer to the ethnic group… in europe?
The “Chinese” one, I’m seeing it more and more from western reviewers.
So long as you’re equal opportunity with your hate it’s good to go.
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Where is the text of the actual review? I dont know about you but the only text I can see on that image is the word Muslim, nothing else. Maybe not getting the best quality image or something but it’s still really hard to read.
(Edit)Nvmd the quality is better on the bluesky version, dunno what op/lemmy did here.
It’s in the Blue Sky message when you click on it.
I felt it was important to provide the whole chain untouched.
Here is the Muslim one
what a fucking chad developer.
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I zoomed in and read carefully. Don’t bother. He’s calling it “woke”, implying that his problem is just with Islam specifically.
Yeah i zoomed in, I think the quality got degraded by lemmy either on upload or download
Weird , looks fine on my end.
Must be client side then
Copy the link of the image. You see the bit at the end of the url that says
?format=webp? Change that to?format=png.Lemmy often doesn’t show images in original quality unless specifically requested to.
Edit: which is fair, because the lossy webp is 51 kb vs 513 for the png. Compressed for longer, it could be a 265 kb lossless jxl though. Once Mozilla and Google finally add support (which is actually happening now!). It could also be a 322 kb lossless avif. All of these aren’t max effort, just the effort that takes about 6 seconds on Image Toolbox on my phone
Lossily, avif > webp > mozjpeg > jxl > jpegli for this image, although I think this is just because jxl and jpegli use the same perpetual tuning method which must not favor dark areas. Which might be good for most images but certainly is terrible for this one. It certainly is much better at the bright areas. Mozjpeg vs jxl -> lossless webp (equivalent compressed size)
Note that all of the lossless formats would have been much smaller if the original screenshot in the mastodon post was lossless
Looks like someone forgot what quotation marks mean.
Who?
he’s pointing out that the quotation is not exact to what the review said, but like it was a twitter post or something, and the quotated meaning was spot on anyways, so he’s being pedantic for no good reason.
the reviewer is part of the ‘media should not comment on politics’ crowd who considers a persons race or nationality, as long as it’s not the same as theirs, to be a political statement in of its self.
so a moral-less class-less racist loser
…being pedantic for no good reason
Nuance has meaning. While I don’t agree with the political statement the reviewer was making, it is not the same statement OP was accusing them of (though by implication, the reviewer likely does hate muslims).
This isn’t the Oxford comma where genuine misunderstandings are unlikely—using quotes incorrectly is dishonest. It isn’t pedantry to look at a quote and take it to be a direct attribution.
“nobody thought I was direct quoting when I said that you are just being pedantic” - Affidavit
Looks like you forgot that prescriptivism belongs in textbooks, you boreish snob
Looks like you forgot that prescriptivism belongs in textbooks, you boreish snob. Also, I pooped my pants.
It isn’t just text books where quotes are used. People understand quotation marks to mean they are direct quotes. Using them incorrectly in this manner is dishonest. The person OP is complaining about is clearly a douche, but given the context, Valve is not (quite) as bad as they imply by refusing to remove the review.
Go clean yourself up.
Looks like someone forgot language is made by the speakers
