LMAO.
Finish the book George.
No.
Let it die.
Fuck off.
“we have game of thrones at home”
badposting is thataway
Genuinely amazing that this is not the fakenews comm.
Game of Thrones: The Revenge of Hot Pie
Ulysses in shambles
it is 2025 and we are gambo posting
Executives will never let a milkable IP die
I’m gonna Tuggypost so fucking hard when I wake up tomorrow, you won’t believe.
I’m scared to ask what Tuggyposting is. It sounds lewd. Don’t tuggy on my posts.
Please do
Please do it in the form of a trilogy of shitty novels.
I had to step back cup my chin and reflect on why I understood this comment with no ambiguity.
can we get a proper conclusion first
My personal theory is that Game of Thrones Season 7-8 was actually how ASOIF was supposed to end and George RR Martin just gave up after seeing how universally reviled they were. Back when Season 8 came out we had been waiting 8 years for Winds of Winter which wasn’t even that long for GRRM standards.
There’s no way that that could possibly be true. First of all, major characters/storylines that exist in the books which will influence major characters simply don’t exist in the show. Second, a giant battle with the King of the Others (a character who also doesn’t exist in the books) where the good guys are victorious the end, is completely contradictory to all of the themes of the story. One of the most consistent points of the story is that WAR IS BAD and GOOD THINGS DO NOT COME OF WAR.
To me, it feels quite clear that the Others, whatever they are and whatever they want, cannot simply be fought like a horde of nazi zombies and defeated. They want something, and they’ll need to be addressed on that level. Just like Jon dealt with the wildlings, which practically everyone in the story thought of as mindless evil monsters who should all be killed, the Others will need to be dealt with as people with desires. Personally, I think a significant plot point that would happen in the final two books if they ever happened (which they won’t) is that the Others were never “defeated” the first time. They signed a treaty. A treaty that, somehow, the Seven Kingdoms have now broken, which is why they’re now at war.
It’s possible those storylines were cut because they won’t affect the actual ending of the story, so while they might expand on what the actual line of events is to Bran being on the throne, it’s likely that Bran still ends on the throne.
That just isn’t how GRRM writes, though. He doesn’t have an ending of the story. That is derived from where the characters end up as he naturally writes what they would do in the various situations in which they find themselves. He tries to have vague outlines, and then he throws them out when his characters deviate from those outlines.
All of the characters and storylines will affect the ending of the story because the ending of the story is made of those characters and storylines running their course.
But isn’t that the entire PR around how D&D got the TV rights? That they knew how the story was going to end?
Sure, they got George’s vague outlines. Same way as if they had made their adaptation before the fourth book released they would’ve had a huge timeskip based on George’s “plan” that never happened.
A pilot was shot for a spinoff called Bloodmoon starring Naomi Watts that was gonna explain the origins and all the lore behind The Others/White Walkers. GRRM was gonna produce it and provide all the lore. HBO decided to cancel the project so I guess that lore will never be explored. Perhaps the lore for that wouldn’t have lined up with the show so they felt it made no sense to go on.
The only thing in that ending that made sense to me was Jon Snow being the prophesied Messiah of two ancient bloodlines taking a vibe check of Southron politics and going fuck it, I’m just going to leave and go north, kay thanks bye.
A better writer could have used the creative criticism to write Winds of Winter and a Dream of Spring better than he had planned.
Also, it’s this guy:
“Life is very full of sex, or should be. As much as I admire Tolkien - and I do, he was a giant of fantasy and a giant of literature, and I think he wrote a great book that will be read for many years - you do have to wonder where all those Hobbits came from, since you can’t imagine Hobbits having sex, can you? Well, sex is an important part of who we are. It drives us, it motivates us, it makes us do sometimes very noble things and it makes us do sometimes incredibly stupid things. Leave it out, and you’ve got an incomplete world.”
so maybe asking for better writing is a bit too tall an order.
I do think sex is a valid driving force of writing though. It doesn’t need to be called sex though nor does it need particularly long scenes or anything, lust and love is all over good writing. Insecurities and crashouts and total mental breakdowns from relationships are the primary driving force of years or decades of some people’s lives.
Yes, but does the fact that he can’t personally imagine hobbit sex constitute a world-building hole? It seems like a hollow criticism coming from someone with two entire novel-sized holes in his writing. I think you’re absolutely right that sex is a completely valid driving force, but the absence of it in a story with plenty of other completely valid character motivations doesn’t mean a world is incomplete. Tolkien didn’t need to write about sex, because that aspect of the world is assumed like so many other things. Physics aren’t explained, even if it might be different. Dental hygiene isn’t explained. Currency is referenced, but exchange rates aren’t. The value of gold is implied, but it doesn’t seem to have a reference for its relative worth. None of the story suffers from it.
It just seems like a nitpicky thing for GRRM to talk about for any reason other than to justify why he includes so much sex in his writing that doesn’t always have a narrative reason to be there, other than the fact that he was probably horny while he was writing, and on top of that, the way he phrased it is really weird.
Depends on how grounded in a dirty reality you want your fantasy writing too really. Tolkien’s writing a pretty clean fantasy world whereas GRRM writes a pretty dirty reality of mud blood and filth. What are the orcs doing to women in villages they capture in Tolkien’s world? What are human soldiers doing on a war march for months on end? Probably not abstaining from the local brothels but they also don’t exist in Tolkien’s world when they obviously would. Tolkien was never writing for that kind of grounded realism because it would’ve limited the audience of his books. He probably could write that though.
GRRM’s world is more medieval and human. Tolkien’s world is more fantasy than medieval. Just different styles really, almost different genres. Black Sails is similar in the sense that it is grounded and human whereas Pirates of the Caribbean is fantasy. GRRM’s work belongs alongside Black Sails more than the fantasy.
That makes a lot of sense.
you can’t imagine Hobbits having sex, can you?
lmao this guy doesn’t even imagine hobbit sex
Samwise had like thirteen kids. Hobbits fucked.
Don’t know what he’s talking about, the hobbits take a bath together in LOTR: the book.
this reminded me of the gross-ass
SV
removed fantasy sex scene where it wasn’t revealed to the reader she was fine with it for awhile
that he wrote. that disconfited me enough to remember it after all this time
It’s absolutely wild that his go-to unsexy Tolkien people are hobbits rather than elves
I mean the hobbits are twee little br*tish townsfolk. Even if you could imagine them having sex you would immediately want to burn it out of your mind before they start summoning all the repulsive br*tish slang for sex organs and whatnot too and you start to lose your lunch.
I’m sure he would’ve written it out better, but yeah I think a lot of main plot points are his sort of skeleton for the end of the story (honestly I still think a lot of Aryas story was completely made up, though). And also yeah I think he’s seen the reaction to it and it’s just killed any creative desire to finish the series
I think he’s just bored. The next book was supposed to come out before season 5 ended. He started writing the series in 1991, first published it in 1996, then wrote sequels between 2 and 6 years apart from each other. I think he doesn’t really care about the main plot anymore after spending the last 20-something years on it. He wants to tell other stories about the world he created, but he has all these fucking fans wanting a conclusion to the story.
The ending to season 7~8 was his half-assed attempt. If the fans liked it, he’d go ahead and publish what he has. If not, fuck 'em because then Georgie is gonna move on.
As far Im aware he only told them who would end up on the Iron throne which is the only major plot point of season 7 and 8 that can easily make any logical sense in the book
I’m pretty sure he gave them his whole intended ending. I know I’ve read somewhere that he provided them with all his notes and sat them down and told them where everyone ends up. I think Dany’s fate in the show is taken directly from his notes. She was probably meant to grow increasingly obsessed with conquering and morally ambiguous as she considers what the “cost” of the iron throne is but the show didn’t have time for all that build-up so she just snaps.
I’m perfectly okay with the ending in the show, at least the major plot points, I just think they needed more time to actually get there. I think most people I’ve met are like that. So if that’s the ending he wants, fuck 'em, just write it, George. Just, you know, write it better lol.
The man will do anything except write more asoiaf.
He painted my parents house last weekend. I think he said he is going to be taking a correspondence course in VCR repair next, but its going to be in Korean so he has to learn that first.
He gave up on that years ago.
At least the Septon Meribald speech was printed, that’s a lovely bit of writing from the Brienne chapters. Just rest on that and your giant pile of HBO money, George
You know what? Sure, I’ll take more slop
Open you mouth little piggy
My snout descends
What?
