Bob_Odenkirk [none/use name]

yeah, fully believe that someone could get the tat by accident, but there’s no no chance that during his decade of war criming a nazi army/merc buddy didn’t see it in the shower and tell him it was cool

You’re underestimating Chinese capabilities. I’ve chatted to cops before while they’re stood there in the street with their ipads showing multiple local security cameras with facial recognition tracking squares floating all over the screen. There’s no hiding, in urban areas at least.

Again, tech is tech, and who is behind the camera is most important - for one you don’t get shit like “cops not bothering to show up” because they’re legally obliged to show up and help you - but Chinese tech is just real good and I can’t see how it’s not a crime deterrent.

Your police force serves the bourgeoisie, China’s serves the nation and the people. It’s not the funding that matters, it’s the direction they’re being pointed.

the opportunity is presenting itself and the person is simply going for it.

But CCTV limits the opportunity, no? If I’m walking down a dark street in London there’s an easy opportunity to steal my phone and get away with it. In Shanghai the opportunity isn’t the same because the thief will get caught if they try it. Same reason why that kind of crime is more likely anywhere in the world to take place on a quieter street at night than a high street in broad daylight.

Honestly I’ll go looking for studies because it just doesn’t compute to me that surveillance doesn’t work, and if it doesn’t work why would states like China invest in such extensive networks? Interesting topic though, if you’ve got any recommended reading I’d appreciate it!

That’s absolutely a massive factor, but China must feel there’s some value in mass surveillance or they wouldn’t do it.

And like, China still has poor people, and people who do try less-ethical means of making money. Scam call centres are still a problem as they’re less traceable, so I still feel there’s some credit in the idea that cameras on the streets keep the streets safer. If you mugged someone for their phone in China, there’s a 0% you won’t be caught, so people don’t even think about it.

I guess I might question if western studies might not apply to a very different Chinese society, but that’s interesting to hear.

From what I’ve heard the mass-surveilled China of today is much safer than the less technologically savvy China of 15 or 20 years ago, but that could definitely just be a perception thing as you say; I’ve never seen actual crime stats. Of course other factors are involved too regardless of surveillance.

It works if you have a fair and effective police force to back it up. See China; massively surveilled but incredibly safe and petty-crime free.

Americans are so desperate for any chance of redemption they’ll grasp at even the most rotten of straws.

Obviously the one who went to kick the Yankees out of north Korea.

*Enterprising not in the sense of financial enterprise

Ehh, it’d mean that for a lot of CPC members I’ve met.

‘Society’ as in human life itself.

It’s not like AES countries don’t ban personal WMDs.

Well kinda yeah, any real functional society would and probably should take pretty serious measures to limit living super-weapons.

They’re not ‘different’ in the way that different humans are different, they’re potentially an existential threat to society.

now this is goodposting

No idea how they enforce it but it works.

Shanghai’s pretty quiet. They banned car horns and there are so many electric cars and busses you don’t really get engine noise either.

SEA or India makes China feel tranquil imo.

Chinese people knew how corrupt China was in the Jiang/Hu eras, and while they certainly weren’t happy about it they weren’t overthrowing the government then. Now in a time of considerably less corruption thanks to Xi’s efforts some magical exposure of the corruption that still exists would probably just lead to people shrugging and saying “at least it’s better than 20 years ago”.

I don’t understand giving an award to people who haven’t achieved anything. Like even by right-wing ghoul standards, this is a participation trophy while Maduro’s government still stands.

I don’t think even leftist, anti-zionists Israelis would want military invasion against themselves, knowing all the hurt it would bring. You’ve got to be especially insulated to be able to handle the Iraq treatment, something only right-wing, state department-aligned ghouls will be.

I wish only bad luck on you, I’m afraid.

ok slaver