Tbh i was looking forward to engaging in some debate with them.
did they break any actual rules or is it just because they’re MAGA?
Edit: Before you angrily comment below (as so many have done so far) please keep in mind that this is a feddit.uk meta community and i am specifically asking the question to feddit.uk mods/admins and inviting discussion from feddit.uk users.
if you are not a feddit.uk user then this entire conversation DOES NOT AFFECT YOU. I have yet to hear from anyone who actually is a feddit.uk user Admin response here
There is no debate to had with them. Facts mean nothing to these people
i’d still like to try
even if only for the entertainment value
And you think an entire instance should have to be exposed to that trash for your amusement? Maybe you might fit in better over there.
I think discourse is helpful. Horrible ideas tend to fester if left in echo chambers.
If you’re only here to talk to like minded individuals you might as well talk to a mirror
You might as well talk to a brick wall for as much as you’ll accomplish. At least my mirror is pretty.
Would be nice to hear from people on my instance that this actually affects
You don’t want to have discourse with me? Trying to make an echo chamber?
I’m just being facetious, but maga people are truly miserable to be around. At best, you’ll be casting pearls before swine. At worst, you’re advocating giving them more of a platform to be garbage people on. That latter one is bad for everybody.
Feel free to sign up to all the Nazi social media you want to, you can even go make a Shitter account.
But if you’re gonna spend your time asking why Nazi’s aren’t allowed everywhere, people are gonna start wondering if you just like Nazis…
Especially when your reasoning is basically “for the lols”
even if only for the entertainment value
Maybe you’re a kid and you didn’t know what people would assume when you to bat for nazis
The whole point of the fediverse is to be able to engage with people from other instances from your home instance. We don’t block the other end of the spectrum, grad and hexbear remain available from this instance despite them advocating for various past and present authoritarian regimes and conductors of crimes against humanity.
I wear my badges from them with pride
If you want to block the whole instance you’re welcome to, from your own account.
Don’t make my decisions for me, I’ll talk to whomever i want to, and i should be able to do so from my home instance, as the Fediverse was designed to do
nobody is stopping you from talking to nazis. you can talk to nazis if you want to. you just cant use this
platformfederated network to talk to nazis. you need to go out of your way to talk to nazis here, by design.edit: “there is no other way out of this mess” you sweet summer child
Don’t make my decisions for me
Literally no one is…
If you dont like it, go make an account on maga.place itself?
Why should everyone else have to deal with fascists because you want them around?
And literally no one was talking about, and especially not defending hexbear. They’re not “the other end of the spectrum” they’re all rightwing authoritarians, they just tell different lies to people about it.
Don’t make my decisions for me, I’ll talk to whomever i want to, and i should be able to do so from my home instance, as the Fediverse was designed to do
From what you’re saying…
Every instance would have to federate with everyone…
You might find an instance that wants to do that. Or you can make your own and beg instances to federate with you I do t think you’ll get 100% tho
It seems you’re so upset because you don’t understand how this works or what it’s for
Literally no one is…
Apart from whoever added maga.place to the defed list for feddit.uk (for the record, i’m not asserting that that was the wrong decision, just querying the reason behind it)
If you do t like it, go make an account on maga.place itself?
- i shouldn’t have to
- for the same reason i left lemmy.ml, i am less subject to their (almost certainly shitty) moderation policies from a remote instance than i am from theirs
Why should everyone else have to deal with fascists because you want them around?
You don’t have to. you have it within your power to block communities and instances in your account settings.
From what you’re saying… Every instance would have to federate with everyone…
yes, this is how lemmy works.
Or you can make your own and beg instances to federate with you I do t think you’ll get 100% tho
by default (as i understand it) everyone is federated. instance admins have to manually defederate if they want to. hence this post from me, a feddit.uk user asking the mods/admins in a feddit.uk meta community why they chose to make that decision.
as i understand it
Like many things it seems, you’re misunderstanding this…
If you’re nicer, and asked questions, someone else might answer them, and you’ll learn something
Like many things it seems, you’re misunderstanding this…
I have seen nothing to suggest this. please feel free to prove me wrong on that point
If you’re nicer, and asked questions
Please point out where i have been anything less than civil with anyone in the responses to my post
I did ask questions; this post was a question to the admins of my instance in a local community on my instance. It is of no concern to anyone who isn’t a feddit.uk user
If you think the ‘point’ of the Fediverse is for every server to federate with every server, no exceptions, then let me ask you a Socratic question here: Why do you think defederation exists? This is a feature that is part of the Fediverse, and it serves an important purpose.
If you think the ‘point’ of the Fediverse is for every server to federate with every server, no exceptions
At no point did i say that. De-federation should be only used where severe disruption is being caused by an instance, there are technical incompatibilities, or there is a danger of illegal content being federated across.
feddit.uk has always had a light hand when it comes to censorship, which is one of the reasons i came here after lemmy.ml
Sounds like you should look for a server that is more closely aligned with your interests. That too is a feature of the Fediverse, rather than expecting every server to do things your way.
I am not expecting every server to do things my way, i am trying to foment a discussion with other members of my instance about a top level moderation decision and presenting my viewpoint alongside that. As a somewhat regular contributor to the running costs of this instance i would like to see at least some community discussion before a decision is taken to take the drastic step of de-federation for idealistic reasons
Instead i have been dogpiled by emotional reactions and downvotes from people from other instances who have exactly zero stake in the argument since internal feddit.uk moderation decisions do not affect other instances. it’s frankly astounding that i managed to get an admin response with how buried this post got
Because it’s a troll instance and the admin is a fascist, the first rule of the instance is you “can’t disrespect the president of the United States”.
did they break any actual rules or is it just because they’re MAGA?
Yes, the admin engages in hate speech by calling being trans a mental illness (instance rule 1). The instance was also nothing but links to misinformation sources (instance rule 4) and people trying to ‘troll the magas’ when I added them to the defed list.
If you want to waste your energy debating magaheads, there’s always [email protected].
Thank you for answering the question
debate with them.
Lol
For starters, fuck magats. But accounts are free, make one on a different instance that hasn’t blocked them.
I shouldn’t have to.
that’s exactly what you should have to do because that’s how federation works.
No, having to join multiple websites to converse with people on those websites is how traditional social media works.
Being able to talk with people on one instance of a website from a different instance of a website is how federation works
if you are not a feddit.uk user then this entire conversation DOES NOT AFFECT YOU
Tell me, again, how does federation work?
Each instance has it’s own block list. the admins of feddit.uk decide what does and doesn’t go on the feddit.uk block list.
The admins/users of feddit.uk have no say on what is or isn’t on the lemmy.world block list
Ergo this conversation does not affect you. the fact that this post federated over to your instance is moot
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Feddit.uk-er here.
Fuck having any of that brain rot maga bullshit showing up here!
flamingos-cant has absolutely made the right call de-federating from that fascist drivel instance.
No tolerance for the intolerant!
Anyone not agree? Then fuck you too!
Intolerance for the intolerant does not have to be enforced with defederation, and unless their users are actively causing problems outside their instance or they are hosting illegal content i would argue shouldn’t be enforced with defederation.
I am of the opinion that the better way of dealing with these types is speaking to them, and challenging their points. you might not be able to convert the ones already there, but you can present the other side of the argument to others who have yet to be sucked in.
They have a grand total of 19 users. it’s not like they’re not vastly outnumbered. Shutting them off and not challenging their views will only lead to them growing
Can’t tell if you’re a flag-waver or just naive.
Their whole identity is an offense to humanity.
yup, and their numbers continue to grow
recoiling in disgust whenever one opens their mouth just seems to feed into their victim complex
I love being able to block stupid people.
you do you babe
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Is that the instance run by that donaljmusk cunt?
The whole reason he created the instance is because he got banned from everywhere else.
