At 18 seconds into this speech Trumps Pinky disappears under his hand and his ring finger ‘becomes’ his pinky. This is clearly AI.
At the same time as the hand glitch, the window glitches above to be different. Someone in another thread mentioned a heavy AI filter on him. I think I agree with that. If you speed up the video and no sound, you can see his mouth is obviously fake. It’s probably to hide the stroke, mouth droop.
and the cadaver hands
There is such a thing as stroke hand. Ironically, it looks like when he was making fun of the disabled journalist.
Hijacking top post again, to point out the red flags
- 🚩OP posted ABC official video with custom made post title to suit his narrative
- 🚩OP used a software AI detector (made by AI unbeknownst to them) to tell that this video is ~70% chance of being AI, not their own expertise or critical thinking
- 🚩 OP is misdirecting the audience by making them focus on a specific part to support their narrative instead of letting the video speak for itself.
- 🚩 all the anomalies happen around the 0:19 timestamp. The blur in the tree leaves in the window, the face/mouth movement and the hands. Occam’s razor would tell you this is a classic cross dissolve.
There’s no such thing as an AI filter on this. It’s plain old video editing. He misspoke as I explained below.
I want this guy gone and out of our lives as much as the next guy, but if we lose our critical thinking skills and will begin with these herd upvote stampedes without even considering OP might be trying to steer the narrative, we lose a lot of credibility with potential (new high quality) users.
This seems to be posted on a fringe instance on a poorly moderated community, hence me going hard against this, as I don’t think reporting this post with help. So please downvote this post.
There is an “AI powered” cross dissolve that can be done to hide jump cuts in long takes.
Google “Morph Cut in Premiere Pro”
This is a pretty assinine take
- you’re not rebutting this.
- does this program work or not? You’re making an ad hominem attack rather providing any insight into whether this detector is or is not effective or why
- op is offering supporting evidence for their position. Is this evidence valid or not? What the fuck does “let the video speak for itself” mean? If you don’t agree with evidence argument with your own
- occam’s razor states that the simpelst explanation is usually the correct one. It is a broadly applicable maxim to help one think critically. If this is or is not a cross dissolve then show fucking evidence. Make arguments.
Jfc
You’re fighting hard against a well reasoned set of points. The only evidence possible here is looking at it with your eyes.
This isn’t what reason looks like. Reason is supported by arguments and evidence.
And your reading comprehension is truly awful if you think I’m fighting for anything. These are not well reasoned points. I am not arguing against them or for them, I am not arguing for the op or against the op.
Lol sure thing
I am not arguing against them or for them
ok, and the OP just wrote to me he doesn’t care either way. That’s the problem. You and OP are just apathetic muppets bored out of your mind, no strong beliefs either way, but don’t mind accidentally spreading misinformation.
If you don’t care, what are you doing on this platform arguing? You realise there are more people on Reddit you can troll right? We’re trying something different here.
And I’m out. Later.
I have in the other comment thread. This is an echo chamber where people are clearly not open to factual discussion.
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This is a classic cross dissolve
Edit: a better one created by someone else.
That looks much more like a cut. There is a technique blended cuts that interpolates between two similar shots to disguise the cut. That seems to be a much more likely explanation than AI hands, because it only happens for that one moment. And not before and after. His posture also shifts significantly at the same time.
There are many techniques to create and manipulate images and videos. It’s not always AI. Those don’t look like AI hands.
It doesn’t have to be that hard even. Just a simple cross dissolve, the most basic video editing tool will accomplish what you see.
On the second one, my phone allows me to scrub the timeline and you can see his whole right arm is spliced from two separate moments in time. The folds on the sleeve magically shift, so it’s clear he moved and this has been edited.
I don’t think the full clip is AI. But this is a lot of extra effort to edit a trivial scene for someone whose job it is to talk all day. Why go to all the length? Would anyone care if they just had a cut in there? Would that be so suspicious otherwise?
Yep
- Can be explained with normal editing
- Occam’s razor
- OP appears to be a sensationalist person posting an ABC video with a self made title pushing their own opinion
I really wish these people had stayed on Reddit, they are destroying the platform. Not to mention the mindless upvotes, because “Trump” + “AI” = upvote.
Occam’s razor
So in your opinion, the simplest explanation is that they went out of their way to try and disguise a cut for -some reason- rather than they just used deepfake tech? Ok, well that’s fine that is your opinion, but to jump from “I came to a different conclusion than you” to “OMG OP is a Sensationalist pushing an Agenda and they are literally DESTROYING LEMMY!” is quite the stretch my guy. You seem to have a more sensationalist take than me from my pov.
Not to mention the mindless upvotes, because “Trump” + “AI” = upvote.
Why are you so hung up on upvotes? Can you buy anything with them? Maybe people aren’t ‘mindlessly’ up-voting things- maybe they see the same things I do. You ever think of that? It seems like you just think everything that doesn’t agree with you is wrong and bad.
If you have some proof of what you are saying I am perfectly open to hearing it and I will edit my post- until then its just so much wind.
I’ve outlined everything in the other thread. You’re not going to change your mind, I’ve had hundreds of conversations with people like you before. You can’t be convinced or admit you’re wrong. But maybe (I hoped) you could be persuaded to change your post title.
The upvotes are what people see. It give this exposure and spreads wrong information. Factually proven wrong information. If you want a discussion that’s fine. That’s what Lemmy is for. What you’re doing is disingenuous by posting a post title with 100% certainty and a link to an ABC video making it sound like a news organisation said this.
You’re not going to change your mind, I’ve had hundreds of conversations with people like you before. You can’t be convinced or admit you’re wrong. But maybe (I hoped) you could be persuaded to change your post title.
I definitely could be persuaded to change my mind- but I’m certainly not going to do it just because some rando with an agenda who claims to be an expert and tells me that it’s so with no proof.
Factually proven wrong information.
You haven’t factually proven anything, and that is a fact.
a link to an ABC video making it sound like a news organisation said this.
What kind of moron would conclude that because of my post title, the video which has a completely different title and makes no such claim agrees with me? That makes zero sense.
The explanation of why this post should be taken down, or the title changed to “… is probably not AI” is in my comment below that’s getting downvoted by the echo chamber.
I get that everyone wants to prove to others and themselves that they know how to spot an AI fake, and I get that he regularly uses over the top AI for trolling purposes (mostly to distract from the [email protected], but it doesn’t help Lemmy if we’re going to start just calling things fake that aren’t. That’s what Reddit is for.
I don’t think so. I think this is many takes edited together and we all know AI has been pushed into editing software so it’s orobably been used to smooth the cuts.
On top of that you can see the reflection if the teleprompter scrolling in the reflection.
Yep, using AI to confirm or deny another AI?
Sorry, I have no reason to trust either side, it’s all a load of AI shit.
I think the AI in the name AI Video Detector is referring to the fact that it detects AI, not that it is AI. I’m not sure though, it’s just the first free one that popped up.
If you know of one that is more reliable or that you trust more I’d be happy to run the video through there- or you can.
I didn’t really need a 3rd party site to tell me that the video is sus- it’s pretty clear just by looking at it.
My archives are before 2009, well before AI services were even a thing.
I’m also not going to make my archives publicly available, I don’t feel like getting shot anytime soon…
Trump is dead they’re just weekend-at-bernies-ing him
Well, there’s reason to believe he just had a major stroke. Saw a lost here on Lemmy about it, actually; has a picture of his face from that, and one side is very beautiful drooping down.
Saw a lost here on Lemmy about it
Peak human evolution:
- cant use hyperlinks
- saw something somewhere
- spell check? “Ah, they’ll know what I mean”
🤞
Yea, this AI. It’s jumpy and weird as fuck.
Im calling it now, Trump has has a stroke!
Scrubbing through the video and it just looks like he lifted it quickly and set it back down
There’s a clear unblurred frame of three fingers. It’s easier to get to using the , and . keys to move frame-by-frame.
It just looks like the index finger is behind the ring finger IMO
You didn’t watch the slowed down, enlarged vid of his hand. It’s not human. I do think that it is likely video interpolation up sampling to whatever they changed it to like another commenter said.
It’s very fucked for a presidential address, regardless.
I watched the gif but went to the youtube video and scrubbed through myself frame by frame. It’s not high enough quality video with too much missing to determine. It doesn’t look even look abnormal to me. (“Doesn’t look like anything to me”)
Not again.
I’m reporting your post, as these posts are destroying Lemmy.
Either be an expert at this and talk, or understand this is a confusing time and sit back and let experts speak.
My Explainer:
I’m afraid it’s still not deepfake. It’s a fast cross dissolve cut. “Charlie was a [|] patriot”. It matches his dialogue. You can see above his head in the window that the green blur in the trees changes at the same time.
So this is clearly not AI. As many experts have pointed out, this has been happening since before AI video was a thing.
What qualifies you to be an expert?
You can see above his head in the window that the green blur in the trees changes at the same time.
Right, that’s suspicious too. What’s your explanation for the trees suddenly moving?
I’ve done this for over 2 decades.
Ok, you made a step in the right direction. The green blur is the tree changing because of the wind possibly. Could also be a light of any sort, artificial or the sun.
He said something like this on the A roll:
Charlie Kirk is a mysoginistic asshole who I used as a pawn to get more young voters to like an old fart like me
At this point, he lets one of those pungent McNugget farts rip which travels all the way outside and swings the tree branches and the light reflection in the blur of the trees.
Then he corrected himself and said:
I’m just kidding, he’s a patriot
Now in the editing room they need this to look like one take, so they cut off all the text in italics and ‘glued’ it together.
The confluence of the cut at that point in the dialogue, the hand movement looking odd and the change of the tree blur in the window above him all happening at the same frame and no fingers appearing or disappearing, no other artefacts forming at other moments, points to a simple splice, cross dissolve cut to mask that he misspoke.
Let me know if you have any more questions.
Let me know if you have any more questions.
Thanks, I do have a couple.
I’ve done this for over 2 decades.
What’s “this”? If you are going to tell me spotting the difference between a deepfake and real footage I am going to be seriously impressed-and I’ll have more questions.
The green blur is the tree changing because of the wind possibly.
The green blur doesn’t do a quick cut though like you are saying happened with his hands. It moves in a smooth manner over to it’s new position and just stays there. No ‘bounce back’ no swaying- it just quickly moves and stays in its new location. Now I’m not expert on the wind or trees- but that is definitely not the behavior I’ve noticed when the wind blows tree branches around.
Could also be a light of any sort, artificial or the sun.
So it sounds like despite your two decades of expertise in-something- you don’t really have a clue what caused that blur to move- but you assume it’s any number of things other than a Deepfake. Wouldn’t a cross-dissolve of two different clips of the same scene sort of make it look like he has two pinky’s in the transition frame and not one that disappears?
Do you have an example of a scene where a cross-dissolve transition works that way?
This is video editing and video forensics.
Ok, let’s ignore that your expertise to post this, was feeding this video through an algorithmic AI detector.
To understand the tree leaves in the blur above his head, do this: watch video from the very start on normal speed with audio. Don’t look at Trump or his hands. Watch the erratic pattern of the leaf movement in the window at the location where the “suspicious” blur will happen at 0:19. Notice how it moves a little when there a slight breeze and then not at all when the wind dies down.
Notice the one time this tree blur morph happens is exactly at the same time of the hands and face/mouth anomaly and when he goes “Charlie was a … patriot”.
Sometimes it’s more expert-like to say you can’t say for sure, than being a keyboard warrior who declares absolutisms in the hunt for ego votes. It is most likely wind, based on the evidence I’ve seen, but other things like light or refractions can’t be excluded. That all does not make it AI.
A cross dissolve will work that way if it is dissolving between two identical frames.
Would you change your post title to remove the absolutism from it and turn it into a (sensationalist) question or are you going to leave it up?
Notice the one time this tree blur morph happens is exactly at the same time of the hands and face/mouth anomaly and when he goes “Charlie was a … patriot”.
Ok? I noticed all of that- it still doesn’t really explain it.
Sometimes it’s more expert-like to say you can’t say for sure,
Sure. My point is you are saying it could be A, or B, or C, or D, or E,F, or G- but it’s definitely not H because- I said so and I’m an “Expert”.
than being a keyboard warrior who declares absolutisms in the hunt for ego votes.
First of all there is nothing ‘warrior’ about my post- I’m not claiming to be some sort of badass. Secondly Idgaf about fake internet points, never have and never will. Thirdly I never claimed to be 100% certain- I laid out all the things that made me come to that conclusion. You aren’t convinced- fine- but I’m equally not convinced by your explanation or claims of being an expert.
In at least half of all discussion on the internet there has been a ‘black man’ who agrees with the white racists when discussing racism. Or some other ‘expert’ in whatever is being discussed. I’m not saying you aren’t an expert, but it seems like you would have better proof of what you are saying if you were.
A cross dissolve will work that way if it is dissolving between two identical frames.
And I asked you for an example- there should be multiple examples readily at hand to prove this point.
These are the two exact frames where the transition happens. There doesn’t appear to be any kind of ‘dissolve’ happening. One minute the pinky is there, the next it’s gone.
Out of curiosity does a ‘cross-dissolve’ also make people’s ring finger longer than their middle finger? Or is Trump just a freak like that?
In this photo Trumps ring finger on his left hand appears to be shorter than his middle finger, almost like he was a normal human.
Your post title is making a claim with absolute certainty. If you can’t see that, I can’t continue this conversation.
Your stills of the hand clearly show a cross dissolve. The problem you’re having is that this is the first time you’re looking at this kind of stuff, making you totally not an expert (which is why you boldly claim “White House uses AI” without any proof other than finding an out of context still with 3 fingers)
Since you’re so hung up on the finger stuff: the cut just so happens to align his fingers move up and rotated towards him in the two frames that are spliced. You can clearly see the leftover blur from the disappearing pinky and you can see his left hand rotated towards him causing his left pointing finger to be obscured by his left middle finger. That explains why you think the length of the finger is incorrect too. The hand simply rotated between the cut.
So forget the expert part, just look at the evidence I pointed out. The absolute zero benefit at all to Trump to “deepfake” his finger in a statement where he was about as hate-speech and on brand as he could be, should be evidence enough for you to walk away from your absolutist title of the post. But seeing how you struggle with concepts of what constitutes an expert, and don’t understand that your post title is very much a claim that you are 100% certain, I’ll leave it this.
Your post title is making a claim with absolute certainty. If you can’t see that, I can’t continue this conversation.
My post title is stating what I (still) believe to be true. I’m not going to qualify every statement I believe to be true with weasel words in the off chance I am wrong, just to please pedants who like to make a big deal over every word uttered online. I am a human being and capable of making mistakes- and If I see proof that I have made a mistake then I will admit it. If that’s not good enough for you then please don’t continue this conversation.
Your stills of the hand clearly show a cross dissolve.
The stills of the hand clearly show that the jacket and shirt are in the EXACT same position in the two frames and the only things that look fucky are his hand and fingers. What are the odds that Trump was able to position himself so precisely? I don’t buy it.
That explains why you think the length of the finger is incorrect too.
No, it doesn’t- at all. I am saying in the FIRST picture BEFORE the cut his ‘ring’ finger is clearly longer than his ‘middle’ finger. I even made sure to check and see if he wasn’t some sort of a freak that just happened to have a longer ring finger than normal- did you even look at that pic?
The absolute zero benefit at all to Trump to “deepfake” his finger
And what was the benefit of trying to hide the cut in either scenario? They clearly did that- whether through ‘traditional’ editing or AI- so that point doesn’t mean anything.
But seeing how you struggle with concepts of what constitutes an expert
I don’t ‘struggle’ with who or what is an expert- I’ve just been around long enough to know not to immediately trust every Tom, Dick, or Harry who claims to be one. Judging by your defensiveness and your inability to provide ANY sources to back up your claims- I don’t think it’s unreasonable to continue to doubt- unless there is some other way you could prove your credentials.
If you had simply got on and said “Hey, I happen to work in video forensics and I think this is just simply a clever editing trick that doesn’t use AI”, I might have been more inclined to think you might know what you are talking about, but it seems like you have issues that go far beyond simply disagreeing with my conclusion, so forgive me for being skeptical- or don’t. I don’t really care one way or the other.
Sounds like you let LLMs write your shitposts. Fuck off
Lol, let’s have a look at my post history then shall we. Reddit still accepts new accounts btw, you’re welcome to spew your vitriol there.
Ok. Are you open to learn critical thinking skills? From a human?
- you uploaded a random clip which is a cropped clip from the original.
- you are using a random AI check tool that has somehow more credibility than multiple human video editors?
- you are uploading one false positive with this tool, and have not conducted any A-B testing to see if it falsely flags clips we know not to be deepfake?
I’m sure you mean well, but these actions disqualify you from making an assessment. In a way, you are not making an assessment. Just like the OP and another apologist, you don’t have the time or want to make the effort to add your own assessment, you just post a screenshot which vaguely tells people OP was right and leave it at that.
Find the Charlie Kirk shooting video. Find Trump’s assassination attempt video. Don’t clip or crop it, and run it through the same tool and post your results here.
And your hyperbole is beneficial to the community?
No. No it is not.
hyperbole Citation needed
No, it really isn’t, but since you insist:
I’m reporting your post, as these posts are destroying Lemmy.
Destroying your enjoyment of the platform, perhaps. But frankly, judging from the pretentious tone of your writing, I very seriously doubt that you’d be missed should you conclude that Lemmy has been “destroyed”.
This not being AI has been disproven on 3 separate posts already. The majority of them removed by moderators, because they agree it is bad for the platform.
If that’s hyperbole for you, I hope you’re prepared to discover who’s currently in the White House for his second and everlasting term.
Lol.
Try again. I didn’t say a single thing about the video. I did point out the specific line in your reply that was classic hyperbole.
I didn’t say a single thing about the video
Yes. If you want to derail a post and get paid by the GRU, you’ll need to learn to hijack the higher comments, and use a more prolific platform like Reddit.
