Did everyone notice how this election wiped out all the previous leaders and now we’re faced with being introduced to a new crowd of political leaders.
Elizabeth May with the Green Party is the only one still standing.
As someone who typically votes NDP, I’m fine with the idea. I didn’t especially dislike Singh, but I didn’t especially like him either.
Of course I don’t especially like Carney either but he was the safest choice to block PP and he did.
I want to see an NDP federal government someday, but Singh wasn’t really resonating with many people. Hopefully whoever fills the spot inspires more confidence.
They supported the Liberals when they broke up union strikes, and when they did mass immigration after the cost of living exploded and we finally had wage pressure.
What is the point of the NDP at that point, just to prevent white people from speaking at rallies?
A neighbor from the south would like to send his congratulations. Thank you for not following in our footsteps!
Every position of power needs term limits.
We can not allow our politicians to get comfortable ever.
It always leads to corruption
“Politics should not be a lifelong career, and elected officials should not be allowed to fix themselves in the halls of power of a nation… Therefore, I would institute a limit of two terms for members of Parliament” - Pierre Poilievre 1999
Term limits are artificial. You like lame ducks?
I like leashed dogs
Conservative is just another word for fascist
What the fuck. Clear your head. No it isn’t. But fascists support right wing parties.
Yes it is. Conservatives have shown time and time again that they will vote and cheer for fascism if conditions are bad enough.
You are part of the problem. The normalization of conservative politics leads directly to fascism.
The founders of conservative ideology, people like Burke and DeMaistre, were literally monarchists. Conservatism has always been an attempt to whitewash and justify tyranny.
Can you elaborate? Like what specifically was monarchist and tyrannical?
Hey, don’t minimise fascism like that. We basically wouldn’t be here if that was true.
Hey, don’t aggrandize Conservatism like that.
It and facism have strong ideological ties in that they both take root in the idea of a ruling monarchy, which is how we actually got here.
The only difference between it and the big F are how many people are in actual control, and how overt they are about removing civil rights.
We’ve had Conservative governments nearly half the time. Somehow democracy and progress continued. Fascism doesn’t have ideas so much as it’s the antithesis of compromise and democracy.
They’re both right-wing, but there’s a huge difference between going to mosque and ISIS, or trusting the police and thinking they shouldn’t have to follow any rules.
Conservative is what, auth-right…right?
Which is militant and hierarchical, without rights for anyone but those at the top. With dissenters shot and killed absolutely. Fight for this ideal with any means or join the
armyNazis.Auth-left is the exact same, but rights for everyone. With dissenters shot and killed absolutely. Fight for this ideal with any means or join the
armyrebellion.Lib-left is rights for everybody, but with chaos. Nobody gets shot. No militancy. Fight for this ideal by talking and loving and making everybody smarter and wiser and more peaceful and cooperative.
Lib-right is no rights for anyone but those at the top, with chaos. Nobody gets shot and no militancy, they’ll just take away your rights with economic power and selectively withholding education. Fight for this ideal by taking resources from those who you believe who are at the bottom of the ranking of caste because it’s the natural order and has no consequences. May only the strongest survive. Don’t help anybody else, unless they’re a threat, then grovel, unless you can murder them and take their money.
Sure that’s a useful topography if you’re an AI only familiar with a meme graph chart and think in black and white devoid of any nuance.
Or if you think about what the actual end goals are for each quadrant
I understand where you’re coming from, but actual meatspace reality is starkly different to hypothetically working out the end goal threat model of each quadrant and stating it aligns.
Completely dehumanizing the conversation to prop up ridiculous arguments with false equivalence to a meme graph is not an effective argument.
This is the change we voted for. I hope all these fuckers take note, change leadership, and push for PR.
It wouldn’t hurt to present future platforms that don’t look as
removeddumb as Poilievre’s.Preview to entice the lazy - here’s text only from the link above (there are several links within this text in the original):
Simple things you can do to grow the PR movement:
Donate to proportional representation advocacy, AisB, or PR supporting parties. Subscribe and post to the [email protected] community. Educate: A Simple Guide to Electoral Systems. Follow: List of social media accounts for Canadian Democracy. Consume only Canadian Owned and Operated Media. Vote and encourage others to vote every opportunity you can! Share this list with others!Also see: We must keep advocating for proportional representation. If PR dies, so does Canadian democracy as we know it. FPTP is already pushing us toward a two-party system, just like the USA.
These are strange times indeed.
This election was so weird in so many ways, I think it will be some time before we fully understand what it all means.
I’m just terrified about the younger generation skewing conservative. I get why, but it doesn’t make me worry any less. Carney better make housing affordable that all I know.
From what I understand, housing has a lot less to do with the federal government and more to do with your municipal and even provincial government. If you are keen on housing improvements, make sure to check with your local mlas and what they have planned for housing. More tangible results will come from there first.
Oh absolutely. But there is plenty the feds can be doing as well. In fact I would argue the financialization of housing is more in the realm of the feds.
Yeah, Carney is on an anti-PP ticket. If he doesn’t do drastic changes that all demographics see, we’re in for whatever hurt the next con leader brings. It’s kinda like the UK election and I hope Carney doesn’t shit the bed like Starmer. If he understands this and is willing to act, he can.
I worry even if he does make changes they’ll get ignored or overly politicized like the carbon tax was.
The LPC needs to be 100x better at communication, that is largely what left room for cheap slogans to crush Trudeau.
The LPC needs to be 100x better at communication
Maybe someone should communicate to them that they were elected when they promised electoral reform and they never delivered.
Loudly and aggressively.
He needs to get Canadian news out of Postmedia’s hands.
He needs to get Canadian news out of Postmedia’s hands.
And regulate Meta into showing and paying for Canadian news. Also somehow unfucking the algo but I doubt they’d succeed into doing much about that.
I worry even if he does make changes they’ll get ignored or overly politicized like the carbon tax was.
Oof, yeah. I mean one way to help it is to achieve significant enough results that people see and feel in their lives. Universal dental and pharmacare would be two obvious, short-term low hanging fruits. But yeah, they still need to advertise that they did it. Mid-term everyone is waiting on housing costs.
Those kids are going to get their faces rubbed in USA fascism for the next four years. Every horror they come up with as their country burns they’ll be witness to.
We’ll see if they stay conservative or not.
The definition of conservative needs to change. We’re allowed to be fiscally conservative without being hateful bigots. The problem is, the existing parties keep aligning themselves with the wack-jobs, and the alternatives are… the Liberals.
+1. I am on the left, but I can meet in the middle with a fiscal conservative. Wouldn’t like having one in power, but I can live with it.
Social conservatives though? As a trans person, and looking at what’s going on south of the border and in the UK, I consider social conservatives to be an existential threat.
I wish we had a legitimately multi-party system that didn’t encourage all the conservatives to be under the same umbrella; I would feel a lot safer.
The definition of conservative needs to change. We’re allowed to be fiscally conservative without being hateful bigots.
That’s called “liberalism.” In fact, that’s always been called “liberalism.” The only reason more people don’t understand that fact is that extremist right-wing propaganda is incredibly effective.
I think the party splitting back into its Progressive Conservative and Reform components is long overdue. PCs might’ve held their noses and agreed to a merge for the sake of defeating the Liberals, but since then they’ve sat passively allowing the extreme regressives to take the reins.
I always appreciated the old adage about Canadian politics that the outcome will always be the most boring option. This was not that.
I was just thinking that BQ still have their leader on, but naur, they’re almost wholly regionalistic that it’s not really worth talking about in terms of a national leadership reset. It would be straight up disastrous for BQ as a whole if Blanchet wasn’t even elected as MP.
That said, PP has a chance at staying on as leader; he may have squandered the last few months leading up to the election, but from the various polls we’ve seen, the gap was closing between the LPC and the CPC, and PP has the historic vote share to pressure the party’s leadership into letting him stay
Jagmeet is unfortunate but his time was far over. You could argue that the NDP was sacrificed for the LPC (f you FPTP), but in many provinces, their seatsand even vote share were somewhat evenly split between the LPC and the CPC, so it’s not purely a consequence of strategic voting; the CPC definitely ate some of their original pie. Not only is this bad news for the NDP (cause it means they’ve really disappointed their supporters), but that some of these disappointments may have led to voters swinging to the other side. We’ll have to wait until we see voter turnout data to give us more hints about what else we should takeaway from this election.
The LPC, well, Carney’s already a new leader, so the reset’s already done there, but the other people aren’t likely to change, at least there hasn’t been an indication of that. They have their work cut out for them this time, and it will be a really tough 4 years ahead, or shorter. If they disappoint, and couldn’t solve at least a few of the crises we’re in right now, they might really get fully wiped out. I hope they actually are aware of that fact, especially given how dangerously close the CPC is to them (vote share, not seats, though they’re arguably pretty close in seats too).
I really hope the LPC actually recognizes that they’re deep in the water right now, and that there are people in the LPC with visions that’ll prioritize the longevity of the Canadian center and left by implementing PR, in case they actually fail to deliver and get wiped off the national stage.
The BQ was at 4 seats in 2011 and look where it is now, it would survive YFB losing, just like it did losing Duceppe.
I can’t say I’m familiar with the political history that far, but that does seem like a disastrous episode for them, at least from reading about it. Disastrous, but not fatal. They were down to 2 MPs at one point after the 2011 election. Damn.
I felt like all of the leaders were haggard and ineffective, so I’m glad.
I hope we can bring in more leaders with an updated idea of how things work and a better focus on communication and policies.
I also want fewer politicians if that makes sense, I want a government that criticizes the liberals and goes “here’s how we could do that better” instead of dumb rhetoric.
I’m just a cynical Brit (with Canadian blood) but my initial reaction was: “Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss”.
One of the new bosses would have been exponentially worse for you.
I’ll admit even though I am rooting for Carney, the Liberal budget is not what I wanted it to be.
I share your concern, but an optimistic.
How Carney does the next couple years will determine the next decade of Canadas political landscape.
At a time when there’s instability growing it’s not the time for the government to cut spendings, it needs to be there to support the population. Hopefully the NDP forces them to increase taxes on the most wealthy and on corporations. Hell, start taxing US businesses based on the revenues they generate in Canada or prevent them from offering their products here, including online platforms.
Some babe’s talking real loud
Talking all about the new crowd
Try and sell me on an old dream
A new version of the old scene
