cross-posted from: https://lemm.ee/post/62625796

Everyone seems to assume that Cain is some evil murderer that killed his brother out of jealousy and sacrificed to God in vanity rather than gladness. I think that if you read the story without filling the gaps with opinion you get a much different picture.

Let’s look at Cain’s offering to God. It doesn’t say that Cain gave out of spite or anger or anything like that. It just says that Cain gave some of what he had. It doesn’t say he gave the least of what he had or the worst of what he had. Just that he gave what he had. But God favored Abels offering and not Cain’s. And that upset Cain.

Think about that for a moment. If I gave a gift to someone I cared little about and I put little effort into their gift would I be upset that they did not favor my gift? Absolutely not. But if I put a lot of effort into their gift because I cared a lot about them I would be upset if they did not favor my gift because I failed to get them something they would appreciate. I think it’s clear that Cain cared very much about offering a sacrifice that God would appreciate. And God told him in verse 7 of chapter 4 to do better.

I think it’s important to note the difference between Cain’s offering and Abel’s offering. Cain gave the fruit of the ground cause that’s all he had. Abel gave from his flock. You know the difference between an animal and a plant? You can’t really love a plant the same way you love an animal. You wouldn’t count a plant as a member of the family. But an animal you can call a pet. How else can we show our love for God if not by giving up what we love? What did Cain have that he loved? He had a brother.

It’s interesting that the Bible doesn’t call Cain a murderer but instead a killer. You guys assume he’s a murderer but the truth is that we do not know. Because we have no idea what Cain and Abel talked about. It could be that Cain somehow convinced his brother to lay his life down willingly. Or maybe he is a murderer. We don’t know and we shouldn’t assume to know. But I don’t think God would go out of his way to avenge a hateful murderer. God promises to punish the one who murders Cain sevenfold. God clearly cares so much for Cain that he takes any transgression against him very very personally.

God’s not the kind of person who speaks without reason. What’s recorded is what God wants us to know for a reason. Cain’s punishment is to be a wanderer and a fugitive. But we don’t see that happen in the story of Cain. We see Cain settle in the land of nod and he founded a city where his people went on to be pretty successful. But you know who was a wanderer and a fugitive? Moses.

The story of Moses is interesting because of how much foreshadowing is in the story. Such as Exodus 2:14. Or when Moses came down the mountain with the tablets and out of anger broke the tablets which foreshadowed his breaking of the law which kept him from inheriting the promised land.

But what about the second time he came down the mountain and he kept the law and his face shown like the sun. If the first time foreshadowed his failure to inherit the promised land then the second time must be foreshadowing a return of Moses and Moses being successful in inheriting the promised land. The promised land being heaven. I believe Cain is Moses and Moses and his wife to be, are the two witnesses (I can talk more about why the other witness is a woman in another post if you’d like).

I also believe that Jesus and Abel are the same person. Jesus calls himself son of Man and Adam means man. So if Jesus is the son of Adam it makes sense that he would be Abel. Now you might argue that the term son of Man isn’t meant to be taken literally. To which I ask would you say the same about Isaiah 7:14 where it says the Messiah will be called Immanuel which means “God with us”? If Immanuel is the literal title of Jesus then why not “son of Man”?

I think it would make for a very poetic story. Cain goes from claiming that he isn’t his brother’s keeper to being his brother’s keeper.

Another interesting link between Jesus and Abel is the consequence of their deaths. The Jews were cursed to be wanderers and fugitives after crucifying Jesus. While the Christians inherit protection from death because of the sacrifice of Jesus. Just like how Cain was punished to be a wanderer and fugitive for killing his brother. But also protected from death because of the death of his brother. It seems that Cain played both the role of Jew and Christian.

I think the most important thing to know about Cain is that he seemed to care very much about being a father. When creating his city he could have sought honor and glory for himself by naming his city after himself. But instead he named his city after his son.

As I said earlier I don’t believe God speaks pointlessly. Genesis 4:7 God tells Cain he must rule over sin. Like it’s a purpose that belongs solely to him. Could Cain be the restrainer referenced in 2 thessalonians 2:7 who oppresses lawlessness? And it says that the lawless one will not be revealed until the restrainer is taken away. The book of revelation paints a pretty clear picture of the anti Christ not being revealed until the two witnesses are killed and resurrected.

That’s all I have to say about Cain. I should note that these insights come not from me but from God. So what do you think?

  • Alaskaball [comrade/them]@hexbear.netOPEnglish
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    11 hours ago

    Also had to copy-paste my own answer so I don’t feel like I wasted my time trying to dunk on someone that got banned by another instance’s admin team.

    I spent my entire breakfast time formatting this just to try and call them a fucking heretic if they questioned my story as the literal word of God telling me so.

    • Alaskaball [comrade/them]@hexbear.netOPEnglish
      10·
      11 hours ago

      Here is the true story of the Dark Father, Caine as was told to me by God herself in my slumber last night before awaking me with an earthquake to spread the truth.

      Here, God (depicted as female), the elohim (angels), and the world they created are all already in existence together as the narrative begins.

      Man (Adam) and Woman (presumably Eve in this context) are created by God and the angels as a gift for one another.

      God orders the angels to betray Her, forcing choice upon them for the first time. Lucifer, through the act of ultimate loyalty, leads the subsequent rebellion against Heaven.

      Four angels (Ahrimal, Belial, Lailah and Usiel) gather, and the Light (Lucifer) appears before them. Following the Great Debate that ensues, Ahrimal and Belial join with Lucifer, while Lailah and Usiel remain loyal to God.

      Lucifer demands that Man, Woman, and their two sons choose sides. Adam, Eve, and Caine choose to side with Lucifer, while Abel remains loyal to God.

      The Fall, both of Man and of Lucifer’s rebellious angels. The Age of Wrath begins.

      At the start of the Age of Wrath, two-thirds of angels and one-quarter of humanity remain loyal to God; the rest are with Lucifer. The reference to humanity at large implies that the human race has already begun to multiply beyond just Adam, Eve, Caine and Abel.

      Strife from the War creates discord among humanity and in Creation as a whole for the first time.

      All of humanity suffers in this new world. Those loyal to Lucifer suffer all the more for knowing that they have left God’s grace, while those who remain loyal are comfortably ignorant of their own suffering. By now, humanity has grown to the extent that there are tribes of both loyal and rebellious mortals.

      Caine gave a gift to himself: the gift of delusion. A gift who’s geis can only be broken by the caster himself.

      Caine through what he believed was the act of ultimate love makes a gift to God; the gift is the sacrifice of his brother Abel, and the act of sacrifice is the first murder. The truth was that he hated his brother but deluded himself to believe otherwise through his geis.

      God rejects Caine’s gift, and in turn, he rejects Her. As Caine speaks against Her, both humans and angels listen. Through him, they learn of deception and murder.

      Having learned deception from Caine, rebel angels demand that humans pay homage to them instead of God. They call themselves gods, and earn the epithet of demons.

      The angels-turned-demons usurp the Divine Lores of the loyal angels by devouring them.

      God sends his angels to forgive Caine, but Caine rebuffs the offer. His rejection of God’s messengers bars Caine from the sun’s light, from peace, and from death.

      God’s angels rout the demons, slaughtering an equal number of the Fallen and punishing their human followers in turn.

      God creates new forces of fire, wind, and the wild to seek out and eradicate the demons.

      The demons, having been defeated, create a haven for those human souls that had been forcibly disembodied by the Fallen; this refuge will come to be known as the Shadowlands, or Hell as we colloquially know today.

      The demons in their defeat are cursed by God, and the Abyss is created as their prison for all eternity.

      The angels leave the human world, and one-fourth of the host have Fallen and been imprisoned; humanity begins to forget their false gods. The numbers of those trapped in the Abyss are four times higher than the previous numbers would suggest, as four loyal angels were also bound in the Abyss.

      As millenia pass, humans eventually rediscover and choose to invoke the names and powers of the angels and demons.

      Caine, the nomad cursed with eternal undeath, wandered the lands restlessly. On his endless journey he would find humans from whom he would see in them a reflection of himself. Upon each of those he saw himself he in his unending delusion offered to them his curse as a gift and accepted those who drank his cursed blood as his children as they could no longer walk in God’s light of Day.

      Caine, eventually seeing the angels and demons gone during his nomadic wandering, sets himself up as a king with his cursed children of thirteen at his side.

      Some humans, upon death, choose not to go on to the unknown afterlife but instead linger in the Shadowlands, trapped in what had been initially made to be a refuge.

      The souls in the Shadowlands are influenced by Oblivion, which God had given as a final respite to the Fallen; this influence splits the soul into two parts, the Psyche and Shadow. The disembodied Ego and the Id of the dead.

      Caine, king of the Cainites, summons wraiths from the Shadowlands. Others come to learn how to summon up those from the Shadowlands and, in time, from the Abyss.

      The first five Earthbound demons, the Archdukes, are summoned from the Pit unto the Earth. Caine raises up his great city; when his children go to war, he curses them. Gaia creates the Garou in response to these threats, but the children of Luna suffer without the sister of Solaris they slew in the War of Rage. Mankind goes to war with itself, unprecedented in cruel barbarity to their fellow man…

      In the war, man discovered how invoke the debasement of life and death through necromatic rituals, the children of Caine’s hunger for war with the rest of mankind turned to self-consuming rage, and the corruption of the highest arts of Man born from the mixing of angels blood with their own into infernalism, all of these acts would prompt God to inundate the Earth with the Great Deluge of Water.

      The various surviving peoples scattered across the Earth recover: first the Jews under Noah’s guidance, then the aboriginal Australians, then the Native Americans, then the Asians of the Middle Kingdom, and finally the Africans. Nearly all of the knowledge of antediluvian humanity has been lost as God in her infinite wisdom cleansed the earth with sacred water.

      The Kingdom of Caine was cleansed from the world. Caine, self-proclaimed king, himself vanished from the face of the earth as the flood came crashing down but in the whispers of the trees and the mountains it is said that he still wanders the earth, slowly coming to the realization of his follies.

      The Children of Caine, those who drank of his blood in acceptance of his cursed covenant, they who burn in the sun’s light, are barred from peace from without and within, and from gift of death, hide within the darkness masquerading themselves as though they are still our fellow man but feast upon our hearts blood.

      Lo and hear the true story of Caine!