The war is going great. dean-smile

Yet another horrifying scene which would be plastered all over network news if only it were happening in Russia instead.

It’s not “authoritarianism” if it’s happening in a US ally (or puppet).

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    If that was the whole truth, they would be kept with at least one parent, provided a method to communicate, or the parents provided a way to retrieve them.

    Is any of that happening?

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      Ukraine claimed 19,000 children were kidnapped.

      Russia asked for the names, so they could be reunited.

      Ukraine could only produce 339 names.

      “We see that there aren’t 20,000-25,000 children; the list contains only 339 [names], and we will work thoroughly on each child,” Maria Lvova-Belova told the Tass news agency.

      Some of them were returned, and some were never in Russia to begin with.

      161 children abducted by Russians found in Germany

      In a major war affecting millions, there is bound to be some confusion and missing people (and orphans).

      Stop believing the propaganda.

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        https://www.international.gc.ca/world-monde/issues_development-enjeux_developpement/response_conflict-reponse_conflits/crisis-crises/ukraine-fact-fait.aspx?lang=eng

        Search “child”

        Facts versus Russia’s false claims (YYYY-MM-DD) Posted on: 2025-01-15 - Global Affairs Canada

        The facts:

        In its latest report, Yale Humanitarian Research Laboratories defined Russia’s program of coerced adoption as “the deportation of children from Ukraine and their subsequent placement with citizens of Russia and/or in institutions”, going far beyond temporary humanitarian measures. The Yale research shows the extent to which Russia is systematically removing these children from their homes and concealing their identities, including changing their names, to prevent their repatriation.
        The report has identified 314 individual children from Ukraine placed in Russia’s systematic program of coerced adoption. Russia’s system of coerced adoption and fostering has been ordered and facilitated by
        Putin and Presidential Commissioner for Children’s Rights Maria Lvova-Belova. Russia’s war of aggression against Ukraine is the reason why these children are at risk in the first place.

        Russia’s false claim:

        Putin has repeatedly claimed that the transfer of Ukrainian children to Russia was done for humanitarian reasons.

        Posted on: 2024-07-24 - Global Affairs Canada

        The facts:

        In temporarily occupied Ukrainian territories, Russia imposes a pro-Russia educational curriculum that suppresses Ukrainian in favour of Russian as the language of instruction. The imposed curriculum includes justifications of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and vilifications of Ukrainian nationhood. Parents of children who use the Ukrainian educational system remotely are threatened with fines, loss of custody, and detention by occupation authorities. Educators who remain loyal to the Ukrainian state are subject to threats and torture. Russian authorities require secondary schools in occupied Ukrainian territory to report the names of students aged 18 and older, deemed eligible to be drafted into the Russian military.

        Russia’s false claim:

        Putin claims that Russia gives Ukrainians the freedom to choose the future of their children, but the facts show otherwise.

        Posted on: 2024-07-17 - Global Affairs Canada

        The facts:

        Russia coerces residents of the Ukrainian territories it temporarily occupies into getting Russian passports. Credible sources report children aged 13 to 17 being held in detention centers by occupying Russian forces may be transferred to adult prisons when they turn 18 for refusing Russian citizenship. Measures to push Ukrainians to accept Russian citizenship include threatening parental rights, blocking access to social support and restricting access to health care, education and other vital services. Proposed amendments to immigration laws will restrict the entry and ability to remain in Russia for foreigners. These amendments could make it difficult for Ukrainians to enter or remain in the temporarily occupied territories, forcing them to obtain a Russian passport.

        Russia’s false claim:

        Putin claims that Russia gives Ukrainians the freedom to choose their future.

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          You are really rabid about this ‘Russia bad’ thing.

          Russia’s false claim:
          Putin has repeatedly claimed that the transfer of Ukrainian children to Russia was done for humanitarian reasons.

          This is just hilarious. ‘Everything that my genocidal invasion-happy empire says and assumes is true, and what their designated enemies say is false’. Hell, you literally say that, because your empire’s mouthpieces ‘define’ something a certain way, the usage of that definition reflects reality, and you have done zero thinking about the timeline of events (newsflash, the coup of the Ukrainian government by your empire happened before any sort of military action by Russia, meaning that NATO is the aggressor here).

          Also, what adoption is not ‘coerced’? Are you seriously arguing that children should not be adoptable?

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        If there were only 300 children why

        https://www.international.gc.ca/world-monde/issues_development-enjeux_developpement/response_conflict-reponse_conflits/crisis-crises/ukraine-children-enfants.aspx?lang=eng

        So far, approximately 1,300 children have been successfully returned to Ukraine from Russia

        And again, why were there no measures for any of the children to be reunited with their parents from the start?

        StOp bELiEviNg tHe PRopOgANda.

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          They have been reuniting children with their parents from the start. The 1,300 tally includes people that were reunited before Ukraine made the bogus accusation that there were still 19,000 missing.

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            So how many are actually missing. Did Ukraine provide a complete initial list of only 300 or are there any unaccounted individuals? Are they all reunited? Not knowing this is a problem.

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            Not talking about Palestine.

            A responsible government would be able to say “the parents could have picked up their children at any point”

            But that’s not true.