- cross-posted to:
- yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com
- cross-posted to:
- yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com
What makes this worse is the obvious disrespect from Cowbee of my request to disengage. I made it very clear I didn’t want to argue. These communities have absolutely no standards of behaviour for members of the in-group. Which is exactly why I don’t engage with them in these communities.
Well, also the fact that I hate being constantly called a liberal for not repeating Capitalist Putin’s latest botfarm talking point. Talking to these people is an exercise in keeping my calm while I am constantly insulted. No thank you.
I wasn’t being pro-dem, and you should give other people the benefit of the doubt. Someone having a problem with your ML talking points doesn’t mean they aren’t a leftist. You and the other .ml regulars pull this shit constantly. I’ve seen y’all do it a hundred times. You are mean and exclusionary to anyone who disagrees with you about the election, and then you cry foul when it’s done back to you, so clearly you know it’s not nice behaviour.
First, if you don’t want to continue arguing about the original point, it’s not my intention to continue it, just explain myself. Your original comment was about being upset at the meme for potentially “discouraging people from voting Democrat.” If you don’t want to call that being pro-Dem, then that’s fine, I’ll adjust my phrasing, but my question in response to that (shown in the image above) is in no way trolling or sealioning.
I wasn’t saying you weren’t a Leftist, I asked if Leftists being critical of the DNC were all secretly republicans in your eyes, and I asked as such because you had just labeled me a Trump supporter unprovoked. Is that not a bit hypocritical, when you claim to be upset at me for implying you aren’t a Leftist?
All in all my point is that my initial comment was not mean in any way, and you responded with meanness. The rest of the exchange was me clearing my name. If you wanted to disengage, you should have done as other users have suggested and just said “disengage” or not responded.
Sure it is. We’re both hypocrites. We both know it’s wrong to accuse fellow leftists of not being leftists, and we both did it anyway.
I sure don’t. America uses First Past The Post. The mathematics of the FPTP system are better represented by the idea of voting against than voting for. Voting for democrats doesn’t support them, but it opposes Trump. Abstaining is a refusal to oppose Trump. Telling other people not to oppose Trump is supporting Trump. Telling other people to oppose Trump isn’t supporting Democrats.
You’ve had this argument a million times and you never learned anything. That’s why I think you’re a troll and a sealion. Your intention is to waste other people’s time. You like to argue. You like the challenge, the conflict, the thrill. The process is more enjoyable and more important to you than the end result. Changing your mind would take away your ability to engage in the same process, because then you wouldn’t have the advantage of everyone you argue with being banned from .ml communities, giving you a symbolic victory and letting you feel proud that you’re a good debater. You want to dominate your opponent from within the rules of the game. It’s not about the future, it’s about the game. It’s a sport to you.
Ignoring the attempt at psychoanalysis (which I disagree with your conclusions about me), I never claimed you weren’t a Leftist. I asked if Leftists being critical of the DNC and GOP alike were all Trump supporters in your eyes, right after you called me a Trump supporter for asking why you think the Dems will suddenly become meaningful opposition come the midterms when they aren’t already.
It really isn’t my fault when people come onto Lemmy.ml and start slandering users as Trump supporters and trolls and get themselves banned. I never reported you for it either. I would much rather get some form of agreement with you and come to a consensus, because debate is largely stupid. My intention when talking with other users depends on the context, but generally focuses on trying to educate on Marxism and Marxism-Leninism, or on discussing contemporary political issues (like the Dems being, in my opinion, woefully insufficient to oppose Trump, revolution is necessary).