Let me introduce you to the world of paraphrasing. That was the mantra, it has since pivoted to post-hoc scolding and gloating in the vein of: “I just fantasized about the republicans killing you”
Paraphrasing, eh? Neat world! Neat word too. But I have a quick question about this… paraphrasing world of yours:
“I just fantasized about the republicans killing you”
Can you tell me who exactly this phrase is para’d from? Did I say that right? Either way, if you can’t, well… that’s another lie you’ve been caught in, right? What would that be?
So, your example is some butt-hurt Hexbear mods that need to be introduced to the world of sarcasm?
And speaking of-
OMG! I honestly believed you though I didn’t know what paraphrasing meant!
/s
And for the record: Hexbear links aren’t going to be acceptable as evidence to anything other than proof that literacy isn’t an accurate representation of intelligence.
Provide something substantial. I promise I won’t ignore it. It’s not who I am. But if you’re going to try and use The Sorcerer’s Secret to prove that Harry Potter really exists…
While the democrats should have supported palestine, voting blue would have led to a favourable outcome anyway.
Not voting doesn’t help palestine whatsover. I get the arguments against lesser evil stuff, but its a bit easier to fix a broken system when the system isn’t dissappearing people.
I live in a state where her winning was a forgone conclusion, if I didn’t maybe I would have protested in another way. I’m not advocating for acceleration, the democrats are more an organization of managed decline, while Trump was clearly dead-set on kicking the leg out from under the table. I’m not interested in seeing it all fall apart, if anything I find that when I try to warn against what I think are the harmful decisions the Democrats make I get dismissed out of hand.
I will say that I am finding much higher frequency of people showing up to in person organizing in the last 3 months than in the last ~3 years under Biden.
That would be .world the entire last election year telling people to shut up about Palestine and vote blue
I’ll only speak for myself: I was extremely vocal about Palestine and the horror of the genocide there, while also recommending that people vote “blue” because Trump would make that genocide somehow even much worse while also adding many additional horrors to the world.
Absolutely nothing was solved simply by refusing to vote “blue.” The problems were made much worse. That is exactly why I was recommending to vote “blue,” to avoid that happening. This weird strawman where people didn’t care about Palestine, and that’s why they wanted Kamala Harris to win, is totally fucking weird.
Also, the people pointing out that the .ml general consensus view is completely fine with genocide when it’s happening in Ukraine or Xinjiang absolutely have a point. You’re not anti-imperialist, if you are generally in agreement with the .ml hivemind (I don’t know if you are or not, just going by other interactions with people there).
The people pointing out ‘the .ml general consensus’ by running a smear campaign are not exactly operating in good faith or opposed to imperialism, they just have a preferred team (the US + co).
From direct experience it’s not a monolith, earlier today I made a post on hex shitting on Putin with 50+ upvotes, I didn’t get banned for wrongthink yet and it’s not the first time.
Just don’t be weirdly xenophobic/misogynistic is more the vibe I’ve picked up on. I never understand when people go in looking for a fight or stir shit somewhere then act surprised when the response is to shut it down or mock them. I’ve had it happen to me plenty just for voicing my opinions earnestly in liberal spaces.
You may think that it speaks negatively of me if I’m more comfortable in the ‘tankie-run’ spaces as opposed to the liberal ones, but a large part of it is because they have a much lower tolerance for bigotry/misogyny/transphobia in general than the rest of lemmy and I’ve seen them actually attempting to address it when it’s brought up. (on hexbear at least, .ml is more of a boys club) I’ve even talked shit about one of the admins here for failing to address his transphobic comment history- as it stands if nutomic does ever post in /c/transgender it’s going to be a race between me and marcie to ban him from it.
So again, not a monolith.
re: voting, The democrats were acting unbelievably condescending from the start of the genocide, that the issue was going to go away in 6 months because people would forget. It may not seem like it to you, but from my position (and many others) it absolutely looks like they didn’t care and were telling people to shut up and get in line.
It may not seem like it to you, but from my position (and many others) it absolutely looks like
Yeah, that’s the problem. You’re operating off “many others” instead of just talking to me specifically about what I specifically did and had issue with and my point of view on it. If you actually had any familiarity with what people were saying on lemmy.world and why, without getting filtered through this bizarro-world lens of how .ml views it, you wouldn’t be saying this stuff.
A lot of what you’re saying (not a monolith and so on) is completely valid. I’m pretty sure I very explicitly acknowledged that when I said that I’m not aware of your specific viewpoint on it, just speaking in general about what I’ve observed. Also, you started out by more or less accusing lemmy.world of being a monolith, going beyond assuming they’re all the caricature view to saying they all believe things that no one in the non-monolith believes. I don’t even like lemmy.world, but I spoke up guessing that I would have been included in that “vote blue” contingent you’re talking about, trying to speak directly about what I think so we could talk about it.
Now though we’re talking about Hexbear and tankie-run spaces and transphobia and Putin. And all of a sudden we’re not talking about the lemmy.world people, but aiming much more justified criticism at the actual Democratic candidacy. Maybe the whole galaxy of digression is my fault for throwing in a dig at the pro-imperialism people on the triad and inviting a response. IDK, I just brought it up because it just makes it hard to take them seriously. The people who prefer the US “team”, in terms of the State Department and support for Israel, is nonexistent on lemmy.world. Y’all have a fantasy that it exists… you know what? I just had another attack of perspective.
This whole conversation is a waste of time. If you want to talk to me about why I say the people you imagine who don’t care about Palestine are nonexistent on lemmy.world, we can. If you want to talk to me about how voting for Kamala Harris was absolutely the right thing to do, we can do that. You can try to justify in the light of current world events how helpful it was to refuse to vote for her, how “condescending” was super important to assign weight and value to, but “snatched by ICE and sent forever to CECOT” was less important. If you just want to change to a variety of other topics, I’m not into it.
If I come across a group of people all using the same contrived name for an instance I’m on, I’m going to associate them all together. “tankie triad” mudslinging is why I’m responding with this dynamic that you’ve identified. Turnabout is fair play.
You made the original accusation of a .ml hivemind, hence my wide-ranging explanation, because that’s what it took to convey my point.
This whole conversation is a waste of time. … If you just want to change to a variety of other topics, I’m not into it.
If you’re tired of being my interlocutor I’m happy to disengage. I was only explaining my objection to your original assertion, I provided my perspective.
IDK, maybe it’s fair to say that they’ve realized that Russia is the aggressor in the Ukraine war at this point. They do seem to have developed some acceptability for the anti-Putin point of view, at least, I’ll give them that.
You seem like you took “hivemind” as pejorative, which I guess is fair. But all I said was that lemmy.ml in general has a consensus view about Ukraine and Xinjiang. No?
I have not very many things positive to say about her other than she would probably not be as catastrophic as Trump is.
Somewhat normal, but Jesus Christ look at all the “removed by mod”
Misogyny:
Ableism:
They’ll censor calling Ukraine a genocide. I don’t like hearing that kind of talk either. It’s a war, they’re terrible and a nonstop fountain of violence, but it’s not an ethnic cleansing campaign.
Can you elaborate on what the issue with this one is?
I won’t speak for you specifically, since we’ve never interacted, but we both know ML’s management are openly supportive of imperialism and genocide.
You call LW users nazis, but you are more than happy to affiliate with a group that supports russian genocidal imperialism, knowingly lies about the attrocities commited by the russians and openly cheers for the russian army.
openly supportive of russian genocidal imperialism
failing to carry water for the US consensus narrative on all events related to geopolitics does not mean that people automatically support the geopolitical enemies to the fullest extent.
thank you for the “radio free Europe” article I will file that away with the rest of the high quality journalism.
Tankie scum are so predictable. You’re so tied to your CIA/BIA narrative that you can’t even think straight. The RFE article cites internal russian judicial decisions which can be further cross-referenced by russian propaganda.
Or are you saying the BIA hacked russian propaganda sources and russian judicial rulings in order to “make the RFE article seem more real”?
I most certainly do not. You seem primed to construe anything that’s not absolute demonization as support though.
Don’t lie. Tankie scum denies russian atrocities in Ukraine. “Bucha never happened, tens of thousands of Ukrainian civilians aren’t held in concentration camps in occupied territories, Ukrainian language and culture aren’t prosecuted in occupied territories.” I’ve had multiple tankie roaches tell me this on Lemmy.
But the worst part is that you do this merely due to internet roleplay reason. You don’t speak russian, you don’t speak Ukrainian. You’ve never lived in russia, you’ve never in Ukraine.
You couldn’t even use common sense to figure out that stating “BIA wrote that fake article” logically does not work (even if you are tankie), because you can cross validate it in 30 seconds via a russian language search that clearly show russian propaganda channels saying the same thing as RFE (and you can even find the formal russian judicial ruling on government websites).
Let’s hope Russell Bentley’s learning experience is something you and other tankie scum will experience as well!
I was just mocking the source because it’s just a window into how you engage with the world. My dismissive response was because you felt the need to wish the same fate upon me simply by your association.
I’m not denying the story at all, The reporting has been circulating for a while. It was a fucked up situation and the way you revel in it is gross, makes all of your accusations feel more like projections.
But the worst part is that you do this merely due to internet roleplay reason. You don’t speak russian, you don’t speak Ukrainian. You’ve never lived in russia, you’ve never in Ukraine.
I do have family there and I’ve visited dozens of times over the years. I’m not interested in potentially doxxing myself though, I also have nothing to prove to you. You can continue to believe whatever you want about me, you seem content to believe whatever makes you feel comfortable anyways.
tankie scum
tankie roaches
this kinda talk just makes you just sound like a nazi who’s found a way to hang out in liberal spaces by vocally hating the people they hate
It’s not a window into how I engage with the world. It’s an article. How you reacted to it is clearly a window into your world (no one is buying your mea culpa).
So you are vatnik in addition to being a tankie? Worst of both worlds. And a foreign vatnik to boot as well! Those are the most entertaining ones.
Here you go again with your standard tankie polemic copytext. I am not American, in Europe “liberal” means something different.
It is fair and just to wish harm on people who are committed to bring death and suffering to your family, to your fellow citizens. I will note throughout this whole conversation you never once made any kind of statement that perhaps the russian are doing bad things. I wonder why this would be the case?
Don’t start with your projection BS.
We both saw that you randomly fantasized about killing some random internet user with an ice pick.
Unlike you, I am not hiding behind anything and playing dumb. You and your tankie scum support genocide and wish me and my family and fellow citizens harm.
As a result, I wish that you and other tankie scum like end up like the Donbas cowboy.
What exactly am I projecting here? Be clear and specific, don’t play dumb.
As I said, earlier let’s hope Russell Bentley’s learning experience is something you and other tankie scum will experience as well!
We both saw that you randomly fantasized about killing some random internet user with an ice pick.
the same user admitted to being a jerk in the exchange as well, and not proud of their behavior in the runup to that very response. As far as I’m concerned that has been reconciled, even if we disagree.
You and your tankie scum support genocide and wish me and my family and fellow citizens harm.
I’m an anarchist, you are the one who declare me a tankie because at the end it’s just a pejorative, like calling me a slur. You then go on contriving positions for me to hold on your mind.
re: calling me vatnik, I find jingoism from any direction off-putting, but go off.
What exactly am I projecting here?
as I said in my previous post, you seem like a Nazi who has latched onto the appropriate targets for the company you keep
other than when it comes time to shut down bigotry
I came into hexbear disagreeing with something or other that got posted, and then started talking about Biden when someone brought him up. They threatened to kill me, threatened to stab me with an icepick, sent me shit pictures, and then banned me. This whole “they’re open to dissent, just not bigotry” is about as convincing as a MAGA person saying “we allow everyone, just not trolls” and then throwing a total unhinged wobbler if anyone ever disagrees with them and then banning the person for “trolling” saying they must have been inviting the wobbler by disagreeing.
It’s a standard playbook for fig-leaf-justifying censoring a space. It actually really works well for producing a bizarre echo-chamber which doesn’t really understand what anyone outside the echo chamber believes.
If your forum allows polite dissent from people on the team, but gives some of the most aggressive hostility and bans I’ve ever seen to anyone who actually disagrees, just say so and own it. Don’t do this bullshit of pretending it is something else.
I went and checked, was it on this account? The only thing I see in their modlog is you got a comment removed- this one:
and like I agree with removing that, it just looks like you’re doing this:
You didn’t even get banned.
Like I’ve actually tried looking up every time I see someone complaining about draconian mod actions and more often then not it’s something that just someone stirring shit and getting their wrist slapped, rather than the free speech 1984 gulag that they go on to complain about elsewhere.
My whole instance is defederated from Hexbear as far as I can tell. I can’t quite make sense of what shows in their “instances” page, but I’m not in “allowed.” Also, entertainingly enough they are apparently happy to make use of my RSS feed communities from rss.ponder.cat, although apparently totally uninterested in the actual news contained there. No one is subscribed to anything except for hackaday.
Here, look at this: https://ponder.cat/c/[email protected] – I am subscribed, but it hasn’t updated in 6 months ever since I participated in that thread.
As I explained in that thread when someone sent me that same picture, I am not at all fantasizing about Trump sending pro-Palestinian or pro-migrant people to concentration camps. I’m not by any means happy about it. That’s why I tried to stop it from happening and was alarmed when they were uninterested in one particular way of stopping it. Surely that makes sense? Or yes it does, or no?
weird, your instance is not defederated on the hexbear side, not sure what’s going on there, it definitely looks like you aren’t getting posts.
As I explained in that thread when someone sent me that same picture, I am not at all fantasizing about Trump sending pro-Palestinian or pro-migrant people to concentration camps. I’m not by any means happy about it.
I get that, but you can see how someone could read that and feel like that’s what you were saying?
That’s why I tried to stop it from happening and was alarmed when they were uninterested in one particular way of stopping it.
All 80+ mil people who didn’t vote aren’t on lemmy. Some powerless online anarchists/communists failing to tow the line on shit isn’t why the ruling party essentially got swept in an incumbent election. I voted in a blue state for the communist because I agree with what they had to say about things more than I do Democrats or Republicans. It had objectively no impact. Maybe if more of the Democrats who feel as strongly as you fell into line with me instead we could actually be in a position to be using this horrifying war machine for something positive.
I know they recently voted to switch to allowlist, I have no visibility if they were blocked in the past either way they are on the allow list now and not blocked, not sure what else could be going wrong.
Wait - YOU WERE THE ONE who threatened me with an icepick!
The only thing I’m predicting that I’m meeting your mind with is an icepick
I was absolutely defederated from the Hexbear side. It actually happened in the middle of that thread, I missed being able to see some of these comments too, until I just checked now to look at all the comments I hadn’t received after the defederation:
i am wishing death and suffering upon you. I hope your life gets materially worse. I hope you get leprosy. I hope you get stabbed. I hope you get long covid. I hope you hang for your collaborationist ways and I hope the hangman fucks up so it’s painful
you get to climb to the top of a very tall building and yeet yourself into the void
Death threat
You’re free to pretend it is a big mystery why all of a sudden I stopped receiving updates right during the middle of that conversation and then have never received them again. You can compare the comments on my instance to the ones on Hexbear, and see the timestamp (2024-10-31 11:04:23.640156+00) after which I receive no new updated comments.
Again, this is what Hexbear does (along with the tradition of violent hostility to anything outsider) to protect itself against being exposed to dissenting points of view. Lemmy.ml does the same, just in a more subtle and less shit-picture-based fashion.
I get that, but you can see how someone could read that and feel like that’s what you were saying?
You’re doing a lot of excuses for how someone could “feel like” one thing someone is saying is actually some other thing. This is the second time you’ve done that. Actually, after I explained myself in that thread, I still received plenty of people who were telling me all kinds of stuff about what I believe and how I was lying about why I was saying that, just so they could have the mean-spirited fun of “dunking.” You’ve done the same thing here.
I see you’ve learned well. My observation is that this is an incredibly popular pastime on lemmy.ml and friends. They tell each other what their “enemies” believe, and then if someone comes in trying to explain anything different, they get super-hostile to an unhinged and violent degree about what the person is actually saying is some totally different thing, and then they get all frothy about it until the person leaves or gets banned.
Like I say: Waste of time. I’m not sure why I have spent as long on it now as I have.
Maybe if more of the Democrats who feel as strongly as you fell into line with me instead we could actually be in a position to be using this horrifying war machine for something positive.
Yeah, y’all sound super productive. I can’t wait to fall in line with you and experience all the victory you’re in store for. So far, you’re killing it.
Wait - YOU WERE THE ONE who threatened me with an icepick!
The only thing I’m predicting that I’m meeting your mind with is an icepick
Guilty 😜
to quote one of the other users in that thread:
Crybully type shit. You’re being dunked on for being horrendously right wing with the unearned smugness of thinking you yourself are “left wing”. “Negotiating” with power the way you ask of us here is simply the privilege of not being the next target, or imagining you aren’t.
My observation is that this is an incredibly popular pastime on lemmy.ml and friends. They tell each other what their “enemies” believe
You guys have already demonstrated what you believe, no need to embellish
Yeah, y’all sound super productive.
Didn’t you hear that we were the sole reason the multi-billion dollar Kamala election campaign ate shit? clearly you miscalculated so get in line next time 😎
That would be .world the entire last election year telling people to shut up about Palestine and vote blue
I’m an anarchist, I don’t ‘support’ any of these parties beyond having a cautious optimism seeing China execute billionaires who misbehave.
Not a single person said that.
Let me introduce you to the world of paraphrasing. That was the mantra, it has since pivoted to post-hoc scolding and gloating in the vein of: “I just fantasized about the republicans killing you”
Paraphrasing, eh? Neat world! Neat word too. But I have a quick question about this… paraphrasing world of yours:
Can you tell me who exactly this phrase is para’d from? Did I say that right? Either way, if you can’t, well… that’s another lie you’ve been caught in, right? What would that be?
Three in this thread alone?
That one came from this- https://hexbear.net/modlog?page=1&actionType=All&userId=1765223
It looked enough like gloating about the situation to piss people off:
https://hexbear.net/comment/5568891
“let me introduce you to the world of paraphrasing” I meant it as world; like I’m introducing an entirely new concept to you, rather than just a word.
So, your example is some butt-hurt Hexbear mods that need to be introduced to the world of sarcasm?
And speaking of-
OMG! I honestly believed you though I didn’t know what paraphrasing meant!
/s
And for the record: Hexbear links aren’t going to be acceptable as evidence to anything other than proof that literacy isn’t an accurate representation of intelligence.
lol any more requirements officer?
you want my papers?
if you’re just going to ignore anything I do provide and call me a liar I’m not gonna be motivated to engage in good faith.
honestly not sure what you’re even trying to say anymore
Provide something substantial. I promise I won’t ignore it. It’s not who I am. But if you’re going to try and use The Sorcerer’s Secret to prove that Harry Potter really exists…
I am going to doubt you.
While the democrats should have supported palestine, voting blue would have led to a favourable outcome anyway.
Not voting doesn’t help palestine whatsover. I get the arguments against lesser evil stuff, but its a bit easier to fix a broken system when the system isn’t dissappearing people.
I live in a state where her winning was a forgone conclusion, if I didn’t maybe I would have protested in another way. I’m not advocating for acceleration, the democrats are more an organization of managed decline, while Trump was clearly dead-set on kicking the leg out from under the table. I’m not interested in seeing it all fall apart, if anything I find that when I try to warn against what I think are the harmful decisions the Democrats make I get dismissed out of hand.
I will say that I am finding much higher frequency of people showing up to in person organizing in the last 3 months than in the last ~3 years under Biden.
Well, there is a lot more to protest now with Trump.
It is annoying for people to dismiss any critisism against the democrats. Some people think they are a perfect, flawless party.
I’ll only speak for myself: I was extremely vocal about Palestine and the horror of the genocide there, while also recommending that people vote “blue” because Trump would make that genocide somehow even much worse while also adding many additional horrors to the world.
Absolutely nothing was solved simply by refusing to vote “blue.” The problems were made much worse. That is exactly why I was recommending to vote “blue,” to avoid that happening. This weird strawman where people didn’t care about Palestine, and that’s why they wanted Kamala Harris to win, is totally fucking weird.
Also, the people pointing out that the .ml general consensus view is completely fine with genocide when it’s happening in Ukraine or Xinjiang absolutely have a point. You’re not anti-imperialist, if you are generally in agreement with the .ml hivemind (I don’t know if you are or not, just going by other interactions with people there).
The people pointing out ‘the .ml general consensus’ by running a smear campaign are not exactly operating in good faith or opposed to imperialism, they just have a preferred team (the US + co).
From direct experience it’s not a monolith, earlier today I made a post on hex shitting on Putin with 50+ upvotes, I didn’t get banned for wrongthink yet and it’s not the first time.
Just don’t be weirdly xenophobic/misogynistic is more the vibe I’ve picked up on. I never understand when people go in looking for a fight or stir shit somewhere then act surprised when the response is to shut it down or mock them. I’ve had it happen to me plenty just for voicing my opinions earnestly in liberal spaces.
You may think that it speaks negatively of me if I’m more comfortable in the ‘tankie-run’ spaces as opposed to the liberal ones, but a large part of it is because they have a much lower tolerance for bigotry/misogyny/transphobia in general than the rest of lemmy and I’ve seen them actually attempting to address it when it’s brought up. (on hexbear at least, .ml is more of a boys club) I’ve even talked shit about one of the admins here for failing to address his transphobic comment history- as it stands if nutomic does ever post in /c/transgender it’s going to be a race between me and marcie to ban him from it.
So again, not a monolith.
re: voting, The democrats were acting unbelievably condescending from the start of the genocide, that the issue was going to go away in 6 months because people would forget. It may not seem like it to you, but from my position (and many others) it absolutely looks like they didn’t care and were telling people to shut up and get in line.
Yeah, that’s the problem. You’re operating off “many others” instead of just talking to me specifically about what I specifically did and had issue with and my point of view on it. If you actually had any familiarity with what people were saying on lemmy.world and why, without getting filtered through this bizarro-world lens of how .ml views it, you wouldn’t be saying this stuff.
A lot of what you’re saying (not a monolith and so on) is completely valid. I’m pretty sure I very explicitly acknowledged that when I said that I’m not aware of your specific viewpoint on it, just speaking in general about what I’ve observed. Also, you started out by more or less accusing lemmy.world of being a monolith, going beyond assuming they’re all the caricature view to saying they all believe things that no one in the non-monolith believes. I don’t even like lemmy.world, but I spoke up guessing that I would have been included in that “vote blue” contingent you’re talking about, trying to speak directly about what I think so we could talk about it.
Now though we’re talking about Hexbear and tankie-run spaces and transphobia and Putin. And all of a sudden we’re not talking about the lemmy.world people, but aiming much more justified criticism at the actual Democratic candidacy. Maybe the whole galaxy of digression is my fault for throwing in a dig at the pro-imperialism people on the triad and inviting a response. IDK, I just brought it up because it just makes it hard to take them seriously. The people who prefer the US “team”, in terms of the State Department and support for Israel, is nonexistent on lemmy.world. Y’all have a fantasy that it exists… you know what? I just had another attack of perspective.
This whole conversation is a waste of time. If you want to talk to me about why I say the people you imagine who don’t care about Palestine are nonexistent on lemmy.world, we can. If you want to talk to me about how voting for Kamala Harris was absolutely the right thing to do, we can do that. You can try to justify in the light of current world events how helpful it was to refuse to vote for her, how “condescending” was super important to assign weight and value to, but “snatched by ICE and sent forever to CECOT” was less important. If you just want to change to a variety of other topics, I’m not into it.
If I come across a group of people all using the same contrived name for an instance I’m on, I’m going to associate them all together. “tankie triad” mudslinging is why I’m responding with this dynamic that you’ve identified. Turnabout is fair play.
You made the original accusation of a .ml hivemind, hence my wide-ranging explanation, because that’s what it took to convey my point.
If you’re tired of being my interlocutor I’m happy to disengage. I was only explaining my objection to your original assertion, I provided my perspective.
I said that lemmy.ml has a consensus that genocide in Ukraine and Xinjiang is okay.
Check this out (search date range limiting is broken maybe? IDK, you have to talk to the developers):
https://lemmy.ml/search?q=xinjiang&type=Comments&listingType=All&page=1&sort=TopWeek
As for Ukraine:
https://lemmy.ml/search?q=ukraine&type=Comments&listingType=Local&page=1&sort=TopWeek
IDK, maybe it’s fair to say that they’ve realized that Russia is the aggressor in the Ukraine war at this point. They do seem to have developed some acceptability for the anti-Putin point of view, at least, I’ll give them that.
You seem like you took “hivemind” as pejorative, which I guess is fair. But all I said was that lemmy.ml in general has a consensus view about Ukraine and Xinjiang. No?
Any conversation about Kamala Harris?
I have not very many things positive to say about her other than she would probably not be as catastrophic as Trump is.
Misogyny:
Ableism:
They’ll censor calling Ukraine a genocide. I don’t like hearing that kind of talk either. It’s a war, they’re terrible and a nonstop fountain of violence, but it’s not an ethnic cleansing campaign.
Can you elaborate on what the issue with this one is?
one of these is a the links included this:
Accusing China of doing a genocide was a Trump term 1 hobbyhorse
I won’t speak for you specifically, since we’ve never interacted, but we both know ML’s management are openly supportive of imperialism and genocide.
You call LW users nazis, but you are more than happy to affiliate with a group that supports russian genocidal imperialism, knowingly lies about the attrocities commited by the russians and openly cheers for the russian army.
failing to carry water for the US consensus narrative on all events related to geopolitics does not mean that people automatically support the geopolitical enemies to the fullest extent.
I outlined my position in the other reply, these servers are not really a monolith other than when it comes time to shut down bigotry
You talk big, yet you wish death to Ukrainians and cheers for russians to capture Ukrainian territory and eradicate Ukrainian culture.
You’re not fooling anyone.
EDIT: Since you’re fine with ice pick murder fantasies, let me say the following:
I do hope one day you and your fellow tankies get to experience the life of “Donbas Cowboy”, Russell Bentley.
According to the Investigative Committee, Vansyatsky, Agaltsev, and Iordanov tortured Bentley on April 8, and he died shortly afterward.
Just imagine what was going through his mind in those last moments.
re: death threat, For the record, I apologized to the guy and he accepted it.
I most certainly do not. You seem primed to construe anything that’s not absolute demonization as support though.
thank you for the “radio free Europe” article I will file that away with the rest of the high quality journalism.
Tankie scum are so predictable. You’re so tied to your CIA/BIA narrative that you can’t even think straight. The RFE article cites internal russian judicial decisions which can be further cross-referenced by russian propaganda.
Or are you saying the BIA hacked russian propaganda sources and russian judicial rulings in order to “make the RFE article seem more real”?
Don’t lie. Tankie scum denies russian atrocities in Ukraine. “Bucha never happened, tens of thousands of Ukrainian civilians aren’t held in concentration camps in occupied territories, Ukrainian language and culture aren’t prosecuted in occupied territories.” I’ve had multiple tankie roaches tell me this on Lemmy.
But the worst part is that you do this merely due to internet roleplay reason. You don’t speak russian, you don’t speak Ukrainian. You’ve never lived in russia, you’ve never in Ukraine.
You couldn’t even use common sense to figure out that stating “BIA wrote that fake article” logically does not work (even if you are tankie), because you can cross validate it in 30 seconds via a russian language search that clearly show russian propaganda channels saying the same thing as RFE (and you can even find the formal russian judicial ruling on government websites).
Let’s hope Russell Bentley’s learning experience is something you and other tankie scum will experience as well!
What is BIA in this context?
I was just mocking the source because it’s just a window into how you engage with the world. My dismissive response was because you felt the need to wish the same fate upon me simply by your association.
I’m not denying the story at all, The reporting has been circulating for a while. It was a fucked up situation and the way you revel in it is gross, makes all of your accusations feel more like projections.
I do have family there and I’ve visited dozens of times over the years. I’m not interested in potentially doxxing myself though, I also have nothing to prove to you. You can continue to believe whatever you want about me, you seem content to believe whatever makes you feel comfortable anyways.
this kinda talk just makes you just sound like a nazi who’s found a way to hang out in liberal spaces by vocally hating the people they hate
It’s not a window into how I engage with the world. It’s an article. How you reacted to it is clearly a window into your world (no one is buying your mea culpa).
So you are vatnik in addition to being a tankie? Worst of both worlds. And a foreign vatnik to boot as well! Those are the most entertaining ones.
Here you go again with your standard tankie polemic copytext. I am not American, in Europe “liberal” means something different.
It is fair and just to wish harm on people who are committed to bring death and suffering to your family, to your fellow citizens. I will note throughout this whole conversation you never once made any kind of statement that perhaps the russian are doing bad things. I wonder why this would be the case?
Don’t start with your projection BS.
We both saw that you randomly fantasized about killing some random internet user with an ice pick.
Unlike you, I am not hiding behind anything and playing dumb. You and your tankie scum support genocide and wish me and my family and fellow citizens harm.
As a result, I wish that you and other tankie scum like end up like the Donbas cowboy.
What exactly am I projecting here? Be clear and specific, don’t play dumb.
As I said, earlier let’s hope Russell Bentley’s learning experience is something you and other tankie scum will experience as well!
the same user admitted to being a jerk in the exchange as well, and not proud of their behavior in the runup to that very response. As far as I’m concerned that has been reconciled, even if we disagree.
I’m an anarchist, you are the one who declare me a tankie because at the end it’s just a pejorative, like calling me a slur. You then go on contriving positions for me to hold on your mind.
re: calling me vatnik, I find jingoism from any direction off-putting, but go off.
as I said in my previous post, you seem like a Nazi who has latched onto the appropriate targets for the company you keep
I came into hexbear disagreeing with something or other that got posted, and then started talking about Biden when someone brought him up. They threatened to kill me, threatened to stab me with an icepick, sent me shit pictures, and then banned me. This whole “they’re open to dissent, just not bigotry” is about as convincing as a MAGA person saying “we allow everyone, just not trolls” and then throwing a total unhinged wobbler if anyone ever disagrees with them and then banning the person for “trolling” saying they must have been inviting the wobbler by disagreeing.
It’s a standard playbook for fig-leaf-justifying censoring a space. It actually really works well for producing a bizarre echo-chamber which doesn’t really understand what anyone outside the echo chamber believes.
If your forum allows polite dissent from people on the team, but gives some of the most aggressive hostility and bans I’ve ever seen to anyone who actually disagrees, just say so and own it. Don’t do this bullshit of pretending it is something else.
I went and checked, was it on this account? The only thing I see in their modlog is you got a comment removed- this one:
and like I agree with removing that, it just looks like you’re doing this:
You didn’t even get banned.
Like I’ve actually tried looking up every time I see someone complaining about draconian mod actions and more often then not it’s something that just someone stirring shit and getting their wrist slapped, rather than the free speech 1984 gulag that they go on to complain about elsewhere.
My whole instance is defederated from Hexbear as far as I can tell. I can’t quite make sense of what shows in their “instances” page, but I’m not in “allowed.” Also, entertainingly enough they are apparently happy to make use of my RSS feed communities from rss.ponder.cat, although apparently totally uninterested in the actual news contained there. No one is subscribed to anything except for hackaday.
Here, look at this: https://ponder.cat/c/[email protected] – I am subscribed, but it hasn’t updated in 6 months ever since I participated in that thread.
As I explained in that thread when someone sent me that same picture, I am not at all fantasizing about Trump sending pro-Palestinian or pro-migrant people to concentration camps. I’m not by any means happy about it. That’s why I tried to stop it from happening and was alarmed when they were uninterested in one particular way of stopping it. Surely that makes sense? Or yes it does, or no?
weird, your instance is not defederated on the hexbear side, not sure what’s going on there, it definitely looks like you aren’t getting posts.
I get that, but you can see how someone could read that and feel like that’s what you were saying?
All 80+ mil people who didn’t vote aren’t on lemmy. Some powerless online anarchists/communists failing to tow the line on shit isn’t why the ruling party essentially got swept in an incumbent election. I voted in a blue state for the communist because I agree with what they had to say about things more than I do Democrats or Republicans. It had objectively no impact. Maybe if more of the Democrats who feel as strongly as you fell into line with me instead we could actually be in a position to be using this horrifying war machine for something positive.
I thought hexbear used an allowlist rather than a blocklist, but could be wrong about that.
I know they recently voted to switch to allowlist, I have no visibility if they were blocked in the past either way they are on the allow list now and not blocked, not sure what else could be going wrong.
Wait - YOU WERE THE ONE who threatened me with an icepick!
I was absolutely defederated from the Hexbear side. It actually happened in the middle of that thread, I missed being able to see some of these comments too, until I just checked now to look at all the comments I hadn’t received after the defederation:
You’re free to pretend it is a big mystery why all of a sudden I stopped receiving updates right during the middle of that conversation and then have never received them again. You can compare the comments on my instance to the ones on Hexbear, and see the timestamp (
2024-10-31 11:04:23.640156+00) after which I receive no new updated comments.Again, this is what Hexbear does (along with the tradition of violent hostility to anything outsider) to protect itself against being exposed to dissenting points of view. Lemmy.ml does the same, just in a more subtle and less shit-picture-based fashion.
You’re doing a lot of excuses for how someone could “feel like” one thing someone is saying is actually some other thing. This is the second time you’ve done that. Actually, after I explained myself in that thread, I still received plenty of people who were telling me all kinds of stuff about what I believe and how I was lying about why I was saying that, just so they could have the mean-spirited fun of “dunking.” You’ve done the same thing here.
I see you’ve learned well. My observation is that this is an incredibly popular pastime on lemmy.ml and friends. They tell each other what their “enemies” believe, and then if someone comes in trying to explain anything different, they get super-hostile to an unhinged and violent degree about what the person is actually saying is some totally different thing, and then they get all frothy about it until the person leaves or gets banned.
Like I say: Waste of time. I’m not sure why I have spent as long on it now as I have.
Yeah, y’all sound super productive. I can’t wait to fall in line with you and experience all the victory you’re in store for. So far, you’re killing it.
Guilty 😜
to quote one of the other users in that thread:
You guys have already demonstrated what you believe, no need to embellish
Didn’t you hear that we were the sole reason the multi-billion dollar Kamala election campaign ate shit? clearly you miscalculated so get in line next time 😎