How do these Natalists feel about the African continent?

  • Nougat@fedia.io
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    7 days ago

    I watched a video recently on how South Korea is pretty fucked because of their declining birth rate. 2.1 is fine by me.

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      7 days ago

      There is nothing bad about going back to a sustainable population level. The cost for raising a child is greater than the cost for taking care of elderly. When elderly die that frees up resources for the next generation making it even easier.

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        6 days ago

        The problem with declining population is the huge bubble pop you get when the population is mostly elderly people and few workers.

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              5 days ago

              Immigration isn’t ‘outsourcing childbirth’, it’s investing in the future of our country. People who come here, build lives, and raise families contribute just as much to our communities as anyone born here. Their children are American in every meaningful way. That’s not a loophole, that’s the foundation of our nation. If we start drawing lines around who counts as a ‘real’ solution based on origin, we’re moving away from what has always made America strong.

              • HalfSalesman@lemm.ee
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                5 days ago

                I think their point is that you then have to rely on other populations to breed workers for you which in the long term is not sustainable.

                I could be wrong though. I’m a soft anti-natalist myself, but I do think an aging population is going to cause problems.

          • chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world
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            6 days ago

            Maybe in the west. Not in places like South Korea or Japan. Even if you got the populations to buy in to immigration 100%, you’ve got an impossible task convincing immigrants to learn the language.

            English’s hegemony over the world makes immigration to non-English-speaking areas a huge problem. Quebec, for example, tries mightily to force immigrants to learn French and the results are quite ugly in Quebec politics.

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              6 days ago

              you’ve got an impossible task convincing immigrants to learn the language.

              Do we? The languages aren’t that hard, people learn languages all the time especially if they move.

              Just make it a requirement for citizenship, offer classes, etc. I’m picking up 2 languages right now, 1 for work and 1 for my new home in Europe. The human brain does things.

              Quebec, for example, tries mightily to force immigrants to learn French and the results are quite ugly in Quebec politics.

              Ok, so I actually speak some french (from school), and that’s not about it not being English, it’s just that French is a shit language to push for no reason.

              Tell Quebec to switch to Spanish, everyone will be happier.

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                5 days ago

                Most people don’t want to learn another language they want to do other stuff.

                Example: me, I want to do other stuff.

            • Aoife@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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              6 days ago

              I mean you’re presupposing that it’s important to convince immigrants to learn the language. Maybe multiculturualism is okay actually