• shirro@aussie.zone
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    I don’t understand misogyny at all. What’s it all about? If you were homosexual and were raised in an ancient Macedonian army or something perhaps you wouldn’t see a mother, sisters, daughters, lovers, work colleagues, neighbors, friends but who lives like that? Boys who live in front of a screen and are too anxious and scared to go outside? Racism I can kind of understand if you only have superficial knowledge of other people and cultures.

    Once that testosterone kicks in at puberty women aren’t generally a physical threat to men. I don’t really understand all the fear of them. Some women are really, really cool. Like serious friend material and lifelong partner stuff.

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      They don’t hate women, they just like to dominate.

      80% of car accidents here are caused by wreckless driving by guys.

      Guys are more dominant, and dominating women is viewed as misogyny.

      Do not misunderstand. There’s no hatred for women.

      Except in niche cases like my mate that got his heart broken at age 15 when he was fat, then he went on and dated 5 girls at the same time because he didn’t trust them. Then basically kept 1 of them and is now in a long term relationship. The one girl never knowing that he did that.

      He was raised by his grandparents/single mother.

      His dad went on to have a 2nd family where he wouldn’t be a deadbeat father. So it’s kinda idk… it’s his stuff.

      So I guess there can be some hatred for women when it comes to having a broken heart and trust issues. But that’s mostly for young guys.

      Hating people is mostly a dumb thing to do, but it’s not always a choice. You get your heart broken, love turns to hate until enough time passes before it can become indifference and you move on.

      Racism… 14 year olds are idiots. They segregate themselves by how they look and sound like and start fighting with eachother.

      Russia phobia 😎 well, they done fucked up didn’t they?

      What else do we have…

      Sinophobia… scary government bruv

      Western phobia… I’ll let LMs write that one out

      Phobia’s a normal thing, gets eliminated by long term communication

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        Wrong. Wrong wrong wrong.

        https://youtu.be/NNnIGh9g6fA

        Please take the time to listen to this lecture. It will genuinely help you and it’s very entertaining imo.

        Testosterone causes enforcement, not aggression or dominance of women. Enforcement. Sapolsky did a famous study on baboons about this, amd we also have a human example - Buddhist monks who go around “enforcing” peace by chanting and praying etc.

        Men hate women because they believe they should, they abuse women because they give themselves permission to do so. No other reason. Anything else is an excuse and justification for it. Read “Why Does He Do That?” By Lundy or “Stop Caretaking the Borderline or Narcissist” to learn more.

        Bigotry is a product of narcissism, which is based in delusional beliefs. A narcissist may never get better. A racial narcissist example is a white supremacist (“my race is best”), which is obviously delusional, which causes narcissistic supply every time they confront it and refuse to let the delusion be corrected. They then will act out, eg say racist slurs, to enforce their racial narcissism on others to satisfy their brain chemistry (it’s deeply uncomfortable to resist unlearning delusional beliefs when faced with evidence, so they satisfy the histamine with adrenaline rushes included by being antisocial).

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          Narcissism is a scapegoat. Since a narcissist doesn’t know they are a narcissist. So the person can never defend themselves against you calling them a narcissist.

          The term has been overused in the past few decades. I would only accept it if a well trained psychologist/psychiatrist would claim it about people. Otherwise, just can’t trust the source.

          Everytime some folks talk about racial supremacy… they always talk about white supremacy and call it bad. Then I’d just say something like what about Han supremacy? Then they just act like it doesn’t exist.

          All this bullshit can be fun, but there’s a lot of factors at play.

          You can’t say it’s all nurture and no nature. The differences are far too big. In Belgium guys and girls are raised together. The same schools, the same families, the same government funding.

          Sure there vast differences between the two female CFO’s I’ve worked for. Same for the male employers I’ve worked for. The two that showed signs of aggression were both large people. A woman and a man. They physically had the ability to cause damage on someone else.

          My mom was the one doing the reckless driving and my dad drives perfectly. Aggression comes from my mom’s side of the family and level headedness from my dad’s side of the family.

          Ah, whatever. It’s far too broad of a subject to be definite about. Too many factors at play

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            Narcissists can know they are narcissists, it’s just extremely shameful to them to admit it. What they admit or acknowledge is irrelevant though, as the more important thing is to recognize them because it makes them immediately disadvantaged. Narcissts can’t defend themselves because being a narcissist, makes them disadvantaged, because they are delusional. That’s fine if a white supremacist is disadvantaged and can’t defend himself. That’s good. Lol.

            I don’t care if you accept it or understand it.

            There are other type of racial narcissists besides white supremacists. White supremacists are widely studied because of the KKK and the Holocaust, among others, plus the so obvious not being better thing… It’s a classic example. Stop defending it, it’s obvious you bring up other races so that you, a white supremacist, can engage in your delusions about hating other races and confirm it.

            When you’re told that white people aren’t best, it’s irritating you, right? That’s histamine, it helps you learn. Brain is literally releasing it so you can change your mind. You’ve learned to combat this histamine rush with anxiety and adrenaline (the -phobia part of narcissism), and externalizing and confirming your delusions of white people being supreme, so you automatically switch to bashing PoC to create brain connections to solidify the delusion. No one wants to engage with you because you’re sick and misinformed and they don’t want to make it worse by adding to those connections when you need to clean up and prune other connections first.

            You can’t say it’s all nurture and no nature

            Then take hormones and tell us how different you are. Go live as a woman. No one is stopping you. The fact that agender and multigender and intersex people exist shows that these binaries don’t exist and if there are hormonal and genetic influences on gendered behavior, why does gender expression change over time and in different places? Why aren’t you wearing a white fluffy wig and button up boots? Why don’t you have long hair and a dress like Jesus? Are you a fishing guy, a football guy, a soccer guy, a DnD guy, a rock climbing guy, etc - all different expressions of male gender, right? Why is someone with XY genes and complete androgen insensitivity labeled a girl? What gender is someone with Klinefelter’s (XXY)?

            Aggressive behaviors happen because the person doing them has given themselves permission to do so.

            Would your mom act as aggressively in front of her boss or someone she wants to impress? Or is she more openly aggressive in front of her family? And many large people actually have a “gentle giant” reputation, it’s just down to whatever that person thinks is an acceptable behavior.

            In “Why Does He Do That?” Lundy asks abusers why they didn’t keep going. He says something like, “you punched her and shoved her to the ground, why didn’t you kick her in the face then? You could’ve really gotten her good then.” And the abuser will look genuinely shocked and say, “I would never do THAT, that could seriously kill her or hurt her.” They know. They have control. They would change their behavior if there were witnesses they cared about. They CHOOSE those actions because they give themselves permission.

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              Yeah I can’t take you serious when you call me a white supremacist. When you antagonise people, they won’t care about all that much that you say.

              Then you call them a narcissist so that you don’t have to care.

              I am not going to experiment with estrogen, I like muscle.

              It’s just an ad hominem argumentation. Very low quality

              And what kind of ridiculous term is PoC. Trust me, I’m far more anti American than anti Asia/Africa/middle east/south American.

              That term just signals me that you’re American, and because of that, I actually start being xenophobic against you. Which is quite fun innit.

              When I see dead bodies and it’s said that it’s a russian. Then I won’t care.

              Bloody fun thing, the human mind.

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                You are a white supremacist by your own words. Too ashamed to admit it, though, just like I said in my first paragraph.

                That’s not what ad hominem is.

                Sure, you can be a geographical narcissist (xenophobe) too on top of being a racial narcissist. A lot of narcissists overlap but not always, and that’s why we get unique narcissistic individuals. Physical narcissists, gender narcissists, intellectual narcissists, etc. Many ways they interact.

                And then if I spoke with you about something that is neutral and doesn’t trigger your narcissism, like maybe video games, then we’d be okay and we could have a polite conversation. Because narcissism is primarily delusions-based.

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                  Nah I’d prefer being called a European supremacist, can you do that instead? The child in my wife’s uterus is going to be Eurasian.

                  Now we got the choice between raising it in Europe or in Asia and I prefer Europe. Although it depends on where in these two locations. Belgium Vs Indonesia. My main concern is the heat. The rest is fine, but god damn I want my winters.

                  Everyone has narcissistic traits, we can just call it self esteem. But only a very small part of the population has Narcissistic personality disorder.

                  It is 50% genetic 👀 so we’re back to nature/nurture blabla.

                  My mom did have quite the symptoms of the disorder. Mainly she thought that everyone was envious of her and that anything someone did was just something to affect her.

                  Now personally I have different symptoms, it doesn’t use other people, it’s mainly self esteem stuff like: I can get sexually turned on by looking in a mirror. I think I’m above average intellectually able. I think I make good decisions. I love talking about the details of my life. (I’m also interested in details of others their lives, most people lack the desire to be transparent). I also like talking about details bout anything to be honest. It’s just that I know a lot of my own life.

                  Now. Psychologist puts all of that on “mild autism”. Since my dad is autistic.

                  Now… Call me autist supremacist 😎 literally different brain wiring.

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                    Self-esteem isn’t the same as narcissism, whatsoever.

                    It’s not “50%” genetic.

                    Narcissism is a belief system.

                    You’re boring.

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      A woman is absolutely a threat to another human. Any animal that size is. That you think women are harmless is ironically, misogyny.

      There’s a couple of.good books about this - Delusions of Gender by Fine and Sex, Lies, and Brain Scans. Basically we have implicit and explicit biases in how we expect people to perform roles. However, these biases aren’t based in fact. When we police other people’s behaviors based on these biases, or otherwise force others into roles we’ve developed, it’s bad/abusive.

      Women are a special type of role, because that role generally means they have babies (ofc we all know many women who don’t have babies). The ownership of their baby making ability is likely why men created the patriarchy, to endanger women by other men, to force women into proximity of whatever man was able to support them. This, and the narrative that men should fuck as soon as they feel any sexual urges because that’s “being a man,” form the basis for their abuse of women over thousands of years.

      Imagine how damaged all our mitochondrial DNA is from our mothers because of this, generations of trauma. And further, the eggs that made up YOU, were inside your mom as a baby, when she was inside HER mom. Meaning your grandma’s stress during and before pregnancy with your mom, had a direct impact on you as an egg. And further further, you get 100% of your cells from your mother, and 50% of your DNA. But every cell of life in your body came from your mother. Her stress and abuse has caused damage to the human condition imo and it is therefore vital to treat women well even if you only care about men.

      And a key piece of taking good care of humans, is freedom and bodily autonomy, which form the basis for respect in most animal species.

      Which is why misogyny hates all of that and why misogynists also tend to like hurting animals too.

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        This is a perfect description of the male and female meta. It is why males are stronger. Not to protect or lead, but to control through fear and violence.

        It’s a priviledge men developed a higher sensitivity to oxytocin to compensate for a lower expression of the stuff. Enabling men to give a damn about someone other than their desire to dominate. Men can love their partner, their family, friends, their pets because of this.

        Chimps ain’t that lucky, and males would rather watch an orphan die from neglect (and eat it) than take care of it. The males are known to kill females for showing assertive behaviour.

        Same goes for prolactin in the brain, that makes humans more monogamous and increases a desire to protect something you care about. It never was a male feature before, but it became one in humans. It even peaks after the baby is born and the father is exposed to seeing his baby. Over time, similar adaptations to the brains of pregnant women, are seen in father’s brains. Which is amazing.

        Men ain’t that bad, but old habits die hard. Men are more aggressive, stronger, more impulsive and less afraid of consequences on average compared to women. Those who were better at avoiding male aggression, lived longer. Hence why estrogens play a role in stimulating brain development in areas essential to risk assesment, consequence sensitivity, resistance to suicide, thinking ahead, planning, reading emotions (of themselves and others), learning and memory, reducing own aggression, communication and impulse control. Giving women an edge in academical performance despite there not being a statistical difference in intelligence. (Imagine if men had these boons instead…)

        While all those obvious “big scary male” traits in men makes them seem like a bigger threat, women are well equipped and know how to dominate and eliminate people indirectly.

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        Puh what a rant.

        I actually just want to correct you on one thing and I am also Not sure what you really meant.

        But we dont get 100% of our cells from our mothers. We get the mitochondria from our mothers. The cells that enclose those mitochondria are perfectly 50/50 after fertilisation.

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          Wrong. We get 100% of our cells from our mothers She grows every cell. The (1) cell contributed by the father, the sperm cell, is destroyed in the process of DNA exchange/fertilization. Only the egg cell remains, fertilized with 50% DNA from each parent, and it then begins to divide of course. And all of those divisions are of the mother, inside the mother, from the mother’s body. Every cell is created by your mother.

          DNA is a different thing, our DNA is in all of our cells, and the information of that DNA is 50/50 (except mitochondrial DNA which 100% mother), but the actual physical amino acids of that DNA were all made by the mother’s body.

          Eg I make a sandwich. 50% of the recipe came from me, 50% from Martha Stewart’s cookbook. I provide all ingredients, I make it, I eat it. Martha just provided instructions on how she makes hers and I replicated half of that along with half of my ideas to make a new sandwich.

          Men only provide 50% DNA at conception which is 50% INFO, not actual biological material, not cells.

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            Omg…

            Okay, so you do realize that there is no such thing as an „intrinsic mother essence“, right? These are just molecules.

            It does NOT matter where the material came from, as long as the molecules are provided. That said, the cells will create most of the molecules variations themself from base molecules, e.g. in case of fatty acid derivatives. Molecules related to energy transfer like NAD or ATP e.g. are generally not provided by the mother but directly synthesized in the cells from predecessor molecules. Similar to all the proteins.

            Additionally, there are molecules that are only provided by the mothers body but not synthesized like essential amino acids. They actually have an external origin.

            Neither are your cells cow cells because you drink milk or tomato cells because you eat tomatos.

            Not sure how the provision of building blocks makes these cells the mothers cells. They Are NOT cells of the mothers body.

            You are absolutely clueless, I fear.

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              I never said there was a “mother essence”, don’t strawman.

              Amino acids rarely come in their broken down form, the mother digests them to break them down. That’s how cow milk is broken down into its parts, as you so wisely point out later.

              Further, she provides all those molecules and the first molecule.

              She made those cells. Why do you want to deny this? It’s honestly so funny, like you’re discovering pregnancy for the first time

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                Look, whatever dude. Believe in a flat earth or whatever you like.

                Still, The fetus‘ cells are not cells of the mother. The few molecules of the egg cell quickly dilute in a sea of newly synthesized molecules by the metabolism of the zygote and its repeating cell Division cycle.

                You can keep repeating „because the building blocks are provided by the mother“. But that does not make the cells any more their mothers cells than, again, you being a cow when consuming milk. Your logic does Not make sense.

                Its similar (not like) recycling. If I melt down metal from old computers to create a new computer. Then we have actually new components, a new computer. Its Not made up of the old Computer in a conventional sense. Sure on the atomic level its mostly the same atoms, but Talking about inheritance on that level brings the discussion to a completely ridiculous level.

                Not sure how you justify any other view on this. Certainly not on the grounds of natural sciences or logic.

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                  Lol it’s not flat earth. Who has the egg? Whose cell is the egg? The zygote is primarily made of the egg and the division and supplies for such are from the mother.

                  Again, cow’s milk goes in your mouth. Whereas this is being synthesized in your uterus. It’s different, no matter how much you want it to be the same. It’s more akin to a tumor.

                  The cells come from the mother. They certainly don’t come from the father or from nothingness. Ergo, from mom. That’s how that works. Matter neither created nor destroyed, thermodynamics, etc

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                    Again, I think you are clueless. I agree there is much more nuance to the whole process with hormone gradients and things, but the embryo is its own thing, basically wrapped in a construction site and supplied with building blocks, no matter how hard you wish for the opposite.

                    And yes, that is pretty much comparable to digestion in a humans that are out of the uterus in the sense that they get stuff to break down, derive building blocks and build up again. The mother takes over the digestion part for embryos, but there is not more magic to this than that.