America is becoming the most vile country on the planet.
You fucking idiots voted in an orange muppet rapist who’s being controlled by a Russian dictator while sending secret communications between a drunk ex showman who now runs the military.
You get what you voted for. Enjoy having your kids in blueberry fields and coal mines to continue building wealth for the rich for penny’s.
Meanwhile, those of us that most definitely did NOT vote for this are faced with new horrors every day, right here in our own country. It’s just a blast watching our former allies shutting the door and giving the entire population the finger when we are facing a crisis like this. I have to wonder, was this what it was like during the Nazi’s rise to power? Did other nations turn a blind eye and say “not my problem”? Now the formerly so called leader of the free world has been taken down by the oligarchs and so many countries and people are saying good luck, get fucked. I guess it’s fine to overthrow some back water country in the name of “democracy” but the US can rot right? Not like this will have any impact on global relations or climate change, right?
To be clear, I’m not attacking you, I’m just frustrated to see this happening around me and seeing so little support for the people here that want absolutely nothing to do with it. There are a lot of people here that don’t deserve what’s coming, that have voted, campaigned, protested and argued against it, and I really wish people took the time to understand that nuance to not just this situation, but everything.
To those that lend encouragement and support to anyone standing against this, thank you, whole heartedly, because we absolutely need it.
It’s easier to roll into an underdeveloped nation than into the nation with the biggest military (and economy I think?) in the world!
Best we can do from the outside right now is help you guys help yourselves, by showing you that the last choice was a bad one so you may make a better choice next time. At least that’s all we can do officially and publicly.
I doubt there will be a true next time. Trump own all of the swing states which was real weird. It will be done on a larger scale next time. The only way we will get out of this is blood.
I’m hoping some of the other nations will provide us a way to escape by accepting those of us that wish to leave. I fully intend to try to get my family out if the worst comes to pass. As a white man with a black wife and a biracial son, I’m frankly terrified of all the white supremacy normalization going on. I’m just not sure what countries would be willing to have us. I’m neither rich nor particularly talented, but I’m willing to learn and work.
Agreed. It’s already starting with scientists that leave the us and come to Europe, and I hope we’ll welcome more of you with open arms in the future. Unfortunately the anti immigrant sentiment is growing in Europe as well, so it’s really unclear.
Providing support and resources for movements that are opposed to Project 2025 and the rise of fascism would be nice, but at the least how about drawing a distinction between the fascists and anti fascists. I’m tired of my friends, family, and myaelf being lumped in with the fascists. Don’t think your own country is immune to fascism either. I see a lot of countries whipping up nationalism in response to what’s happening here, and that’s troubling.
Providing support and resources for movements that are opposed to Project 2025 and the rise of fascism would be nice
So you expect countries with smaller militaries (ie. all of them) to openly fund groups opposing a democratically elected leader?
but at the least how about drawing a distinction between the fascists and anti fascists
We recognize the distinction, but you have to be aware that you are unfortunately a minority in the country. Less than a third of Americans actually voted against this.
Not everyone in Russia supports the war in Ukraine, and I 100% support anyone trying to leave Russia or the Russian military, but Russia as a country can get fucked and needs to collapse for the good of the world.
So you expect countries with smaller militaries (ie. all of them) to openly fund groups opposing a democratically elected leader?
Why not? How often do people talk about using a time machine to take out Hitler? How is this different?
We recognize the distinction, but you have to be aware that you are unfortunately a minority in the country. Less than a third of Americans actually voted against this.
This ignores the destruction of the democratic process through gerrymandering, voter suppression, and voter intimidation, not to mention the very real possibility that voting systems were compromised. Of the people that were of age, were able, and did vote, just over half voted for Trump, assuming voting tallies were accurate.
I don’t expect anyone to be out saviors, in fact I expect things to go much like Nazi Germany, where the infection of fascism spreads across the globe and many of the people around me including myself and my kids will probably die. The collapse of the US will not, and is not happening in a vacuum. And before you suggest that I take on the federal government, look at what happened in Hong Kong. Outside support and intervention in coordination with resistance elements in the US is absolutely critical.
Because it would justify any retaliation (including military) from Trump and his sycophants.
Of the people that were of age, were able, and did vote, just over half voted for Trump
Right, over 50% of people who did vote voted for Trump, and unless your arguing that everyone that did not vote did it as a result of voter suppression or intimidation, the % of people that just chose not to vote adds to the % of the population that were fine with this.
If the “popular vote” went to Kamala there would be an argument to be had, but it didn’t. By all available evidence this is what the USA voted for. Why is it the responsibility of other countries to intervene in what people voted for?
assuming voting tallies were accurate.
Provide some evidence that they weren’t and you’ll be far more likely to get support from other countries.
The collapse of the US will not, and is not happening in a vacuum
Correct, and I do not fault any government for not sending money to resistance groups in the US that they could be using to support their own population in the coming economic crash.
This just sounds like more selfish Americentrism, “Why aren’t other countries doing more to help America? Yes, America did it to it’s self, and now if other countries don’t spend considerable resources helping us then they are just being selfish!”
Less than a third voted for him, too. Millions are disenfranchised and millions more recognize that there is no correlation between desires and outcomes when it comes to voting.
Prediction: what EU and China will be doing shortly - not out of good will, but because they were wronged and they know the problem is Trump, not the United States in general - will be carefully targeted tariffs designed to hurt Trump’s main support bases. It’s been done before.
Canada is also specifically targeting red states with retaliatory tariffs. Somehow I doubt that is the sort of “help for the American people” OP is asking for.
Also, there was a shit ton of shenanigans going on during the last election. Other countries boycotting our products will absolutely help us. If it costs the 1% money, he will be taken down a notch. The oligarchs are in this for the money after all.
The pearl clutching of many non-north American people is becoming nearly comedic.
It’s always been “you shouldn’t lump everyone on that label as the same because they aren’t” up to now, so it sure is “confusing” as to why suddenly all Americans bad.
America is becoming the most vile country on the planet.
You fucking idiots voted in an orange muppet rapist who’s being controlled by a Russian dictator while sending secret communications between a drunk ex showman who now runs the military.
You get what you voted for. Enjoy having your kids in blueberry fields and coal mines to continue building wealth for the rich for penny’s.
Pathetic. America is pathetic.
Meanwhile, those of us that most definitely did NOT vote for this are faced with new horrors every day, right here in our own country. It’s just a blast watching our former allies shutting the door and giving the entire population the finger when we are facing a crisis like this. I have to wonder, was this what it was like during the Nazi’s rise to power? Did other nations turn a blind eye and say “not my problem”? Now the formerly so called leader of the free world has been taken down by the oligarchs and so many countries and people are saying good luck, get fucked. I guess it’s fine to overthrow some back water country in the name of “democracy” but the US can rot right? Not like this will have any impact on global relations or climate change, right?
To be clear, I’m not attacking you, I’m just frustrated to see this happening around me and seeing so little support for the people here that want absolutely nothing to do with it. There are a lot of people here that don’t deserve what’s coming, that have voted, campaigned, protested and argued against it, and I really wish people took the time to understand that nuance to not just this situation, but everything.
To those that lend encouragement and support to anyone standing against this, thank you, whole heartedly, because we absolutely need it.
It’s easier to roll into an underdeveloped nation than into the nation with the biggest military (and economy I think?) in the world!
Best we can do from the outside right now is help you guys help yourselves, by showing you that the last choice was a bad one so you may make a better choice next time. At least that’s all we can do officially and publicly.
I doubt there will be a true next time. Trump own all of the swing states which was real weird. It will be done on a larger scale next time. The only way we will get out of this is blood.
I agree, that was really weird. But at least from what I saw nobody bat an eye in the grand scheme of things.
I’m hoping some of the other nations will provide us a way to escape by accepting those of us that wish to leave. I fully intend to try to get my family out if the worst comes to pass. As a white man with a black wife and a biracial son, I’m frankly terrified of all the white supremacy normalization going on. I’m just not sure what countries would be willing to have us. I’m neither rich nor particularly talented, but I’m willing to learn and work.
Agreed. It’s already starting with scientists that leave the us and come to Europe, and I hope we’ll welcome more of you with open arms in the future. Unfortunately the anti immigrant sentiment is growing in Europe as well, so it’s really unclear.
What specifically do you think other countries should be doing?
Providing support and resources for movements that are opposed to Project 2025 and the rise of fascism would be nice, but at the least how about drawing a distinction between the fascists and anti fascists. I’m tired of my friends, family, and myaelf being lumped in with the fascists. Don’t think your own country is immune to fascism either. I see a lot of countries whipping up nationalism in response to what’s happening here, and that’s troubling.
So you expect countries with smaller militaries (ie. all of them) to openly fund groups opposing a democratically elected leader?
We recognize the distinction, but you have to be aware that you are unfortunately a minority in the country. Less than a third of Americans actually voted against this.
Not everyone in Russia supports the war in Ukraine, and I 100% support anyone trying to leave Russia or the Russian military, but Russia as a country can get fucked and needs to collapse for the good of the world.
Why not? How often do people talk about using a time machine to take out Hitler? How is this different?
This ignores the destruction of the democratic process through gerrymandering, voter suppression, and voter intimidation, not to mention the very real possibility that voting systems were compromised. Of the people that were of age, were able, and did vote, just over half voted for Trump, assuming voting tallies were accurate.
I don’t expect anyone to be out saviors, in fact I expect things to go much like Nazi Germany, where the infection of fascism spreads across the globe and many of the people around me including myself and my kids will probably die. The collapse of the US will not, and is not happening in a vacuum. And before you suggest that I take on the federal government, look at what happened in Hong Kong. Outside support and intervention in coordination with resistance elements in the US is absolutely critical.
Because it would justify any retaliation (including military) from Trump and his sycophants.
Right, over 50% of people who did vote voted for Trump, and unless your arguing that everyone that did not vote did it as a result of voter suppression or intimidation, the % of people that just chose not to vote adds to the % of the population that were fine with this.
If the “popular vote” went to Kamala there would be an argument to be had, but it didn’t. By all available evidence this is what the USA voted for. Why is it the responsibility of other countries to intervene in what people voted for?
Provide some evidence that they weren’t and you’ll be far more likely to get support from other countries.
Correct, and I do not fault any government for not sending money to resistance groups in the US that they could be using to support their own population in the coming economic crash.
This just sounds like more selfish Americentrism, “Why aren’t other countries doing more to help America? Yes, America did it to it’s self, and now if other countries don’t spend considerable resources helping us then they are just being selfish!”
Less than a third voted for him, too. Millions are disenfranchised and millions more recognize that there is no correlation between desires and outcomes when it comes to voting.
Prediction: what EU and China will be doing shortly - not out of good will, but because they were wronged and they know the problem is Trump, not the United States in general - will be carefully targeted tariffs designed to hurt Trump’s main support bases. It’s been done before.
Canada is also specifically targeting red states with retaliatory tariffs. Somehow I doubt that is the sort of “help for the American people” OP is asking for.
You’re right but as a red stater this needs to be done to get my state senators heads out of their asses.
Countries need to target states specifically for economic pressure under a dictator
Also, there was a shit ton of shenanigans going on during the last election. Other countries boycotting our products will absolutely help us. If it costs the 1% money, he will be taken down a notch. The oligarchs are in this for the money after all.
The pearl clutching of many non-north American people is becoming nearly comedic.
It’s always been “you shouldn’t lump everyone on that label as the same because they aren’t” up to now, so it sure is “confusing” as to why suddenly all Americans bad.
The people who purposefully didn’t vote are the real fucking idiots.
There are a bunch right here on lemmy that took a “principled stance”, and fucked us realllllll fuckin hard.
Anyone who didn’t vote is fucking stupid as shit.
Those are the ones I truly hate. the MAGA I understand but the non-voters are the ones that piss me off.
But hey, at least they didn’t vote for genocide Joe or Kamala! That would’ve been just as bad.
Always has been.
Had you fooled for a while though, didn’t we? 👉😉👉
Yeah, but his competition laughed a little too much or some other bullshit reason so we couldn’t have elected her.