I’ve been thinking about this especially as tariffs are set to make non-plastic even more expensive, and we’re going to see EVEN MORE products that traditionally were glass/aluminum become plastic…Not just from an ‘ecowarrior’ thing but micro/nanoplastic pollution, what are your tips to avoid plastic packages as it seems increasingly the ‘only’ option for so many products now… even 75% of veggies at my local super are plastic wrapped with no alternative!!! Yes, I use the bulk section… what other tips/hacks do you have, if any?

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    You’re doing great already. At a macro level, the battle is all but lost. A third of a billion tons of plastic is produced every year. Almost nobody cares outside a smallish fringe of society in very developed countries (i.e. us). And the hydrocarbons industry needs new things to do with the oil it can’t burn. Also, plastic recycling is a red herring: it takes less energy to use virgin petroleum.

    The two priorities IMO should be:

    • Keep it out of waterways as much as possible. Above all this will mean education and resources in the developing world. In rich countries with waste management, the hard-to-fix issue is microplastics from synthetic clothes
    • Minimize the health risks

    For the second one, my basic principles are:

    • Never eat or drink from plastic receptacles to which heat has been applied
    • Avoid the rest where possible but don’t stress about it

    Microplastics are going to be a major environmental and health challenge because the problem is just so intractable. But there’s only so much an individual can do. Be a good consumer, be a good citizen and at the very least never forget to vote, and then just relax. It’s bad enough as it is without adding pointless anxiety to it.

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      You seem to know this, I’ve heard that bottled water is the biggest culprit, responsible for like 90% of microplastic intake. Does the same go for other drinks in plastic bottles, like soda and juice?

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        The type of liquid should not make much difference. It’s basically inescapable. At this point there’s not much left to do except cross fingers.

        Or drink tap water, which has far less of it and is obviously much better for the environment. To lose excess chlorine, just let the water stand overnight.

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      Recycling is not a red herring. Yes it uses more energy. Energy consumption is not the important metric. It uses fewer fossil fuels.

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        Energy consumption is the important metric because it almost certainly involves pollution. The supply of petroleum is essentially inexhaustible, certainly for the purpose of making plastic.

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                Going round in circles here.

                It costs less, takes less energy, and therefore creates less climate-heating CO2 pollution, to make plastic out of virgin petroleum than it does to create plastic out of plastic. That should not be surprising: a thermoplastic is just petroleum with the molecules fixed into hard-to-break bonds. Of course it’s going to be more efficient to start with the raw product.

                We all agree that we should be using less plastic. But assuming an equal amount of plastic usage, and assuming that waste plastic is kept out of waterways in sealed landfills (plastic does not biodegrade so it will not produce methane), then it makes more sense from an environmental perspective to simply use virgin plastic.

                Maybe that’s uncomfortable but it’s true. Plastic recycling is a mirage: it serves mainly to make consumers feel better about themselves. The closed loop just makes no sense due to the energy problem. That is not the case with glass, paper and especially aluminum, all of which are very efficiently recycled.

                Read this. I’ve said enough here.

                PS: added emphasis

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                  Oh, sure, if you assume used plastic is tightly and cleanly tucked away after use then creating new plastic doesn’t create more plastic, and energy becomes important.

                  But if we can’t get recycling right, why do you think we would get storage right? In fact, there are plenty of stories that show we don’t get storage right.

                  Recycling keeps the plastic out of the waste stream which otherwise just ends up in the environment.