Summary
Jasmine Mooney, a 35-year-old Canadian woman, has been detained in U.S. immigration facilities since March 3 after attempting to enter with an incomplete Trade NAFTA work visa application.
She was initially held at San Ysidro border crossing before being transferred in chains to detention centers in San Diego and Arizona.
Her mother, Alexis Eagles, reports inhumane conditions including overcrowded concrete cells with constant lighting and inadequate facilities.
Business partner BJ McCaslin called the situation a “nightmare” while Global Affairs Canada confirmed they’re aware but unable to intervene in U.S. immigration matters.
Fuck it, i’m saying it: Fuck you Americans, all of you. This isn’t only happening “because Trump” it’s happening because you’re all fucking letting it happen. Go occupy another sidewalk that oligarchs never walk on, feel good about yourself, do anything except go after the ones responsible for this. The proof is the reality that it’s happening, while you “2nd ammendment is why we allow kids to be shot to pieces in school” yet when it comes to step up you do nothing but whine. Seriously, fuck you, you’re a blight on humanity at the moment and you’re doing less than enough to prove to the world (and Canadians now) otherwise. People have been shouting about the oncoming train that’s been coming for decades, and you all refuse to see or hear, let alone act. Pathetic culture, pathetic people, you don’t belong in our future as you currently are.
Please stop grandstanding lol. There are grassroot leftist movements that have been organizing, setting up mutual aid networks, etc. for years. Guess who has been suppressing those movements? The State and Corporate media. And, man, they got you convinced that 340 million people in one of the most diverse countries in the world somehow all think the same. Obviously we don’t. If we did, it’d be a hell of a lot easier to organize the masses, wouldn’t it?
Launching an attack on the most powerful military in the world is going to require more than pea shooters, my guy. I know this is the first time Canadians have felt a legitimate threat on their democracy in like 200 years, unless your First Nations. Let’s be real— I’m in Texas and you’re in Canada. Odds are you are much closer to D.C. than majority of Americans actually are. You severely underestimate how large and spread out this empire actually is— hence why it is crumbling.
Well, if push came to shove, I’d stand with you anyway.
The common folk of the world need to find solidarity. Because this is gonna spread…
Amen comrad. The moment protests start happening outside millionaires and billionaires mansions and gated communities is when I wheel my disabled Graves diseased ass back out to protests again. The numbers are on our side.
As Jim Morrison said, “They got the guns, but we got the numbers.”
It is beyond shameful what my government is doing, though; I don’t fault you for the stance against all Americans. The worst part for me? I’ve seen this coming since I was in high school (over two decades ago). My entire adult life it’s been in the back of my mind. And here we are.
There’s no easy path forward. That’s for sure.
25% tariff on all your comments.
More tarriffs will surely help Americas recession.
We’re now talking big about 200% tariffs! Soon we’ll keep upping them to 400 and 1000% to make us feel bigly.
Truly the dumbest timeline.
It’s gonna be the best recession. Yuge! So many people are talking about it. They said it couldn’t be done. Now they’re saying trump is the only one who could have pulled this off. We’re gonna recess so far you wouldn’t believe it.
As another Canadian: I hate the US government, oligarchs, the loss of separation between church and state, and fascists. The US government has had terrible and negligent policies for much longer than the last 2 months. It’s just now there’s not even attempts to mask it and not nearly enough official resistance to it. America is being gutted beyond recognition as the same entity it was. I can empathize with what is, frankly, a rant from in4apenny even as I downvoted their post.
However I have many American friends I do NOT hate, and who do not hate me or covet my country. I do NOT agree with the “fuck everyone, you’re all a blight” position. I could write many arguments why, but the most important one is for many decades our countries have been stronger for being allies. If I want Canada to be the greatest nation it can be I have to recognize the contribution of a friendly USA that existed basically uninterrupted until two months ago. I 100% support the “elbows up, fight back hard” movement that is sweeping my nation, but with an eye for historical context of shared success. I hope for a return to that friendship when/if you folks manage to restore sanity. But that restoration is either going to be very messy or not happen at all, so we’ll see if the elbows ever get to come down again.
USA doesn’t want friendly relations with you though.
Nah, you’re clearly not paying attention or wilfully ignoring whatever doesn’t fit your position. It’s not even all MAGA folks that want to break up our national relationship and basically no one outside MAGA wants to at all. Even staunch conservatives are calling this the dumbest trade war ever. I think there’s a lot of indication that most American citizens and especially many businesses want cooperation with Canada.
Yet Trump/Musk and their regime are doing things their way anyway. Now what? Wait for the democrats to step in? lol
You are right that Trump/Musk are destroying America. You are wrong that they are unopposed because they certainly are in Canada, in many other parts of the world, and yes, inside the US. Re: the stakes - the USA is not taking over Canada, period. They are causing a lot of economic harm, but telling Americans they’re trash people that need to fuck off en masse does absolutely nothing to repair that damage. No matter what Trump tries to tell you and everyone else, this trade war is not popular among almost anyone. So what we do is keep on telling Trump to go fuck himself along with all those people, just as our nation is doing now.
If Americans do disappear and stop having a relationship with Canada as you suggest a HUGE number of Canadians are going to suffer. The only way to prevent that is to fight back as much as necessary and then work to restore the engine that keeps all those Canadians and Americans afloat. Basically as Canadians we need to stay the course, punish the US for it’s betrayal, strengthen ties elsewhere, but then also be open to reconciliation. Being toxic and vengeful is not going to help citizens of either country.
This assumes that USA can be repaired. It’s entirely possible that their people have crossed the line of no return, and are no longer able to start behaving in a civilized manner on average before crashing spectarularly.
If you don’t trust in the US citizens’ ability to repair their country, there’s not much sense in trying to build a nice relationship with them. And I’m not saying USA cannot repair itself. Maybe it can. What I’m saying is that it is plausible that many people do not believe USA has what it takes.
I can definitely see what you’re saying, and you seem to be hoping for the best and planning for the worst. Which is reasonable. I don’t disagree with you but I’d add to the conversation:
That’s what wise people say. And with that attitude, you’re likely to get both the good relationship and the respect.
But yeah… I’ve never been to USA, or anywhere in America for that matter. But I’ve visited the Russia several times, and even spent a month living there. And the MAGAts are looking pretty similar to the vatniks, and the vatniks (MAGA-analogues of the Russia) have not budged to sense, and have instead consolidated their position to the point that currently 70 to 90 percent of people in the Russia fall in that category, and most of the rest are still supporting their Ruler’s way. (I wonder if “Ruler” is the best way to translate “Vladelets”, the phrase Putin asked to be used of him)
There is still much hope, because in under two years there are the congressional elections, and they seem to have been designed in such a way that Trump will have a hard time trying to either prevent or fake them. But until that… I don’t know… It tells a lot that none of the US products you can buy in Europe have any no-slavery-certificates such as UTZ or Rainforest Alliance. It gives me an impression that people absolutely don’t care about right and wrong there at all. If they don’t, why would they protest in a way that matters to Trump?
“It may be dangerous to be America’s enemy, but to be America’s friend is fatal.” ― Henry Kissinger
If you’re relying on Henry Kissinger for advice I have no common ground to advance the conversation with. Also, that quote addresses none of the points I’ve made about either sovereignty or economics, and isn’t the dunk you appear to think it is.
You don’t have to trust the guy, just listen to what he’s saying and who’s saying it.
This American gets what you’re saying. I’m trying to figure out what I can do without ending up homeless.
So long as you get yours, right?
Staying housed is “getting yours”? Lmao, you’re delusional. And this is coming from a homeless person. I do not begrudge people who do what they can while maintaining shelter in the dead of winter. Frozen corpses can’t protest either, bud.
You’re acting like this is the Russian Revolution or something, stop making exaggerated excuses and focus on what’s happening in front of you. And as someone who has been homeless, you know as I know, you don’t have as much to lose as others so why are you making excuses?
Wtf, so we are supposed to be homeless with kids in tow? Since when is I get mine the simple fact of having a roof over my head?
Because it doesn’t guarantee a roof over theirs.
First comes fodder, then morals. When will US libs understand that. How does it feel there, up on your high horse, telling the pedestrians to stop wearing leather boots they should be vegans?
Try calling for solidarity instead of attacking people for wanting what’s due to every human by sole virtue of being human. Food, shelter, those things aren’t wishes of someone trying to deny the same to others.
Like you do?
Yes. Like I did by telling you to do that instead of preaching from the pulpit, you’re starting to get it.
And how does that make you feel? High and mighty, huh?
I understand the community-first perspective. I agree that we survive together or die together. But we also can’t pour from an empty cup. I can’t help others if I’m fighting to survive, forced to spend time hunting down food and water and a warm bed, which also takes time away from protesting and helping others.
Do you forsee yourself not fighting to survive later on then?
Dude, I’ve been working on this at a local level, and being homeless in the US might as well be a fucking death sentence. It paints a target on you at almost every level of society and it’s becoming increasingly impossible to escape. This is almost like shitting on someone for not wanting to get shot or get their family tortured.
These people did it - https://tribunemag.co.uk/2023/03/how-workers-won-the-weekend
All you’re telling me is you’re either too coward or don’t believe in a better future enough.
Here’s a bonus: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nat_Turner’s_Rebellion – If only these people thought like you, I wonder where we’d be.
You want to fight for freedom but without any risk? You can’t have your cake and eat it too.
EDIT - What about these people? https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/04/gaza-strip-protesters-received-bullet-wounds-to-ankles-medics-report Surely they have targets painted on their backs but protest anyway, and they have it much worse than Americans. Americans are cowards.
Look, I get that you’re trying to rabble rouse. I think there’s a lot of folks right now that are holding their breath to see if Trump is going to get distracted by some new stupid bullshit like he normally does.
The world has been holding their breaths for decades, when will you Americans stop drowning us all? You you you all you, fucking Americans amiright? You have it soooo bad awwwwww, hang on everybody keep waiting for things to get worse, Americans aren’t coming up for air yet! No, i’m not rabble rousing, i’m pissed off at your American baby excuses, I swear I know 10 year olds that have more sense of accountability or responsibility.
idk what to tell you, my guy. The ruling class aggressively shit its pants when these labor wins were piling up, and we’ve had non-stop red scares, counter-intelligence ops, and right-wing propaganda ever since. What you’re proposing, that everyone just get up and start the next great revolution because Trump is saying stuff, is a fairy tale; it’s about as likely as my potted plant turning into an alligator. I’m very confident shit’s going to fall apart quick if Trump does actually try to start a war with Canada, but until then, I don’t think that it feels real enough to most folks to chance getting thrown in a private prison or turned into a predator drone video. When things destabilize, that’s where there will be opportunities, but the only opportunities right now is getting smoked by the cops, getting scooped by the glowies, or doing something completely ineffectual and getting your teeth knocked in by the cops anyway.
Nah, I’m good thanks.
How about you come down and burn the WH again?
That was the brits. People always say it was Canada, but it wasn’t. The guys in charge of that raid were in Canada for less then a year, and died later on in the same year they burned the WH - the leaders had spent most of their time on campaigns in EU / northern africa. The troops were all trained in the uk. Canada wasn’t even a ‘country’ for decades after that event – there’s no way we had our own trained army/generals involved. Hell, the (great?) granddaughter of one of the two generals who did it, is Olivia Wilde – from her scottish roots (Cockburn). So not even the guys kids/descendants were Canadian – they became US people in Hollywood.
Lotta Canadians like to take credit for it though, but realistically it wasn’t us.
I’d say that you Canadians do deserve some credit. Yes, it was the Brit’s regulars that did the burning of government buildings (no longer distracted by that Napoleon fellow, they were able to use their veteran forces, rather than people from the W bench). However, Canadian militia made it possible by guarding the North.
I’d rather the Americans did it rather than making others do their work for them as usual.
Re: Retorts to this in this thread-
note: “Europe” here refers to imported European culture in America
Yeah I was already wondering it’s not like actual Europeans get defensive about our influence. There’s nothing European about WASP(ish) culture, they’re about as European as chuds with Greek statute avatars are Greek: It’s a fetish, a signifier to dangle around in front of one set of people to consider themselves superior, and then hide when they’re facing the Old Continent proper, then it’s “Europoor”, “we pay for your healthcare”, whatnot. It’s a culture which refuses to recognise itself, and thus is forced to define itself in opposition to others, for doing otherwise would imply acknowledging that the cultural highlight of the year, what everyone is talking about for days and weeks on end, what unifies them as a people, are the ads during superbowl. When pressed, then, you point their mind, deliberately or not, to address the question “are you actually European”, and of course they’ll get defensive you’re attacking the charade surrounding the core of their identity. If I were pressed to describe that kind of culture in a single sentence I would choose a single word: Alienation.
While this may be true for a lot of Americans, plenty are essentially trapped. Our education system basically ensures that we don’t have the language skills or cultural understanding to get a decent job in most any other country. And the work style that has been drilled into us since birth isn’t welcome in most other countries either.
Many of us have kids born before this path was clearly the way things are going. I wouldn’t choose to have kids these days in the US unless I had like family outside the country so I knew I had an escape path.
Those that can leave, have been doing so. The rest are or feel trapped. They simply have too much to lose, and little chance of a decent life if they leave.
I for example can’t fight back against my government in the most effective ways because I have kids. And they deserve a chance to make their own decisions about polotics. But if I say damage something important, they won’t likely get much of a choice since I won’t be able to support them anymore. And because of our healthcare system, no job means extremely substandard healthcare. So like my autistic son would probably never be able to manage his own life. That is the delema many of us face.
Considering where things are going, isn’t protecting your kids a reason to not show up to work and show up to protest? What will you say to them if they ask, “Did you do anything to fight back and protect us?” The saddest part is reading/hearing stuff like this, because one day “I have kids to protect” becomes your reasoning to march towards certain death in a battlefield, why wait till it gets to that point? Reminds me of what Aaron Bushnell said, "Many of us like to ask ourselves, what would I do if I was alive during slavery? Or the Jim Crow South? Or apartheid? What would I do if my country was committing genocide? The answer is, you’re doing it. Right now.”
So let’s play this out you go to a protest instead of you job. Then you get fired from your job, so now you have no health insurance for yourself or your children. The job market is shit right now, since we just had an influx of former government employees, so good luck on finding a new job. Going to work is protecting your children. It’s how the hyper capitalistic society works. I hate it and want out so bad, but it just keeps getting worse. Most Americans retirement is in 401k which is a horrible idea basing your retirement income on the stock market. We are just fucked.
Sounds like something to protest about.
Sounds like something to protest about.
Sounds like something to protest about.
If you say so.
Sounds like something to protest about, if you want out bad enough.
Sounds like something to protest about.
How did workers get weekends?
And while they’re out there protesting for weeks, months, years, how are they going to feed their kids and keep them from freezing? Being unable to provide shelter and basic necessities to your children is a good way to lose them…
Lemme guess, they should protest about that? I guess now that they have nothing left to lose…
Jfc, you really don’t understand why someone might prioritize stability for their family over torching the lives of everyone they love? Try some empathy, man.
Perhaps after those week, months, years you might have the intelligence to realize it’s not working and to try something else, or adapt, or work harder. Did you ever think of that?
Perhaps we should ask the Hong Kong citizens how to protest, they seem pretty successful, oh wait…
https://tribunemag.co.uk/2023/03/how-workers-won-the-weekend
You really think a protest is going to work? I wouldn’t be surprised if we read about the military shooting protesters in the near future. It almost happened in his first term
Ukraine, back then under Putin’s rule, was shooting protesters in 2014. The people stood firm. A hundred people got shot, the other 42 million avoided slavery.
True, but it’s a start. Will only get worse if you wait longer though, if you wanted prevent this reality you could’ve done more. Can’t change that now, no use feeling guilty about it, can only decide what you do now for the future you want. That’s why i’m begging you Americans to do more.
Troll
Dude has been ranting for HOURS lmao
You’ve been reading for hours too. Please enlighten us and keep making toilet jokes to distract from going out to protests. I swear this is r/worldnews all over again.
Newton’s Flaming Laser Sword
Occams Razer can suck it compared to Newtons Flaming Laser Sword.
You have illustrated just how unhinged you are in the rest of your comments. You don’t seem to understand that we are all trying to live our relatively normal lives while also figuring out what to do about this.
Here’s a hypothetical: I have two children under 6, my wife works full-time, I work 50 hours a week to keep a roof over my family’s heads and food in their mouths, I also make 2/3 of our household income, we have no real support system to speak of. We’re in Texas, so the allies I have are extremely limited, and do not include any of my family other than my brother, who doesn’t live here. We’re trying to figure out how to get out of here but it’s difficult and frankly I don’t know if we can afford it.
So you’re suggesting I do what? Go buy a gun for me and the three able bodied liberals I know (also fathers of young children) , kiss my family goodbye, drive for 2 days, get fired, and go do ourselves a good ol domestic terrorism? So you can feel better about the hell that WE not you are living through? And all because I committed the crime of being born in the wrong place and unable to escape? Get fucked.
This is the problem, and where you immediately lost me. How in the god-loving fuck are you trying to live relatively normal lives in a time like this?! It’s proving my point, ya’ll are fucking brainwashed into submission or something. At least the French burn their cities down over a park or public transportation, meanwhile Americans answer to their collapsing democracy while dragging the world down with them is “Hey we’re just trying to live a normal life.” Do you know how selfish, “I get mine”, savagely individualistic that looks to everywhere else in the world except Americans? I want to shake you!
What am i, one unaffiliated person, going to do against a tyrannical government? Go commit suicide by cop? You are literally asking me to martyr myself and my family for your feelings.
I’m asking you to do what you can to stop a situation that’s far worse than the situation you described.
If you feel that strongly, how come you only comment in posts about the US?
What does that have to do with Americans not taking enough action? I’m not an American.
I know you’re not American. But hot damn you sure are obsessed over us.
Why don’t you spend some time in posts about your own country for a few minutes?
“Living next to you is in some ways like sleeping with an elephant. No matter how friendly and even-tempered is the beast, if I can call it that, one is affected by every twitch and grunt.”
Imagine criticizing the person forced into bed with the elephant for speaking up when the elephant behaves poorly.
It’s the American mindset, they hide behind their excuses like a domestic abuser.
Because my country isn’t facing a constitutional crisis of globally impactful magnitudes, in fact, American ineptitude is affecting our country. But clearly you Americans are quick to blame people from other countries for your own problems.
Why don’t you spend some time gathering a crowd outside billionaires mansions or gated communities?
Ranting on Lemmy definitely helps, I’m so proud of you.
So do your witty remarks on Lemmy, that’ll really show the billionaires! Now go back to work, obedient American.
Replying to a dude that is sitting on the toilet really helps as well, what a champ!
When my kids ask me “What did you do to help?” I’ll have a long list of real-world attempts for them spanning over 14 years. I can at least comfortably say that I’ve tried. What will you say to your kids?
I hope your claimed real-world efforts are more meaningful than what I’m seeing from you in this post, because blanket insults posted online do not count. I get that you’re disgusted and angry, but you are not being constructive and there are better ways to tell people you are angry. If you are sick of being constructive and/or acknowledging the benefits of Canada-USA friendship I understand, but you should probably take a break from news/social media.
I am another Canadian btw.
I replied to you twice already, son.
Oh haha toilet jokes are more important, got it.
Who are you, again?
A human being. Why would I be anything less?