Update: Due to overwhelming support for defederation, we will be going through with that at 12am Moscow time (approx. 8hrs from now). Thanks to everyone who provided their feedback.

It’s come to our attention that the admins of europe.pub are allowing pro-genocide rhetoric and Nazi propaganda to be freely posted on their instance.

Additionally, the main perpetrator has been promoted to moderator on the [email protected] comm where they consistently post pro-ukrainian-nazi propaganda and wish death upon the Russian people.

Due to these factors and the unwillingness of europe.pub admins to act, we are holding a vote to defederate from their instance. Please comment with either an emote or yes/no to the question: should we defederate from europe.pub?

eu-cool or “Yes” - Defederate

poland-cool or “No” - Remain federated

        • Alaskaball [comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
          31·
          9 天前

          It’s even funnier that it took as long as it did for this whole thing to snowball considering that banderite has been posting nazi shit from day one on the EU pub’s Ukraine comm purely because I removed that comm on our end God knows when because it was filled with banderite nonsense.

          • Alaskaball [comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
            14·
            9 天前

            banderite has been posting nazi shit from day one on the EU pub’s Ukraine comm

            Speaking of which, if anyone wants to take a tour of that space to see what’s in the box, I’ve unilaterally un-removed the Ukraine comm so people can see what they’ve been missing out on from the comfort of their hexbear account instead of having to go onto the awful europub UI.

  • AssortedBiscuits [they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
    32·
    9 天前

    Additionally, the main perpetrator has been promoted to moderator on the [email protected] comm where they consistently post pro-ukrainian-nazi propaganda and wish death upon the Russian people.

    The real fucked up thing is being a mod of a Polish comm while denying war crimes perpetuated against Polish people. This is how far gone the admins are in “sticking it to Putler.”

        • CARCOSA [mirror/your pronouns]@hexbear.netMEnglish
          16·
          9 天前

          I talked about it with Ada and she said she would put up a vote on their end and we would on ours but since she never did I assume she has no interest in refederation.

          This was with the caveat that hexbear blocks the 196 community

          • kristina [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
            19·
            9 天前

            Yeah, ada sees it as her project, not a group project for the whole trans community. Marcie has tried many times to get us back together on something but it always explodes cause of Ada’s ego. Typical when a lib gets control of a trans space, really.

            • Infamousblt [any]@hexbear.netEnglish
              10·
              9 天前

              This is basically why I think it would be good for us to take a big first public step. Libs are almost always willing to cave to optics and I think our trans community voting strongly in favor of refed hurts the optics enough that Ada would be forced to capitulate.

              Although now that I posted this she could just go find this post and say SEE HEXBEAR TANKIE MODMINS ARE MANIPULATING THE TRANS COMMUNITY or something as if we aren’t part of it.

              I dunno. I just like Blahaj and think it’s such a shame that we don’t hang out anymore.

              Also sorry for hijacking this thread. I’ll stop now doggirl-sweat

              • kristina [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
                17·
                9 天前

                We had a big thing where we were trying to replicate r/diy or r/transsurgeries from reddit on a separate 3rd instance, Marcie got like 15 people in the same chat who were interested in working on it then ada pulled the plug on it basically when they weren’t all going to do 100% exactly as she said essentially. Oh well 🤷‍♀️

          • Infamousblt [any]@hexbear.netEnglish
            8·
            9 天前

            Might be worth doing on our end anyway. Show a good faith effort. It’s slightly performative but I think if our community shows overwhelming support for reconciliation it might put some pressure on. I mean maybe the Blahaj community hates us and we show support for it and they just laugh at us and if so, fine, but I’m usually in favor of being the bigger person and showing up first.

            Or maybe our community is like fuck no and okay. Either way I think putting in the effort doesn’t hurt. Although I know you’re always putting in a lot of effort in a lot of places so maybe this isn’t the best use of your time right now either.

            Just my 2 beanis

        • Carcharodonna [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
          8·
          9 天前

          I understand and accept why we de federated from them initially but it still makes me sad that the two biggest explicitly pro-trans instances are separated. I still hope someday we can settle any differences, especially considering certain elements pushing division are no longer there.

          Then I’ll be able to post in the boykisser comm from my normal hexbear account.

            • Carcharodonna [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
              7·
              9 天前

              Well, if I remember correctly it was us that decided to defed initially and I felt the reasons for it were valid at the time. Again, though, things have changed since and I’d be curious to hear opinions here from people why or why not we should refed with them.

  • Babs [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
    21·
    9 天前

    poland-cool We struggle less among ourselves when there is some chum in the water. Bully the Banderites until they cut us off.

  • Super_Lumalo [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
    20·
    9 天前

    Nie mam siły patrzeć na takich kompletnych debili, weźcie się kurwa pozbądźcie ich żebym mógł znowu lurkować w spokoju. Nie mam jakiegokolwiek zamiaru widzieć takiego gówna sortując po brigading

    A poza tym kim ona jest, żeby zarządzać społeczność o Polsce? Czy ona nawet umię gram polskiego? Czy jest zaznajomina z naszą kulturą (lub jej brakiem lol), realiami politycznimi i ten teges? Jakby z takim podejściem do Rosji to pasowała by w sam raz do naszych libków ale chuj, tylko tyle ją łączy na pierwszy rzut oka. Jakby też, co to kurwa za posty, powinna pisać w społeczności ukraińskiej czy coś.

    eu-cool

    Ingles?

    Nie chcę mi się kurwa, poradzisz se. Mądra z ciebie morda. stalin-heart

    • Alaskaball [comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
      30·
      9 天前

      Just like clockwork, the Ukrainian fascist who’s now in charge of the Polish comm @[email protected] is silencing actual Polish citizens to push her genocidal historically revisionist propaganda in a vain effort to silence and bury the truth that the heroes the current Ukrainian regime worships was as murderous and genocidal as the German Nazis they worked for as Schweinehund cronies

    • Alaskaball [comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
      26·
      9 天前

      I’m just mad their jackass admin deleted my refutation of that banderite when I posted the full source of Władysław Filar Article titled “Antypolskie akcje nacjonalistów ukraińskich” in full Polish, in respect to the fact its a Polish Community that should be filled with Polish language, and not with a bunch of Ukrainian fascist nonsense.

      Source of article below.

      https://www.lwow.com.pl/wolyn.html

    • isa41@lemm.eeEnglish
      5·
      8 天前

      They were just doing a drive to try to get people to mod for that comm. As we know they settled for a fascist, which makes them no better. I’m sure they wouldn’t have allowed any communist (read: “aUtHoRiTaRiAn”) Pole into the position. But if you made an .ml account and most importantly, hid your power levels, they might let you onto the small mod team, especially if they were having as hard a time as they claimed finding any takers. Your fluency would probably go a long ways with winning them over. Obviously you’d have to actually want to take on the hassle of doing it, and playing a part for a while, but I don’t know, some people would find that fun and amusing. If you made it on, just playing the “fair and balanced” card, I’d bet you could help ensure some actual reality makes it through rather than every single good comment getting removed. Just a thought.

      • Super_Lumalo [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
        6·
        8 天前

        Yeah would be fun I guess, but I’m a dirty grass touching org member now. Unfortunately I’ve got important things to do, rather than worry about some random ass forum on the internet. I’ll just stick to posting on here from time to time.

        • isa41@lemm.eeEnglish
          5·
          8 天前

          Without a doubt, that’s the healthier, better option.

          Still kitty-birthday-sad tho

  • anarchoilluminati [comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
    20·
    9 天前

    I guess I’ll be an enlightened, radical centrist and abstain.

    I’m cool with defederating them, but also think it would be fine to stay federated with them and PPB them until they defederate with us, which is probably inevitable. Either way, fuck those Nazis.

    refuse-the-question

  • MoreAmphibians [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
    19·
    9 天前

    Yes, I do believe that Moscow must be destroyed, thats why my advice to all people - run away from Moscow) Destruction of Moscow is not “calling for genocide of entire ethnic group”, you are misleading readers and slandering me.

    Photos are very easy to fake. Can you distinguish Ukrainian from a Russian? These are ordinary Russian fakes and are not evidence at all. Back in the early 20th century, Russians dressed up as Ukrainian defenders (UPA) and committed crimes in order to accuse Ukrainians. I asked you specifically because there are certain features by which you can determine what Nazism is. Can you name them? And then what force is the opposite of Nazism. It seems like a simple question.

    Absolutely. Because Polish politicians use Volyn tragedy to manipulate minds of Poles. And I believe it is unfair to accuse Ukraine and Ukrainians in crimes made by Soviet regime. Why do Polish politicians do not talk about crimes of Moscow in Poland? Obviously Polish politicians are working in interests of russia… Poland has a good tradition when their goverment betrays them…

    It is unfair when Ukraine and Ukrainians are accused in crimes made by Moscow regime. OUN and UPA in case you do not know were fighting against soviet nazi from one side and against german nazi from other side. But ‘winner writes history’ and the winner was USSR. Polish people you should understand one thing, Ukraine will fight for you if your country will be attacked by russia. It is the most important that you should know.

    This is hateful antiukrainian speech aimed to destroy relations between Ukraine and Poland, to get the support of the Poles in the future actions of the government in order to prevent the victory of Ukraine, as well as to prevent the restoration of the Commonwealth. This is a primitive post, you will not succeed, you will pay for all your crimes, you will pay with own territories. MOSCOW MUST BE DESTROYED!

    Is it antirussian to blame Ukraine and Ukrainians in crimes made by Moscow regime?) Either you support Kyiv or Moscow. Poland, Belorus without Ukraine are unable to defend themselves. Did polish people forget how they occupied Moscow under leadership of Ukrainian hetman Sahaidachny and polish king Vladyslav?

    Very weird poster. It’s also odd that Ukraine is taking credit for atrocities apparently perpetrated by the Soviet Union? I wonder why they made this one month old account a mod. Also a very poor understanding of history.