In trying to denounce an “easy answer,” you came to worse conclusions. The Soviet model was far better than Capitalism is now for the post-Soviet states, and Socialism was far better than Tsarism as well.
Statistically, most people living in post-soviet states disagree with you, and this number gets higher when it polls specifically people old enough to have actually lived in Socialism. We can talk about specifics if you want, but just saying “you’re wrong” doesn’t really give me anything to respond to.
The people old enough to remember communism executed Caucescu in Romania and ousted both the Rákosi and the Kádár system in Hungary, the former through a violent uprising that required the USSR Red Army to intervene and start executing people. Sounds like people loved them, doesn’t it?
I’d go into detail through personal details how shit the system was on the ground, or through data how both systems were so badly ran that people starved to death (Rákosi) or that we’ve accumulated a debt spiral that Hungary didn’t fully repay until the 2000s (Kádár), but we both know you already decided they were superior anyway, so I won’t bother.
Yeah, I bet none of that 72% ever stood in line at the bakery, merely hoping there was still some bread left when they got to their turn. Or having to help offload PB gas bottles from the train, because otherwise it was almost guaranteed there wouldn’t be gas to cook with.
As for the poll, there’s a lot of complex social reasons behind it. But what I consider the most important is that we have the newest brand of authoritian government in power for the majority of the last 24 years with completely unchecked power, and the only things they are good at is corruption and brainwashing the voting populus. The last decade has been an unmitigated failure for Hungary, and despite that, it’s still ahead of the communist system I grew up in. We are quickly moving back to the same authoritarian system, though.
Edit: and since our current system is very intent on replicating the mistakes of the ole’ communist system in exactly the same manner, we are very much on track to implode again in the same way. Yay for us.
Seems like a lot of mental gymnastics to grapple with polling results, and vague gesturing at issues rather than actually grappling with how Socialism was better than Capitalism.
Ok, as always you try to glorify the Soviet Union despite everything, even against people whove been living in the SU.
May I ask you how old you are and in which country you habe been grown up?
Easy answers are never right. So capitalism is not >the< problem. For example: Look at the the history of the Soviet Union. Its way more complex
In trying to denounce an “easy answer,” you came to worse conclusions. The Soviet model was far better than Capitalism is now for the post-Soviet states, and Socialism was far better than Tsarism as well.
Living in a post-soviet state, you’re pretty damn wrong.
Statistically, most people living in post-soviet states disagree with you, and this number gets higher when it polls specifically people old enough to have actually lived in Socialism. We can talk about specifics if you want, but just saying “you’re wrong” doesn’t really give me anything to respond to.
The people old enough to remember communism executed Caucescu in Romania and ousted both the Rákosi and the Kádár system in Hungary, the former through a violent uprising that required the USSR Red Army to intervene and start executing people. Sounds like people loved them, doesn’t it?
I’d go into detail through personal details how shit the system was on the ground, or through data how both systems were so badly ran that people starved to death (Rákosi) or that we’ve accumulated a debt spiral that Hungary didn’t fully repay until the 2000s (Kádár), but we both know you already decided they were superior anyway, so I won’t bother.
72% of Hungarians claim they are worse off now than under Communism according to polling data. That isn’t a slim majority at all.
There’s much that can be critiqued about the USSR, but Socialism remained a better system than Capitalism and Tsarism.
Yeah, I bet none of that 72% ever stood in line at the bakery, merely hoping there was still some bread left when they got to their turn. Or having to help offload PB gas bottles from the train, because otherwise it was almost guaranteed there wouldn’t be gas to cook with.
As for the poll, there’s a lot of complex social reasons behind it. But what I consider the most important is that we have the newest brand of authoritian government in power for the majority of the last 24 years with completely unchecked power, and the only things they are good at is corruption and brainwashing the voting populus. The last decade has been an unmitigated failure for Hungary, and despite that, it’s still ahead of the communist system I grew up in. We are quickly moving back to the same authoritarian system, though.
Edit: and since our current system is very intent on replicating the mistakes of the ole’ communist system in exactly the same manner, we are very much on track to implode again in the same way. Yay for us.
Seems like a lot of mental gymnastics to grapple with polling results, and vague gesturing at issues rather than actually grappling with how Socialism was better than Capitalism.
Ok, as always you try to glorify the Soviet Union despite everything, even against people whove been living in the SU. May I ask you how old you are and in which country you habe been grown up?