It’s a pretty outdated view that US wine (primarily from California, Oregon, Washington) is of lesser quality of that of Europe. True, the big flagship wines -the first growth Bordeaux and premier cru Burgundy and Champagne, are rarely matched. But a large majority of American wine is on par with most European wine.
Now, of course I do not support tariffs on US imports of wine. But pushing back on the quality comment.
It’s only not allowed because the USA enforces that policy. Trump can decide tomorrow that USA sparkling wine can be called Champagne when sold in the USA and there’s nothing France can do about it.
The orange clown has shown us the rules are only any good if there’s someone who can enforce them. Most of them are just gentlemen’s agreements.
@veroxii@neo2478 right, and in terms of PDO there’s not much Europe could retaliate with. What is there? Bourbon and Tennessee Whiskey? I think those are the only geographical indicators they have. But Cory Doctorow came up with some good ideas. The EU has already brought in alternative app stores but I’m sure there are some other tech & IP considerations https://www.pluralistic.net/2025/01/15/beauty-eh/
I’ll grant you that good champagne is better than great domestic sparkling.
But “no matter how good it is?” I don’t care what something is called; there is good domestic sparkling, and there is bad champagne. I’d rather drink the “good “” without the label.
Interesting aside. Because the senate never recognized the article in The Treaty of Versailles that prohibited use of Champagne, there are producers on the US grandfathered into being able to, technically, use the term.
It’s a pretty outdated view that US wine (primarily from California, Oregon, Washington) is of lesser quality of that of Europe. True, the big flagship wines -the first growth Bordeaux and premier cru Burgundy and Champagne, are rarely matched. But a large majority of American wine is on par with most European wine.
Now, of course I do not support tariffs on US imports of wine. But pushing back on the quality comment.
Turns out the sun and vine do most of the work huh
But no matter how good it is, it will never be called champagne
It’s only not allowed because the USA enforces that policy. Trump can decide tomorrow that USA sparkling wine can be called Champagne when sold in the USA and there’s nothing France can do about it.
The orange clown has shown us the rules are only any good if there’s someone who can enforce them. Most of them are just gentlemen’s agreements.
@veroxii @neo2478 right, and in terms of PDO there’s not much Europe could retaliate with. What is there? Bourbon and Tennessee Whiskey? I think those are the only geographical indicators they have. But Cory Doctorow came up with some good ideas. The EU has already brought in alternative app stores but I’m sure there are some other tech & IP considerations https://www.pluralistic.net/2025/01/15/beauty-eh/
Yup. A lot of US income comes from predatory IP laws.
@person1 imagine if we applied normal copyright to Disney
yeah. it is called disney law in usa for a reason
I’ll grant you that good champagne is better than great domestic sparkling.
But “no matter how good it is?” I don’t care what something is called; there is good domestic sparkling, and there is bad champagne. I’d rather drink the “good “” without the label.
Interesting aside. Because the senate never recognized the article in The Treaty of Versailles that prohibited use of Champagne, there are producers on the US grandfathered into being able to, technically, use the term.