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Germans know the evil and danger of nazis and fascism better then anyone else. Fuck Trump and fuck Elon
Those people are hero’s. Happy to see people are fighting back.
tja.
Why do I see this right after watching Retribution
Imagine you buy a car and it gets burned down because the owner of the car company turns out to be a Nazi.
I would like Tesla to go bankrupt too but cheering on regular peoples property being destroyed is wrong.
Imagine parking next to a Tesla and your car becomes collateral damage.
Meh, they have insurance
some of them maybe? surely not all?
All cars are required to have insurance in most European countries, Germany included. Not sure if collateral damage by vandalism is covered by default, but most of the time you are covered against any damage that you yourself didn’t cause, so I assume it is covered.
Hopefully they had bubble insurance and now they’re freed of their magamobile and can buy something better.
Yeah because insurance companies are run by great people who are known for helping others.
This is Europe, not USA. We are not getting fucked by insurance companies on a daily basis - only weekly basis.
the magamobile… i know it has its issues, but the sad thing is, if you want an electric car as a person who does not care about car-people-things, the magamobile is one of the best options in terms of efficiency. ALSO in terms of used vehicles, you can get teslas so bloody cheap rn and for people who just want to get from A to B with Comfort and ease, you dont have so many other options.
I hadn’t even considered that this is causing the used market to drop out. We could be urging people who otherwise couldn’t or wouldn’t to adopt EVs. Could turn the negative into a positive.
Nope the “activists” say, burn em all.
yes!!! This is a great thing for the Used Market, especially when considering that the longer you drive an ev (with eco friendly energy) the better the thing is for the planet! GO BUY USED EVs!!! when you have Solar Power@Home (or biogas or whatever you can do to produce electric energy) a cheap used ev is the absolute best option when you need a car.
Sure, I have some sympathy for those who bought them years ago.
But let’s not mince words. If you buy a Tesla today, you are literally a Nazi collaborator.
Those who bought a Tesla much earlier were more like one of those few people who bought one of Hitler’s paintings during his starving artist phase.
I think Tesla owners should put anti elon stickers on theirbcars
You’re putting money in his pocket. Fuck your stickers.
How? What?
By enabling people to protest by buying Tesla and sticking anti ElMo stickers.
it could’ve caught fire on its own, it’s a tesla.
you should’ve known that when you bought the car too, before you knew about the nazism.
Yeah ICE cars catch fire 61x more often than EVs.
Facts are important. We want people to switch to EVs. Spreading falsehoods because it helps your own side short term is wrong.
no we don’t. we want people to switch to public transit
No. Both can be true.
So many people on social media cheering for vandalizing other people’s private property just because they disagree with the politics of the maker of their cars. Wild.
Because this is one of the only ways to attack a billionaire.
You’re not attacking a billionaire. You are attacking random private citizens.
Nah. The random private citizens get the insurance money. Premiums only go up for future Tesla owners.
Not everybody has insurance that covers vandalism. Most people have a deductible they need to pay before the insurance kick in. You are forcing people to take time out of their day to take the car to the shop for repairs and/or have to deal with long administrative tasks.
Premiums would not only go up for future Tesla owners.
Not everybody has insurance that covers vandalism.
Tesla owners should upgrade quickly.
Most people have a deductible they need to pay before the insurance kick in.
True. However the main financial impact on current Tesla owners is the falling 2nd hand market price. Current owners are already losing out. Nothing can be done about that.
You are forcing people to take time out of their day to take the car to the shop for repairs and/or have to deal with long administrative tasks.
So sell the Telsa if that is a worry.
Premiums would not only go up for future Tesla owners.
If only Teslas are vandalised then only that brands premiums are affected.
Specifically his ego, Musk is such a weakling that he sees ANY attack on Tesla as an attack on himself. That may be the point basically using the cars as proxy but the fact he legit gets so upset about it means it’s working. Also as I need to remention Musk is such a fucking weak little bitch that he gets sad when folks burn something his company produces.
But you hurt the regular people way more.
They don’t care. They are psychopaths,
If they are insured, no.
Insurance premiums will go up on teslas.
Then people will buy less tesla.
Then Musk will get margin called.
Premiums going up will hurt regular people more than Musk. Hurting your fellow countrymen is such a lefty thing to do…
It will only hurt people who continue to own Teslas when they renew their insurance. They are part of the demographic supporting Musk, so fuckem.
Yeah conservatives were totally the largest market for EVs before Musk took the mask off, right? You people truly have not spent even a microsecond thinking this through.
Read this thread man. People have become fucking deranged, cheering on destroying the property of people who likely had no reason to believe they’d be making car payments to a Nazi.
Frankly if you’re not out canvassing for politicians you support or helping organize a union or something but you can find the time to cheer on the destruction of what is likely a worker’s property, you need to get a grip.
If you own a Telsa, sell it. It sucks but Muskrat is actually dismantling decades of institutional organization. He’s an threat to our country and when it collapses he’ll just fly to the next country while we burn.
Flood the market with used Swasticars that nobody wants to be associated with and nobody will buy the new ones. Money is the only thing they understand.
He’s got the president of the u.s. on the front lawn hucking his cars, it’s hilarious and sad.
I don’t own one, but when I was considering which EV to buy they were on the list. I could have easily been just another Tesla owner, now getting their car burnt to a crisp or getting spray painted with Nazi symbols.
I am a unpaid union executive. I volunteer my time to groups like a Right-to-Repair advocacy organization. If the shitheads burning cars could get this motivated about these or other issues, we’d be knocking problems over like dominoes. Instead “activism” for a lot of people now means complaining on the internet and destroying the property of workers.
Frankly people need to take that type of activism and fuck right off with it. Do some real work or go home and let the adults figure it out.
I do all kinds of work organizing IRL thanks. Do you think the people that set the cars on fire were just online or something? Shitposting is useless, the real ones are taking it offline.
A bit of advice to an alleged Union man? Get some solidarity and stop supporting fascists scab. Support Unions by buying union-made cars, not ones made by a Union busting fascists.
You advise for solidarity by burning down cars of other regular people…
I advised the person claiming to be in a union to do their part and support unions, not union busters.
I advise solidarity with non-fascists by not supporting anything that puts money into a fascists pocket.
Personally I think targeting showrooms would be more effective but I’m 100% confident Evil Insurance Companies will make things right for the downtrodden Tesla owners and they can buy a new car. Judging by most people’s reactions, at least a few won’t buy a Tesla.
You could petition for adoption of an EV plug that isn’t Tesla’s. You could ask to have the Tesla supercharger network be declared anti-competitive and force Musk to divest. Bonus points if you can convince people it should be a public good.
Lots of moves could be made. Instead you advocate for bashing the fash by… Burning cars owned by workers? And somehow you fail to see how this is not just morally and logically wrong, it also harms the view of leftists in the eyes of the public?
Are you a real person or do you glow?
The time for petitions and lobbying have passed. Our regulatory agencies have been captured and our politicians bought.
In the future it’ll only get more and more dangerous to associate with Teslas at all. Anyone who values their personal safety should unload it now.
Sell to whom?
I hear Aquaman is buying em
If you own a Telsa, sell it.
Realistically, this makes no difference. Tesla has already got the money from the seller. The only person losing is the seller who now sells the car at lower price than they bought it for and have to put in more money to buy a replacement vehicle.
Flood the market with used Swasticars that nobody wants to be associated with and nobody will buy the new ones. Money is the only thing they understand.
The only ones who will buy Teslas now are conservatives and they will buy new ‘just to show support for Musk’.
The goal is not to destroy cars, it is to destroy what it represents.
Who said anything about destroying cars¿? I am just talking about selling them. I do hope the people whose cars were burnt had insurance. Then they could claim that and use it to buy a better car from a non nazi manufacturer.
Granted, but I was just pointing out that the act of burning teslas isn’t something that people do to “destroy cars so that Elon gets less money”. Mussolini wasn’t hanged upside down because his heels were stronger than his neck.
Funny house suddenly Teslas have become more valuable as an insurance payout then they are as a car.
What do you call it when half the Teslas in a showroom are on fire?
A good start.
A waste of resources.
They all could’ve been sold and the money used to help poor people.
Now there’s nothing. Yay.
They all could’ve been sold and the money used to help poor people.
Nice fantasy. But no, that was never going to happen in real life.
Now there’s nothing.
Now there’s a clear message in international headlines, and one heard by those trying to profit using Tesla.
Nice fantasy. But no, that was never going to happen in real life.
I know, it’s because you people value the wrong things. Doesn’t mean it’s not the proper solution.
It’s not because we value the wrong thing. It’s because of basic laws that protect us all.
How could they be reclaimed? They are owned by somebody who legally owns them. Unless the owner is found guilty of something that entitles the government to take possession then there’s no legal way to do that.
If someone is going to reclaim it illegally they’re also not going to use that money to help people. You don’t get many Robin Hoods so the criminals that do it are most likely to keep the proceeds for themselves.
How could they be reclaimed? They are owned by somebody who legally owns them. Unless the owner is found guilty of something that entitles the government to take possession then there’s no legal way to do that.
Keep in mind this article is about Teslas in Germany, where expropriation is legal if a judge deems it to be for the greater good. But that’s only really possible in theory and thus far doesn’t happen in practice
If that’s what the money was being used for Teslas wouldn’t be getting torched.
I’m saying these cars could’ve been reclaimed, sold, and then the money used to help poor people.
How do you just “reclaim” a vehicle, especially one with all these software and hardware dependencies. I don’t know if a stolen Tesla is worth anything at the moment besides scrap.
Sure, it’s a waste of resources, but those resources were never going to help anyone so it’s not really wasted.
How do you just “reclaim” a vehicle, especially one with all these software and hardware dependencies. I don’t know if a stolen Tesla is worth anything at the moment besides scrap.
How do you just burn a vehicle, especially with all those law enforcement officers ready to persecute you?
With a smile on my face.
So… you can steal the vehicle too. You can discuss and support policies that take the assets of the ruling class by force.
Sad this needs to be spelled out for you people, but I don’t expect more at this point.
I don’t think that’s how most car showrooms work, let alone Tesla showrooms.
Do they work by setting the cars on fire?
They work by giving all the money to Elon Musk, who needs it less than anyone on the planet except Jeff Besos.
The point wasn’t to make the showroom work though. It was to make the showroom not work, and fire does that job wonderfully.
Right. Instead of destroying these cars, we should’ve taken them, sold them, and used the money to help those in need.
Sorry this needs to be spelled out so many times for so many of you, but it really puts into perspective how “smart” the average internet user has gotten.
What do you mean “taken them” Do you think Elon just sells the cars and gives the money away? Or are you talking about stealing the cars? What do you think can be achieved with that? The car will be found eventually and returned. The person who bought the stolen car lost their money and politically you achieved nothing.
You’re correct, this course of action wouldn’t harm Elon Musk at all.
But I think you’re mistaking the user you’re talking to for something other than a right wing troll trying to sound like they care about poor people.
That’s a great idea… if that was ever done in the history of the world… ever
Hey, it’s why things are the way they are.
We don’t care to reduce the disparity in wealth.
I like your how nonsensical trying to connect unrelated things together, did you forget your meds. How do you propose to acquire something owned by some else that doesn’t belong to you
There should be a contest which region / country / city lights up the most.
Today i am not ashamed to be german for once :)
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Why did I just think of this bullshit after reading your comment?
Because your herd mentality causes you to assume the crowd is correct no matter what.
What’s your alternative? It has to be something that actually works
Instead of burning the cars without the owners’ permission, take them and sell them.
Use the money to help those in need.
Too many “smart people” in this comment chain assume that I mean asking the owners nicely to sell them. Did we ask the owners nicely to set the cars on fire?
Really puts into perspective how smart ya’ll are.
WHO IS GOING TO SELL THEM THEN?
From what you keep repeating over and over in this thread, it seeks like you think the German state should seize Tesla’s assets and sell them off.
That is an absolutely ridiculously unrealistic idea. But hey, let’s say you start campaigning for it TODAY. You start convincing all the “low average intelligence” people in order to get a sufficient portion of the population on board to sway politicians to seize Tesla.
(Note that this is not 50%; for example, legalizing abortions has had far wider support in the German population for a long time, yet it’s not happened so far.)
So let’s be really, REALLY optimistic and say, in 10 years you will be able to get a government voted in which enacts the seizure of Tesla assets, agaojat all corporate-backed influences and interests. And somehow change the Grundgesetz so Tesla can not spend years moving up the courts to prevent this.
Do you see how this does nothing TODAY? I’m all for the systemic change; go vote and campaign in that direction, but here, in this comment section you are not offering a realistic or timely solution. Should nothing he done until your “perfect” solution becomes workable?
Expropriating Teslas is possible without a change in the constitution but with a simple law, if they, in the individual case, can be considered means of production (Article 15 GG), though compensation is due. To expropriate under Article 14, you’d have to show that it’s for the public good, which would be a very tall order. It would also be possible to extend right-out seizing (without compensation) to traffic misbehaviour other than extreme speeding.
Article 15 has never been applied, though, so besides how generally pointless expropriating Teslas Elon already made his money with is don’t expect anything to happen before Berlin expropriates large landlords (>1000 flats) for real. Parties are doing their best to not follow up on the earlier referendum so right now the organisers are busy writing their own law which then can be referendumed into being directly applicable law.
You know what we should lobby for? Putting sanctions on Elon. In lieu of expropriating, that’d be expensive, just make him divest completely.
So did you already sold all your possessions to help the poor? That question is just as absurd as your comment.
There is no “solution” here, vehicles are not meant to be “solutions” by using their diminishing value to get money to help the poor. If they were, you would be saying this to EVERYONE that owns one, not even public transportation should be safe from your rhetoric.
This is the exact same mindset that makes fElon think that he can just give money to the UN and magically world hunger would be gone. No, simply no.
No… but if we’re going to burn these vehicles why not reclaim and sell them instead?
All of you “smart” people are making the same argument that the owners of these vehicles would have to choose to sell them. Did they choose to have them set on fire? No. So we can sell the vehicles instead of setting them on fire and use the money to help those in need.
Wow. It’s so sad this needs to be spelled out for you people, but it’s to be expected at this point.
reclaim and sell
I doubt the same people who are capable of setting one on fire and running away have the criminal contacts to be capable of getting into the car fencing business.
Right. It doesn’t have to be the “same people.” It should be what the people who are cheering for burning these vehicles support instead.
Once enough people support it, then culture changes and we start to see progress. We’re not there yet though!
There is no legal mechanism in place to “reclaim” these vehicles and force the owner to sell and redistribute to the poor, but I think you’d find widespread support here for something like that.
So instead they get torched, to send a message. I suspect it’ll get worse in the near future and I wouldn’t recommend buying one today to anyone who values their personal safety.
There’s also no legal mechanism for arson.
Right, arson is generally illegal but when we start talking about “crimes” we can also bring up “morality” and “ethics” and it becomes a much more productive discussion.
Excellent.
What are you talking about? Those could’ve been sold and the money used to help poor people.
Now it’s just a waste.
You really think the owners are going to sell their tesla to give to the poor? Elon sure isn’t and only celebrities and those in similar situations where money doesn’t matter would do it. That you make this as a serious argument is wild.
Bait used to be believable.
Yeah, no.
All of you people said the same flawed argument and it’s sad that you thought you had a point.
Really puts things into perspective why things are the way they are.
Flawed argument like saying car sale proceeds would be given to poor people? lmao
I’ve already explained to you people what you don’t understand, several times.
Damn you’re actually crazy af
Lol. Anyone with half a brain can recognize my argument.
You people just succumb to your herd mentality because you’re afraid to do your own thinking.
I don’t expect more, to do so would be foolish.
Yes, no one is smart as you, everyone doesn’t “get it”. You should run for president of the USA, he’s almost as smart as you.
Yeah I’m sure these people really would have willingly sold their Teslas and then gone on to donate that money to poor people.
Who said anything about willingly?
Did they willingly have these teslas burned?
Sad this needs to be spelled out for you.
That’s why people use this sticker
Let’s be honest: We knew that Elon was an asshole and totally batshit insane after the thailand caving incident. That was in 2018. Everybody who bought a Tesla after that didn’t pay attention
Behold! Someone with 20/20 hindsight!
People who bought Teslas years ago are like people who bought Hitler’s paintings during his “starving artist” phase.
He was never really a balanced people but I didn’t understand why people were already disgusted by his behaviours before his latest shows.
Then I discovered he was the classic old style entrepreneur against unions.
Now I came to know he only had male sons (in vitro selected sex), 14 males.
The problem is not him, it’s that system which is completely insane (tbn I’m ok with abortion). The altered genomes of twin baby girls that happened in China is almost ok from an ethical pov if compared, it had a medical target at least.
At what point do the board members and shareholders fire Herr Musk?
Well, one of the board members is his brother and the rest are loyalists so probably not until a shareholder revolt.
Hence the car sales show at the White House, generating some PR to pump up the stock. It worked, for now.
Oh dear ! Must be those batteries spontaneously combusting. I remember when that used to happen to Samsung phones a while back.
