You do know that tickets for those nice spacious old timey flights you’re dreaming of were upwards of thousands of dollars, adjusted for inflation, even for the cheapest seat on a domestic flight.
There was also far fewer planes, far fewer pilots, far fewer airports (infrastructure in general), and far less advanced technology. Prices fell way before they started cramping seats.
And did you also know that those old timey flights included check through baggage, actual food, rules regarding getting passengers to their destinations and a host of other amenities and important regulations that were thrown in the trash because we trusted corporations to NOT create a plane that requires you to stand up for an entire flight (an actual concept that was considered). And you know how when you search for a flight a few times, the price keeps going up? Conspicuously lacking back then along with paying extra for a seat with a window only to be told an actual window isn’t guaranteed. Yeah, there was no Internet, but it’s still true.
You can get pretty much all of things today. You just have to pay the same price you did back then, adjusted for inflation.
In the old days every single seat on airplane was basically business/first class. There was no such thing as economy.
Passengers wanted cheaper tickets, so the clas system was introduced to offer cheap economy seats, and now y’all complaining that the seats specifically invented to be as cheap as possible don’t offer the same amenities as the expensive ones.
Again, you’re completely free in your choice to use economy classe. Business class and upper class ticket prices are in the same price range today (adj. for inflation) as the tickets of old times flights.
You’re literally complaining about an option, that is entirely optional, existing, and not being as good as the more expensive ones.
Yeah, I don’t believe you. I priced flying first class to Germany from Florida and it was $3000 one way. That’s not an option for me. I doubt seriously that air travel was that expensive. I did travel with my parents as a kid and I don’t think we spent an equivalent of $6000 per person for a round trip. That’s not something they would have done.
The airlines continuously take things away and then act like it’s such a great deal if they give one back as a perk. They can go fuck themselves and if you think it’s so great you can do the same.
US Europe Round trips in the 70’s/80’s would you run you between 600 and 1000$. That would be 2300-4000$ adjusted for inflation, and could be as expensive as 1000-1500$ (up to 6000$), so I don’t really care what you think, facts disagree with you.
(Also, round trip tickets are ALWAYS cheaper than two individual one way trips, so you can’t just double to price of a one way ticket to arrive at that of a roundtrip)
You can definitely get business class seats in that price range, and if you spend some time comparing prices, I’m sure you could find first class seats in a similar range. And be real, if you’re spending 3-4 thousand dollars JUST on the plane ticket, an extra couple hundred bucks won’t kill you.
And of course segregating classes is going to make upper classes more expensive. That’s the whole point. Instead of distributing the costs of the service and seats across EVERYONE, only those who actually choose to use them pay for them. They’re more expensive because the passengers who don’t want those amenities are no longer bein forced to subsidize them for those that do.
And for comparison, an economy class round trip would cost less than a 1000$ if you book a few months advance. That’s less than half the price injusted for inflation vs. the 70’s/80’s.
And finally, believe it or not, Economy class is barely, if at all profitable for airlines. They make most of their profit from service upgrades, higher classes, shipping cargo and, in the U.S., credit card rewards programs.
If you want planes to all have even just premium economy levels space, airlines would NEED to increase ticket prices by 20-30% just to stop from selling at a loss.
The value is being transported from point a to b. How anyone with a straight face can argue that low leg toom is an airline providing “zero value” is a fucking mystery to me. Like do you buy plane tickets for the sole purpose of sitting comfortably in a flying tube for shits and giggles, with no regard to destination or origin ?
And also, THEY ALREADY DON’T. The profit margins on the completely basic, zero extras or add ons econeomy seat are ALREADY close to 0 for most airlines. Negative for some.
Right so, really the airlines should calculate the volume of a person and allocate a box of that size. When you get to your box, you have to fold yourself into it. If anything hangs out, maybe cut it off or just smash it in violently. Screw the bathrooms, just hold it or piss on yourself. Air conditioning and heating? Unnecessary. Think of the weight savings if the boxes were packed in like cargo. You wouldn’t need seatbelts. Maybe then those poor airlines that are barely eeking out a profit, might make money. We don’t need any amenities. I mean, did you get there?
Oh and if the airlines aren’t making money then that just proves that deregulation doesn’t work. They were the ones that lobbied for it.
If you flew in the 80’s or 90’s, then you know how significantly de-regulation has affected the value of the product.
Frankly, you’re wrong, but you have a right to be. The problem here isn’t fat people, it’s rich people wanting to extract more money from passengers while offering nothing of value in return.
Our culture hates fat people and thinks being fat is a moral failing. This doesn’t surprise me at all, and it likely hasn’t even crossed most people’s minds to blame billionaire capitalists instead of fat people.
Nothing in this thread is about fatphobia. Literally nothing.
It’s simply about the fact that society can’t bend around every body type in existence. And yes, that sucks unbelievably much for people who ARE untypical bodytypes, and yes it’s enormously unfair but it’s more or less the best for a shit situation.
It’s unreasonable and impossible to expect everything in every circumstance, to be accommodating to every possible body type , at least not without having having a massive number of seats on every transport empty, because they’re reserved for people of unusual bodytypes, who are rare and therefore rarely use them. That would make prices higher for everyone, it would require more planes and busses an trains to be built and moved to accomodate the much lower number of effectively usable seats, which will lead to even higher costs, the networks will grid lock under the increased traffic, and the environment will suffer from all the extra airplanes that are now transporting far fewer pax per flight than before.
No.
Airlines should be regulated so the seats are larger and accommodate larger people.
And if you managed to fly before airlines were deregulated, then you know that this was once the norm and isn’t too much to ask.
You do know that tickets for those nice spacious old timey flights you’re dreaming of were upwards of thousands of dollars, adjusted for inflation, even for the cheapest seat on a domestic flight.
There was also far fewer planes, far fewer pilots, far fewer airports (infrastructure in general), and far less advanced technology. Prices fell way before they started cramping seats.
And did you also know that those old timey flights included check through baggage, actual food, rules regarding getting passengers to their destinations and a host of other amenities and important regulations that were thrown in the trash because we trusted corporations to NOT create a plane that requires you to stand up for an entire flight (an actual concept that was considered). And you know how when you search for a flight a few times, the price keeps going up? Conspicuously lacking back then along with paying extra for a seat with a window only to be told an actual window isn’t guaranteed. Yeah, there was no Internet, but it’s still true.
You can get pretty much all of things today. You just have to pay the same price you did back then, adjusted for inflation.
In the old days every single seat on airplane was basically business/first class. There was no such thing as economy.
Passengers wanted cheaper tickets, so the clas system was introduced to offer cheap economy seats, and now y’all complaining that the seats specifically invented to be as cheap as possible don’t offer the same amenities as the expensive ones.
I’m complaining yes but I never asked for this.
Again, you’re completely free in your choice to use economy classe. Business class and upper class ticket prices are in the same price range today (adj. for inflation) as the tickets of old times flights.
You’re literally complaining about an option, that is entirely optional, existing, and not being as good as the more expensive ones.
Yeah, I don’t believe you. I priced flying first class to Germany from Florida and it was $3000 one way. That’s not an option for me. I doubt seriously that air travel was that expensive. I did travel with my parents as a kid and I don’t think we spent an equivalent of $6000 per person for a round trip. That’s not something they would have done.
The airlines continuously take things away and then act like it’s such a great deal if they give one back as a perk. They can go fuck themselves and if you think it’s so great you can do the same.
US Europe Round trips in the 70’s/80’s would you run you between 600 and 1000$. That would be 2300-4000$ adjusted for inflation, and could be as expensive as 1000-1500$ (up to 6000$), so I don’t really care what you think, facts disagree with you.
(Also, round trip tickets are ALWAYS cheaper than two individual one way trips, so you can’t just double to price of a one way ticket to arrive at that of a roundtrip)
You can definitely get business class seats in that price range, and if you spend some time comparing prices, I’m sure you could find first class seats in a similar range. And be real, if you’re spending 3-4 thousand dollars JUST on the plane ticket, an extra couple hundred bucks won’t kill you.
And of course segregating classes is going to make upper classes more expensive. That’s the whole point. Instead of distributing the costs of the service and seats across EVERYONE, only those who actually choose to use them pay for them. They’re more expensive because the passengers who don’t want those amenities are no longer bein forced to subsidize them for those that do.
And for comparison, an economy class round trip would cost less than a 1000$ if you book a few months advance. That’s less than half the price injusted for inflation vs. the 70’s/80’s.
And finally, believe it or not, Economy class is barely, if at all profitable for airlines. They make most of their profit from service upgrades, higher classes, shipping cargo and, in the U.S., credit card rewards programs.
If you want planes to all have even just premium economy levels space, airlines would NEED to increase ticket prices by 20-30% just to stop from selling at a loss.
Well I guess you’re right. It’s great now!
You’re just reinforcing my point here.
That’s why airlines need to be regulated. It should be illegal to draw a profit while giving zero value.
The value is being transported from point a to b. How anyone with a straight face can argue that low leg toom is an airline providing “zero value” is a fucking mystery to me. Like do you buy plane tickets for the sole purpose of sitting comfortably in a flying tube for shits and giggles, with no regard to destination or origin ?
And also, THEY ALREADY DON’T. The profit margins on the completely basic, zero extras or add ons econeomy seat are ALREADY close to 0 for most airlines. Negative for some.
Right so, really the airlines should calculate the volume of a person and allocate a box of that size. When you get to your box, you have to fold yourself into it. If anything hangs out, maybe cut it off or just smash it in violently. Screw the bathrooms, just hold it or piss on yourself. Air conditioning and heating? Unnecessary. Think of the weight savings if the boxes were packed in like cargo. You wouldn’t need seatbelts. Maybe then those poor airlines that are barely eeking out a profit, might make money. We don’t need any amenities. I mean, did you get there?
Oh and if the airlines aren’t making money then that just proves that deregulation doesn’t work. They were the ones that lobbied for it.
You seem to be mad at someone for some reason.
But I can’t really deduce at whom or why, from your rambling.
If you flew in the 80’s or 90’s, then you know how significantly de-regulation has affected the value of the product.
Frankly, you’re wrong, but you have a right to be. The problem here isn’t fat people, it’s rich people wanting to extract more money from passengers while offering nothing of value in return.
Have a great day.
Lemmy is extremely anticapitalist and still disagrees with you, does that not give you pause?
Not at all.
Our culture hates fat people and thinks being fat is a moral failing. This doesn’t surprise me at all, and it likely hasn’t even crossed most people’s minds to blame billionaire capitalists instead of fat people.
Nothing in this thread is about fatphobia. Literally nothing.
It’s simply about the fact that society can’t bend around every body type in existence. And yes, that sucks unbelievably much for people who ARE untypical bodytypes, and yes it’s enormously unfair but it’s more or less the best for a shit situation.
It’s unreasonable and impossible to expect everything in every circumstance, to be accommodating to every possible body type , at least not without having having a massive number of seats on every transport empty, because they’re reserved for people of unusual bodytypes, who are rare and therefore rarely use them. That would make prices higher for everyone, it would require more planes and busses an trains to be built and moved to accomodate the much lower number of effectively usable seats, which will lead to even higher costs, the networks will grid lock under the increased traffic, and the environment will suffer from all the extra airplanes that are now transporting far fewer pax per flight than before.
You can’t just blame the boogeyman for all your problems