You do know that tickets for those nice spacious old timey flights you’re dreaming of were upwards of thousands of dollars, adjusted for inflation, even for the cheapest seat on a domestic flight.
There was also far fewer planes, far fewer pilots, far fewer airports (infrastructure in general), and far less advanced technology. Prices fell way before they started cramping seats.
And did you also know that those old timey flights included check through baggage, actual food, rules regarding getting passengers to their destinations and a host of other amenities and important regulations that were thrown in the trash because we trusted corporations to NOT create a plane that requires you to stand up for an entire flight (an actual concept that was considered). And you know how when you search for a flight a few times, the price keeps going up? Conspicuously lacking back then along with paying extra for a seat with a window only to be told an actual window isn’t guaranteed. Yeah, there was no Internet, but it’s still true.
You can get pretty much all of things today. You just have to pay the same price you did back then, adjusted for inflation.
In the old days every single seat on airplane was basically business/first class. There was no such thing as economy.
Passengers wanted cheaper tickets, so the clas system was introduced to offer cheap economy seats, and now y’all complaining that the seats specifically invented to be as cheap as possible don’t offer the same amenities as the expensive ones.
Again, you’re completely free in your choice to use economy classe. Business class and upper class ticket prices are in the same price range today (adj. for inflation) as the tickets of old times flights.
You’re literally complaining about an option, that is entirely optional, existing, and not being as good as the more expensive ones.
The value is being transported from point a to b. How anyone with a straight face can argue that low leg toom is an airline providing “zero value” is a fucking mystery to me. Like do you buy plane tickets for the sole purpose of sitting comfortably in a flying tube for shits and giggles, with no regard to destination or origin ?
And also, THEY ALREADY DON’T. The profit margins on the completely basic, zero extras or add ons econeomy seat are ALREADY close to 0 for most airlines. Negative for some.
Right so, really the airlines should calculate the volume of a person and allocate a box of that size. When you get to your box, you have to fold yourself into it. If anything hangs out, maybe cut it off or just smash it in violently. Screw the bathrooms, just hold it or piss on yourself. Air conditioning and heating? Unnecessary. Think of the weight savings if the boxes were packed in like cargo. You wouldn’t need seatbelts. Maybe then those poor airlines that are barely eeking out a profit, might make money. We don’t need any amenities. I mean, did you get there?
Oh and if the airlines aren’t making money then that just proves that deregulation doesn’t work. They were the ones that lobbied for it.
If you flew in the 80’s or 90’s, then you know how significantly de-regulation has affected the value of the product.
Frankly, you’re wrong, but you have a right to be. The problem here isn’t fat people, it’s rich people wanting to extract more money from passengers while offering nothing of value in return.
Our culture hates fat people and thinks being fat is a moral failing. This doesn’t surprise me at all, and it likely hasn’t even crossed most people’s minds to blame billionaire capitalists instead of fat people.
Nothing in this thread is about fatphobia. Literally nothing.
It’s simply about the fact that society can’t bend around every body type in existence. And yes, that sucks unbelievably much for people who ARE untypical bodytypes, and yes it’s enormously unfair but it’s more or less the best for a shit situation.
It’s unreasonable and impossible to expect everything in every circumstance, to be accommodating to every possible body type , at least not without having having a massive number of seats on every transport empty, because they’re reserved for people of unusual bodytypes, who are rare and therefore rarely use them. That would make prices higher for everyone, it would require more planes and busses an trains to be built and moved to accomodate the much lower number of effectively usable seats, which will lead to even higher costs, the networks will grid lock under the increased traffic, and the environment will suffer from all the extra airplanes that are now transporting far fewer pax per flight than before.
You do know that tickets for those nice spacious old timey flights you’re dreaming of were upwards of thousands of dollars, adjusted for inflation, even for the cheapest seat on a domestic flight.
There was also far fewer planes, far fewer pilots, far fewer airports (infrastructure in general), and far less advanced technology. Prices fell way before they started cramping seats.
And did you also know that those old timey flights included check through baggage, actual food, rules regarding getting passengers to their destinations and a host of other amenities and important regulations that were thrown in the trash because we trusted corporations to NOT create a plane that requires you to stand up for an entire flight (an actual concept that was considered). And you know how when you search for a flight a few times, the price keeps going up? Conspicuously lacking back then along with paying extra for a seat with a window only to be told an actual window isn’t guaranteed. Yeah, there was no Internet, but it’s still true.
You can get pretty much all of things today. You just have to pay the same price you did back then, adjusted for inflation.
In the old days every single seat on airplane was basically business/first class. There was no such thing as economy.
Passengers wanted cheaper tickets, so the clas system was introduced to offer cheap economy seats, and now y’all complaining that the seats specifically invented to be as cheap as possible don’t offer the same amenities as the expensive ones.
I’m complaining yes but I never asked for this.
Again, you’re completely free in your choice to use economy classe. Business class and upper class ticket prices are in the same price range today (adj. for inflation) as the tickets of old times flights.
You’re literally complaining about an option, that is entirely optional, existing, and not being as good as the more expensive ones.
You’re just reinforcing my point here.
That’s why airlines need to be regulated. It should be illegal to draw a profit while giving zero value.
The value is being transported from point a to b. How anyone with a straight face can argue that low leg toom is an airline providing “zero value” is a fucking mystery to me. Like do you buy plane tickets for the sole purpose of sitting comfortably in a flying tube for shits and giggles, with no regard to destination or origin ?
And also, THEY ALREADY DON’T. The profit margins on the completely basic, zero extras or add ons econeomy seat are ALREADY close to 0 for most airlines. Negative for some.
Right so, really the airlines should calculate the volume of a person and allocate a box of that size. When you get to your box, you have to fold yourself into it. If anything hangs out, maybe cut it off or just smash it in violently. Screw the bathrooms, just hold it or piss on yourself. Air conditioning and heating? Unnecessary. Think of the weight savings if the boxes were packed in like cargo. You wouldn’t need seatbelts. Maybe then those poor airlines that are barely eeking out a profit, might make money. We don’t need any amenities. I mean, did you get there?
Oh and if the airlines aren’t making money then that just proves that deregulation doesn’t work. They were the ones that lobbied for it.
If you flew in the 80’s or 90’s, then you know how significantly de-regulation has affected the value of the product.
Frankly, you’re wrong, but you have a right to be. The problem here isn’t fat people, it’s rich people wanting to extract more money from passengers while offering nothing of value in return.
Have a great day.
Lemmy is extremely anticapitalist and still disagrees with you, does that not give you pause?
Not at all.
Our culture hates fat people and thinks being fat is a moral failing. This doesn’t surprise me at all, and it likely hasn’t even crossed most people’s minds to blame billionaire capitalists instead of fat people.
Nothing in this thread is about fatphobia. Literally nothing.
It’s simply about the fact that society can’t bend around every body type in existence. And yes, that sucks unbelievably much for people who ARE untypical bodytypes, and yes it’s enormously unfair but it’s more or less the best for a shit situation.
It’s unreasonable and impossible to expect everything in every circumstance, to be accommodating to every possible body type , at least not without having having a massive number of seats on every transport empty, because they’re reserved for people of unusual bodytypes, who are rare and therefore rarely use them. That would make prices higher for everyone, it would require more planes and busses an trains to be built and moved to accomodate the much lower number of effectively usable seats, which will lead to even higher costs, the networks will grid lock under the increased traffic, and the environment will suffer from all the extra airplanes that are now transporting far fewer pax per flight than before.
You can’t just blame the boogeyman for all your problems