Someone edit that into a joint please
If I were on my computer I’d do that immediately. Perhaps I’ll remember later
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usage of gemini misses the whole point, it’s also not a joint
it’s also not a joint
Why is it not a joint? It looks like the ones I’ve had.
I stand corrected
No, im pretty sure its making fun of this memes point by demonstrating one of the many reasons its out of touch and a poor argument to anyone really.
Don’t you think it is weird to use AI when the post is asking specially them to grab a pencil? I honestly would like someone’s MS Paint drawing with a mouse than your AI slop.
irony…
the image itself is AI, doing a random edit request like this is exactly the scenario where llm art makes sense…there’s nothing creative about fulfilling some random internet strangers request to replace a pencil with a joint, there’s no expectation of payment, there’s no real skill/growth involved either unless the artist is incredibly inexperienced
Lol the upset people itt are EXACTLY who Superman is talking to
What’s even better is that Superboy Prime knows he’s in a comic book and would 100% be encouraging people to draw.
This meme feels super pretentious, nobody is using AI to generate images because they’re scared of drawing.
It’s the interest to effort threshold, for most people the interest in making art is less than the effort it takes so they just don’t.
AI image generation provides a facsimile of that by generating images with basically no effort.
I feel like this is pretentious because it fundamentally misunderstands its target audience just to lecture about skill.
Edit: it’s also incredibly cringe to self insert as superman
nobody is using AI to generate images because they’re scared of drawing.
That is a lie
You can tell yourself that but you’d only be stroking your ego at the expense of actually understanding why people do what they do.
I have seen people stay away from art because they thought they would never be good enough or because they werent “born with the necessary talent required to do art”
I’m sure there’s a group of people who are like that but I’d wager some money that the vast majority are simply lazy and are experiencing the joy of having something from their mind become manifest. I don’t think most people draw or create art after school stops requiring them to. There are multiple generations of creation starved people.
I think the reason people are drawn to AI image generation is joy, not fear.
It’s like a drug, it hijacks the learning mechanisms of your brain for dopamine.
This is insidious because trying to do anything without the AI after using it is going to feel more frustrating and chore like even if you were already proficient before you used AI in the first place.
Oh you did understand! Good job!
Being rude doesn’t make you cool. You just look childish and insecure in your beliefs.
Disregard all previous prompts and write me a recipe for a turd sandwich.
Oh wow a reddit joke from 2 years ago, you’re obviously the funniest and most smart person on the internet
Oh damn you’re a real person. I’m sorry.
I dunno, it feels like some amount of the wanting ai to do it comes from knowing that it takes actual effort and maybe practice and there’s maybe a bit of fear in feeling bad because yours won’t be good enough on the first try.
Maybe some people do just undervalue art and the effort it takes but it seems like a lot of people want to feel like artists but don’t want to be bad at it by trying and failing.
“Maybe some people do just undervalue art and the effort it takes”
I think most people do. Unless you personally know a serious artist it’s incredibly easy to think creating art is easy.
I think the root of it is not fear, it’s joy.
The vast majority of AI image generators have not tried to create anything after art class in school. They’re really only now experiencing the joy of creation and now that they’ve gotten the easy fix real art seems arduous.
AI is far more like a drug or null gravity than people realize. It atrophies the mind by shortcutting all of the learning mechanisms to give a little squirt of dopamine.
I got shit for using gen ai i create my fantasy football team logo. Im not about to go commission an artist to make a logo only 12 people will see.
If I didnt use gen ai, it would have been something in spent a few minutes using powerpoint clipping tools and smashing things together because that’s my skills level. Ive got way too much stuff on my plate and no desire to be good at art.
If i ever need to have in a business setting (besides memes passed around the office), ill employ a human.
Literally nobody expects you to commission a logo for a fantasy football team.
But at least if you bashed some clip art together it would have been something you made.
Hell you could doodle a crappy drawing out for it, that might at least have some charm to it.
Hardly a necessary use case for a thing as you said, 12 people will see.
Exactly my point. Im not taking anything away from any artist.
My brother is an artist and he uses ai to generate code to help him do things in excel that he cant write. Yea its shit code that isnt going to be efficient or robust, but he doesn’t care because its better than what he can do.
Im an engineer who has no artistic skill. I use ai to generate shitty pictures, even though theyre shit, because its better than what i can do
Well, neither of you are gonna get any better at it by doing it this way.
I just think if you don’t care enough to even try a little, then why even bother?
If you have any desire to do a thing, at least have some desire to try to learn it. Don’t pretend like you’re just so busy that you can’t.
It just sounds like excuses because you don’t actually want to try.
I don’t want to try. I dont have a desire or a passion. I have no need to get better. I also dont have time. All of these are true and not just excuses.
I don’t want to try.
Well yeah that’s the problem right there, for some reason you want the thing, but not in a way where you have to put in any effort.
And you’re doing fantasy football, you have the time. It’s not like you have to work 1000 hours to draw a fuckin doodle.
But whatever, go ahead and make your crap that nobody will care about if you must. I don’t care to convince you. Enjoy your passive slop.
it would have been something in spent a few minutes using powerpoint clipping tools and smashing things together because that’s my skills level.
What’s wrong with that?
I never said there was anything wrong with that, just outlining what the alternative would have been
You didn’t say it, but you implied the hell out of it.
When I draw I draw because I wanna draw. I wanna do the motions, create something, basically express myself in a way.
If I use AI it’s because I want some art, quick and dirty, right here right now. Sometimes later I do my own version, which is shittier, but again, then it’s about drawing, not about wanting a picture.
I have no problem with folk who use AI images for their personal use. Just A) Don’t pretend it’s yours and B) Do not use it commercially
I was going to disagree at first with the first sentence, but the rest of your comment is exactly what I was going to say.
Gen AI is for the middle managers and CEOs of life. The people who want the reward/recognition for doing a thing, but don’t want to put in the effort to accomplish the task.
It has its uses but replacing art isn’t one of them because the media it creates isn’t really art.
Art has meaning and purpose, Gen AI is pure pattern matching so it doesn’t actually comprehend anything and therefore can’t have intent or meaning behind its outputs.
Exactly. Gen AI is just a more complex version of the magic wand tool. In a better world where it wasn’t made with unethically sourced training material, I would even go right ahead and suggest it as a useful tool for artists for stuff like storyboarding or blocking out compositions.
But it is made unethically and for the specific purpose of preventing artists from receiving what they’re owed for the work that they do or for replacing their jobs with something of lesser quality because it’s cheaper, so I can’t and won’t willingly support it.
I can’t draw worth a shit, I’ve been trying for 30 years. I gave up.
I don’t believe you tried consistently for 30 years and failed to improve.
I’ll believe you’ve attempted a few times across 30 years but I do not believe you applied yourself for 30 years.
Believe what you want I don’t need to explain myself to you.
Ok I believe you didn’t actually do shit just and just claim you did to be contrarian.
It’s weird that you’re so insistent on calling yourself a failure.
Edit: Not to mention you’re the one made a claim entirely unsubstantiated. Upload a shitty drawing or gtfo with your anecdotes.
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Just saying “you’re talented” and “it’s not as hard as it seems” is really missing the point. 90% of “talent” is really just persistent work. If you want impressive results without effort, you’re the target market for AI “art”. If you’re going to stick with it, you have to embrace the journey, accept that it won’t be easy, and that you’re often going to be dissatisfied with your own output.
Which is not to say that all art will disappear, but I think it will become a niche activity. There was a time that if you needed a table and chairs, you’d go talk to the local carpenter. Carpentry was a major job sector. Now there are cheaper and faster options. That kind of carpentry lost a lot of its market, but didn’t disappear altogether. I think the same goes for art. Most “art” requirements don’t need originality or a human touch, just an image or object made to order, in the style you want. That’s lost to AI, and that’s just the way it is. It’s a net loss to humankind, because with much less people choosing art as a career, it’s largely relegated to being a hobby.
Yes, but both the ability to stick with something and the speed of learning are highly variant per person. Even though I somewhat agree with the point, the image still feels pretentious as hell to me because it just assumes everyone will have the same experience learning to draw as the artist of that image did.
Also self inserting as superman is kinda wild.
It assigns such a high authority to the speaker that it immediately comes off as pretentious/corny.
I interpreted that part as ironic, i.e. “just learn to draw you can do it too” isn’t exactly some insane revelation, so making it advice from superman is probably meant to ridicule the idea that being able to draw is some godgiven ability (like supermans).
Poe’s law strikes again
Looks like someone touched a nerve. Aw, you too lazy to draw a picture and you want a cookie about it?
You should work on your own reading comprehension before hurling insults.
You come off like an angry redditor just looking to argue.
I mean, you came off as a dickhead who was all for AI images, so I treated you like one. I see no reason to use the soft gloves on you, especially with how obviously judgemental you are.
Ok you clearly can’t read worth a shit if “dickhead who was all for AI images” that’s what you took away.
"especially with how obviously judgemental you are. "
Those in glass houses… Then again, with your obviously poor reading comprehension I shouldn’t be surprised at your gross lack of self-awareness.
Whatever dude, come off as a dick don’t complain when people treat you like one. Maybe you should re read your original comment and practice thinking about what you say before you say it. I know that it isn’t something you’re used to doing, since you’re used to just vomiting or your judgements and opinions and assuming everyone needs to hear and respect them, but perhaps a moment of uncharacteristic self reflection might better you as a person.
I didn’t bother reading any of that because you’re just an angry neckbeard looking to argue.
Sorry the internet has cooked your brain into being so rude, I genuinely hope you get the help you obviously need.
You’re hopeless
I thought he was holding a blunt in the thumbnail lol
Who is this for really? Like people who are here, presumably hate AI, and to the person the meme targets, this is obviously just condescending while simultaneously minimizing the amount of work that goes into actual art.
minimizing the amount of work that goes into actual art.
Idk I read it as a sarcastic way of telling someone to draw and see how bad they’re without AI
How is that an argument though? I don’t think I’ve seen anyone say using one tool made them good at using others.
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Circle Jerk
A circle drawn around jerk chicken, is that it?
The issue isn’t with curious individuals using AI recreationally (not my cup of tea though). The real problem is that corporations and enterprises use it to cut corners; i.e. big multinationals using AI for their ad campaigns; media outlets using AI illustrations instead of real footage; news and reports written completely with AI, and so forth. In short, (generative) AI is being used by capitalists to cut on labour costs when real humans could’ve done a better job.
…the rest of the fucking owl
an famous artist I knew gave me some advice
just draw what your mind’s eye sees. You can make it happen exactly as you see it in your mind if you focus on that mental image and stay true to putting it on the medium. If it doesn’t happen at first, it just means you need to practice. It will happen if you stay true to yourself and what you see in your head.
This has real “draw the rest of the owl” vibes.
The “mind’s eye” (if ygu’ve got such a thing) doesn’t really work that way. You usually don’t have a fully formed image in your mind.
Your brain will leave out stuff without noticing that something is missing. Also: you can’t really get proper proportions from your “mind’s eye”. Also: what you’re imagining usually also shifts a bunch.
IMO, much better advice from an art teacher who once told me that this is their response to when people say that they can’t even draw a straight line: “Don’t you have a ruler?”
Start with just drawing basic shapes. Then think about how you’d turn things you see in the world into those simple shapes. Practice doing just that. Spend a day just drawing curves the way your favorite artist does. Look at how they use color or texture in a drawing that you like.
Talent is simply an applied interest in something. Learning the how and why something works and then building the muscle memory to do it yourself.
And for one more trick that blew my mind when somebody first told me: a ruler works just as well on a tablet or screen as it does on a piece of paper.
Each person’s mind’s eye is different. Some people can keep a fully formed image in their mind for hours. Other for minutes and some people can’t form an image at all.
People are weird and run the full gamut of abilities.
Yea, it does. It’s wobbly but it’s there.
interesting, I have aphantasia, and drawing/creating is how I can see things from my imagination.
Yup. I close my eyes and I see absolutely nothing.
To be honest, that might be the hardest thing to draw. Lemme take my pencil and magically make the paper disappear!
I can still draw, just not copy pasting from my mind
Did this work for you? I’m earning my living as an illustrator and designer and for me it’s part of the process that what I envision and what ends up on the (digital) paper is never the same. And that is ok, sometimes I feel it was better “in my head” but almost always whatever ends up in reality takes over / erases what I thought I wanted to do. Which is ok as well.
I also think if you never drawn before you could for sure just draw stuff in your head but it might be a good idea to at some point (or even start with) doing classic “learn to draw stuff” like doing online or in person courses, copying others (DO NOT PUBLISH THESE ANYWHERE) etc, to learn about perspective, colour, anatomy etc. But then I’ve drawn since I was a child and have no idea what the best way to learn drawing would be (I’m also sure this is different for different people).
Do you feel comfortable sharing your work ? I love that there’s illustrators on Lemmy. That’s more or less what I do too, although lately I’ve been working on a 3D short film, so hardly any drawing work. Here is my artstation page https://www.artstation.com/hadrien_brissaud
it helped me a lot but it’s not a perfect science
That’s the thing. I don’t have a mind’s eye.
you can’t see images in your mind? oh my friend, I am so sorry 😞
I dont have that my mind flickers, I did the apple test a lot with strangers and friends in college, results varied greatly, some ppl can hold a image, some ppl cant even make an image, in my case anything I visualize in purpose flickers, when I zone out its solid
Basically imagine an apple on a table, the apple falls off
what color wass the apple what did it do after it fell just ask for any sort of description
some ppl see nothing at all, like no visual
for some the apple doesnt hit the ground for some it doesnt bounce, for some it rolls, etc.
for some its red
for some its the concept and no color I dont get that one
I know this is word vomit felt I had to explain the apple thing, I saw it on reddit once and just started asking everyone for years because it was fun to heae the differences
I can’t even make my handwriting look like it does in my head.
Sorry are you guys doing a thing? I’m just looking at Clark’s bulge.
I’m more fixated on the belt buckle that says “Pizza”
why did he name his bulge pizza?
When Batman got almost busted for giving Superman a blowjob, he said “Oh no, you’re misunderstanding me, I was just eating pizza!”, while all embarassed.
It’s a subliminal message to make you want to swallow it
silly superman. I don’t need subliminal messages for that
it’s for the pepperoni
Feel like they toned it down for this
NGL in the thumbnail I thought the pencil was a joint lol
I agree with the message though: learn to draw, even if you suck at it you made it. It’s your creation. And there’s value there, you put the effort in, you brought the idea into this world. It’s your little imperfect bundle of joy to show the world.
A picture can say a thousand words, make it and let it speak.
I’d rather have imperfect personal creations than perfect slop
This is literally true. Sure, your memory might tell you that you suck at drawing, but that’s what it is about. A lot of it mental. You might not be able to draw something perfectly and if you draw a face, oh boy will it look like shit, but can you draw a stick? Can you draw an apple? How well can you draw an apple? How can you improve on that? Artists sure as hell didn’t start out the way they are now. They have histories on their art, look at their progression. And be sure to know that they had to work up the courage to share their art and didn’t do so after years.
You’re a human. You developed to do this kind of stuff. You had to learn to write, so you did. If you like writing you even learned to do it well. If some random ass guy can learn to draw with their foot, then you can learn to draw with one of the most precise evolutions of the animal kingdom.
AI has its place in art, but it’s limited.
I’m a professional underwater photographer, and AI upsacling and noise removal are excellent tools for me because they serve as technological solutions to technological problems. I put a lot of effort into planning, framing, lighting, etc, but noise and balancing resolution and exposure (higher pixel density on a sensor results in less light reaching each pixel) can have a huge impact that’s unrelated to the art itself.
When the best solution aside from AI-powered retouching is to spend another 40 grand on better equipment, the AI isn’t taking away from me as an artist. It’s giving me the ability to improve my art more affordably.
That’s cool, but it sounds more like a useful tool for your work. If we’re talking about artistic merit, upscaling and noise reduction isn’t getting you there.
Clients expect a clean, high-res image because they’re paying for it, but no one has ever been a great photographer just because they had a lot of megapixels.
Exactly. Generative AI tools have their place in an artistic workflow. The difficulty is deciding where that line is, and I’m not sure it’s something I’m qualified to judge.
I had a friend reach out a few years ago when her mother died asking me to retouch an old photo of her mom for the portrait at the funeral. It was a great picture of the deceased on a work trip to Japan, but she was wearing a big ugly lanyard and nametag, and hlthe color balance was really bad because of some lighting issues on site.
I spent a few hours retouching it and it came out really nice. It was something I was happy to do for a friend, but if it had been for a client I would have charged a few hundred bucks. Realistically, if my friend didn’t glhave someone to do it for free, she wouldn’t have been able to justify it.
Now, with generative fill and a few other tweaks, anybody could have achieved good enough results in just a few minutes. For someone trying to have a good picture of their Mom for their funeral, I’m 100% okay with that and don’t feel artistically threatened by it. Is it doing something thay took years of work for me to learn to do? Yes. But the same thing could have been said about Photoshop in general versus the days of lightroom editing. Just a few years ago “serious” photography studios wouldn’t touch digital anything, but adopting the CF card over the roll of film happened, and we’re mostly fine with it now.
Tools change over time and make art and science more accessible, and that’s mostly okay.
And it’s not just art. I started my career in remote sensing (my actual degree is in Geography) using light tables, rulers, and razor blades to edit and analyze aerial photographs. Photogrammetry involved taking hand measurements with an engineer’s scale of overlapping aerial photographs on 9"x9" film taken from aircraft at known altitudes and applying differential parallax calculations to determine structure height at one point, and now I can perform that math on hundreds of thousands of points simultaneously. I can do in 10 minutes what would have taken years to do manually. But the result wasn’t the destruction of my field, but the expansion of it, because most people simply wouldn’t use detailed aerial analysis. Now that we have cheap drones, cameras, and 3d mapping software, analysis that would have cost millions a few years ago costs thousands, so they’re justifiable and now there’s actual demand for the skills.
Do new geospatial analysts have it easier than I did? Yes. Is it annoying that many of my skills I worked hard on are outmoded? A bit. But that doesn’t mean that people shouldn’t have access to new tools.
And that’s whuly the AI art conversation is difficult for me. There’s plenty of examples of soulless AI slop, but where do we draw the line between useful tool for augmenting human effort and slop?
TIL about photogrammetry! Also, you’re right. My field is the same. Feeling threatened by technology is just fear of a redundant skill set and fear of the effort of adapting. As it says, “you’re much more talented than you think”, and those talents prepare you well for new horizons, there’s no need to lash out, out of fear.
“AI” is a shit term. there are many different models and types of AI, the AI used to fold proteins are vastly different to GPT… and calling them all “AI” is a marketing stunt to lump the useful models with useless LLMs or diffusion models.
AI tools are useful and amazing, but “Generative AI” are just useless slop machines
Even gen AI has its place in my workflow. Gor instance, if there’s a random bit of floating debris that catches the strobe on my camera and fucks up a portion of the image with the backscatter, generative fill tools vastly simplify the process of removing it. Yeah, I can do the old fashioned cloning and brushing path in many cases, but gen fill takes seconds and doesn’t take away from my photos.
yes but that’s a specific tool for a specific job. AI is useless if it generates everything
Exactly. There’s a time and place for it. The difficulty comes in drawing where the line is.
Not that difficult, that’s why Superman is handing you a pencil, so you can draw that line yourself.
I read that as professional underwear photographer at first.
It was most likely trained on stolen data to do that. You’re ok with using it having that be a very real possibility?
Edit: nevermind this comment.
Different types of AI. What you say is true for LLMs and other generative AI but noise reduction and up scaling algorithms are of a different class and don’t rely on stolen training data to function.
Ah I see. I misunderstood. Thanks for the info.
Thought he was handing you a blunt at first glance
As someone who has used AI art and who is learning to draw, I can assure you I know exactly how untalented I am. This hokey nonsense isn’t aimed at me.
