I always see it coming back “evil is required for free choice”.

Doesn’t make any sense to me. Does gravity limit my free choice because i can’t just fly into the sky? Or does death limit my free choice because i might just want to continue to exist on this plane? Does my body limit my free choice because i might just want to be non corporeal (but not divine at the same time), not bound by hunger, disease, …

All of the above are not an issue for “free choice”, but allowing me to “choose for evil” somehow is?

If a world where crime and pain and disease and … doesn’t exist. I don’t see how there would be no free choice in that world. We would be bound by the restrictions of that world, just as we are currently bound by the restrictions of the current world.

It imo just sounds like a really lame excuse for the problem of evil. It does seem to work for those who believe in a god apparently, but i find that hard to understand. Our choices are incredibly limited, and we still regard it as “free will”. But that one choice, o boy, that one choice that if god could prevent us from making it, and thus would disprove him being good if that was an option. That one specific choice, yeah, that’s obviously not possible. He’s all powerful, but that’s just how it is you know?

I really don’t get how this is supposed to make any sense. Any god worth being called a god could have made a world without suffering, while still allowing for free choice. Choice is always limited, and evil & suffering aren’t special in any way. Take them away and i can still choose to enjoy a billion different things, while not having to suffer at all.

This topic was about the larger power market, so big industrial things. But even for people putting solar panels at home. Make it more expensive than getting regular power and see how that progresses… There are of course always some fanatics who will want it for the cause, but most people do it because it’s also economically advantageous for them.

I’ve been trying to find how much % of (renewable) power generated these days is from home solar installations, but it seems hard to find…

But try to follow the topic a bit, we were talking about the big players on the grid, not small home solar installations that don’t take part in the system discussed here.

I love how the title is basically also the problem.

Who the fuck has some obscure library that is the basis of many other tools as their “favourite project”, even though it might be a fundamental part of many other things that are actually the favourites of people.

My premise of how things currently work, so what the current incentives are for more renewable energy is completely flawed?

Sure, make renewable energy not profitable and see what happens…

I get what you WANT the world to be like, but it ISN’T like that right now, and it’s good to have aspirations on how it should be. But can we just accept what it is, and what implications that has for how things work?

If you can get your dream up & running overnight, go for it. Until then making sure green energy is profitable is the way forward for it, whether we like it or not.

It may not be the answer, but it is the current reality. If we want more renewable power right now, it needs to be profitable.

You can wish it’s different, we all do. But reality is what it is, so that’s why you should care :).

Because that’s what makes companies invest in renewables. If it’s not profitable, no new investments, and our world goes to shit (even more).

That’s also a pretty naive take on it.

First of all, you can indeed shut of the renewables easily. But that means that adding renewables to the grid is even less profitable, making renewables less desired to be built.

Hence in for example Germany a law was passed that prevented renewables being shut down in favor of worse energy sources, but that then leads to the issue we mention here.

It’s a tricky situation with renewables. But on the other hand, society is slowly adapting to using them & improving the infrastructure to handle such issues, so we’ll get there eventually :).