piccolo [any]

  • 2 Posts
  • 23 Comments
Joined 2 years ago
cake
Cake day: November 30th, 2023

help-circle

  • The material conditions of the world would have to be so different from what they currently are in order for this to happen, so it’s hard to speculate. Tensions currently are slightly increasing between ROK and US (it seems) but the ROK bourgeoisie would certainly not willingly give up their class position, and I’m sure that the US would go to bat for them if push came to shove. So I don’t think it would be able to happen until the US’s influence at the world stage diminishes sharply. Currently it seems to be on the decline but obviously still very relevant.

    My prediction of how it would ultimately happen would be that the proles in ROK would gain more class consciousness as a result of labour struggles, and the labour movement would get powerful enough to threaten revolution, in which case a post-recolution society could consider/discuss reunification.

    I think the current free travel status is very much dependent on the US’s role in geopolitics, so if that sharply declining is a precondition for reunification, I think that it would be a much different situation than it is now.


















  • I get my info from a bunch of places, here are some of them:

    • Simon Willison’s blog. He writes about LLMs in an interesting way, and has been consistently talking about security and best practices, which is refreshing when no one else talks about that. He seems a bit biased towards western models, but he still provides good coverage of a lot of model releases.
    • /r/LocalLlama - one of the best places on reddit for people talking about LLMs, particularly open ones that they can theoretically run on their own computer. However, most people there still use hosted LLMs via e.g. OpenRouter, which makes sense because not many people have the kinds of GPUs needed to run the largest of these models.
    • Gwern, AI Alignment Forum, and LessWrong. All of these have the rationalist bug and generally bad politics but they can be interesting to read. A lot of abstract philosophy about AI in general, plus crazy stuff like Roko’s basilisk (don’t look it up if you don’t already know about it, it’s a cognitohazard). Papers on AI safety are often linked here.
    • arXiv for technical papers, and once you find one interesting one it’s easy to go down the citations rabbit hole to find 300 more.

    Also, do you see anything in the horizon regarding people trying other ways to conceptualize “AI”? I mean, nowadays, for all intents and purposes, AI equals LLM.

    Good question. I think that LLMs are definitely the dominant metagame currently. I think they will still get better, and I tend to agree that I don’t think this will lead to AGI, but I also have no idea what will. I think Anthropic’s research in understanding how the LLM “brain” works is very compelling and might lead to new developments, but I don’t know what they are. Here’s an essay talking about what might be the next improvement to LLMs: LLM Daydreaming · Gwern.net. I think this is very interesting and Gwern is good at predicting this kind of thing I think. But it also requires companies to be invested in a longer horizon of profit, which they’re notoriously pretty bad at doing.

    I also came across this article: Xi Jinping warns against China’s overinvestment in EVs and AI, which seems potentially relevant. It’s interesting that the US is saying nothing of the sort.

    I mean, what if Chinese researchers (because let’s face it, a great novel breakthrough would most likely come from there) find out that there’s another way to do AI that has nothing to do with LLMs and does not require GPUs? Just spitballing here, but if that were the case, then how would the US government and AI companies pivot, now that they’re so heavily invested into this?

    Yeah, I really don’t know. I mean I think that GPUs are likely in any future AI breakthrough because massively parallelizing computation is what they’re good at, and they’ve been a staple of every kind of ML breakthrough in the last long while. Of course, massive parallelization doesn’t equal AI, but it’s hard for me to imagine an AI breakthrough that doesn’t use massive parallelization.

    I feel like the gargantuan sunk cost of billions upon billions invested in one particular technology is at least partially driving this monotonic search for ways to make LLMs better and better, rather than branching off in some novel direction. We’re at a point where NVIDIA stock prices are so central we’re not even going to pretend to do something different.

    Yes, I agree for sure. I saw a hexbear the other day (sorry, can’t remember who) saying that they didn’t think it was a coincidence that the market shifted to LLMs right after the crypto bubble popped. There’s a lot of GPU capacity that was freed up by that, which conveniently feeds perfectly into LLMs! And Nvidia is ridiculously overvalued as a company for sure. That being said, I think that even if LLMs are a bubble, it will be one more like the internet than like crypto - still overvalued but based on a fundamentally compelling technology, and it’ll stick around even after the bubble pops.

    First, if I need to find something specific online, I’ll sometimes go to ChatGPT and use its online search function to see if it ends up pointing me towards useful references, something that Google can no longer do most of the time. I don’t do this often at all, and it’s kinda helpful in that regard, but not very much. I’ll also use it sometimes for grammaticality checks since I’m not a native English speaker, but I take the answers with a grain of salt… what if it’s trying to suck up to me by saying my sentences are “not only beautifully crafted — they’re very deep and meaningful”?

    Second, and this is what I do with AI 95% of the time, is I use Deepseek to study Chinese, confirming everything it tells me with my native tutor, of course, which is why I’ll gladly accept cheaper, more efficient Chinese models.

    Edit: another thing I find LLMs to be useful for is to search for collocations. This is entirely unsurprising as a useful feature, since collocations are by definition a function of natural frequent association, and the entire concept of LLMs revolves around word associations.

    Firstly, your English is very good. I never would have guessed you weren’t a native speaker.

    Secondly, these all seem like good use cases of LLMs. In my experience, Claude and Gemini both have decent search tools, with Gemini’s especially good for academic research. I’m curious to see open source models get better at search, but also that might just be a function of access to search infrastructure, which obviously costs money. I also haven’t fairly assessed this yet I think.

    Thirdly, using it for language-related tasks is probably its most compelling use case for most people. They’re getting really good at writing and editing. ChatGPT really likes to use very obviously AI language, but you can get DeepSeek/GLM/Claude to generate much less AI-sounding content.


  • Well, I think that’s part of it. I think that companies are probably trying to do that, but I think most software jobs won’t be replaced by Claude for a long while. I don’t know what people who work for OpenAI/Anthropic/Google think about this - maybe they think it’s coming, maybe not. IME, they’re good at writing code when instructed by a skilled engineer, but on their own, not very good. And the code they write is not always very maintainable. As someone who is currently unemployed but normally works in software, I’ve been using LLMs for brainstorming software design decisions for personal projects, and I find that they are good at “talking through” these kinds of things but less good at actually implementing them in a way that makes sense.

    Some more reasons why LLMs are getting better at programming tasks:

    1. There’s a ton of training data. This is separately frustrating to me because all of the open source code that people wrote for the greater good or whatever is now just getting hoover’d up into these closed source models (tbh I care less when Qwen or DeepSeek does this because they release the weights). In open source, there’s a license called the GPL that says that any derivative work has to be open sourced and released under the same terms of the GPL, and I think this is a Really Good way to make copyright law work for the public interest. Of course, the Silicon Valley mindset of move fast and break things (especially the law, until you’re big enough that the law doesn’t matter anymore - see Uber, Airbnb, etc) doesn’t give a fuck about this, and now LLMs are already too entrenched for anything to happen about this.

    2. A lot of the time, there is a concrete right or wrong in programming. It’s a lot harder to evaluate how well your model works as a creative writer, but for code you can run the code and see if it does the thing you wanted it to. (Obviously there are other factors like code style and stuff but at least you have the baseline. It’s also easier for an LLM to grade whether output code is good style than it is to assess if a story is good.) Most LLMs nowadays are trained significantly on “synthetic data” which means data generated by other LLMs, and doing this at scale means you don’t have a human in the loop reading over the training data and grading essays or anything. It’s computers all the way down.

    3. Reasoning is important, and programming is a very concrete task to train chain-of-thought style responses, e.g. DeepSeek. That’s also why they are trained on a lot of math, e.g. AIME benchmarks.

    4. I think that GPT3 got a lot of gains from training on programming, in a way that generalized to other tasks. Somehow having all of that structured data in its training data made it better at tasks across the board, and that was one of the breakthroughs that led to the original ChatGPT. I think that the companies think that because it’s easy to train on code, and it seems that training on code makes it better at other things too, it’s the easiest path to more intelligent LLMs.

    5. Programmers are early adopters of technology and potentially willing to pay large sums of money. Claude Code costs $200/month, which is crazy. And people buy it. Because when you make $200k/year, if a tool helps you do your job 30% better, it’s worth that kind of money. I think that this is a unique phenomenon - other high paying jobs like lawyer or doctor wouldn’t adopt this kind of technology as urgently. Hopefully most people in these classes realize that LLMs hallucinate too much to be useful in the general case. They can be good at reading papers or documents and summarizing them, but that is a task that is done much easier than programming, so even if they were widely used for that narrow purpose it wouldn’t justify a $200/month subscription. Like if ChatGPT can do it for free, or you buy their $20 tier and it can do that fine, who would pay $200?