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  • dogsoahC@lemm.eetoLate Stage Capitalism@lemmygrad.mlissue with AI
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    19 days ago

    I decided to draw the “arbitrary” line at the clear implication of the person who wrote the text in the image that they want to do writing and art. If someone actually wants to do laundry and dishes, sure. But please, show me a noteworthy number of people who like doing those things as much as an artist likes to do art. People don’t usually do their dishes for the fun of it, but because it needs to be done to maintain hygiene and stuff. That’s the tangible utility I meant. Of course a baker can be creative, or even just like baking. If someone wants to bake bread, let them go nuts. But we still should socialise bread baking because we also need tons and tons of bread to feed people who do something else. We don’t need writing and art, not in the same fundamental way at least. We don’t need huge, industrial-scale quantities of art and writing. Sure we need an industrial scale of books in some circumstances, but the original writing can still be done by a human. Of course, if you want to read AI novels and watch AI movies, listening to AI music, nobody’s stopping you.

    How is saying that art is not something that should be AI-generated arguing for a labor aristocracy?

    The simple fact a woman is person complaining about having to do chores does not make for “inherent patriarchy”. I’m a guy. I do my own laundry and dishes. I’d rather I’d not have to do that and focus on something else. Is that inherent matriarchy now? And even if the patriarchy in this situation isn’t just a figment of your imagination, why is the woman saying that she would prefer not having to do the chores a bad thing?

    I don’t know what I would need an excuse for.


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    Dishes and laundry aren’t the same as art. One is manual labor that just has to be done and has tangible utility. The other is creative work that has value to a large part because a human made it. Something that people want to do. Expressing themselves creatively and making something for others to enjoy in one form or another, or to express criticism of some or other aspect of our world (depending on what art it is). That’s not something a machine can do in a meaningful way. Using AI and other technology to crank out meaningless slop to keep the masses occupied, that’s bourgeois if anything here is. The point of communism is to liberate us all from menial labor and exploitation, from war and strife so we can follow our passions and be truly free, whether that’s being an artist, doing science, or whatever. We can disagree if that’s exactly the point, or maybe I’m tinged by idealism to some degree. I probably am, growing up in a bourgeois society leaves its marks. But if your idea of progress is that we’re just sitting there, watching and reading what the machines tell us is worthy art, then you are the reactionary.

    Where’s the “inherent patriarchy” in the image? Did you just run out of arguments?


  • … yes. The issue is capitalism rather than the technology. I think that’s very much the implication of that sentence. More specifically, the thing “stopping one from writing or making art” is, you know, capitalism. She’s not saying “AI bad”, she’s saying “way we use AI bad”. What’s reactionary about this?

    Where is the implication that “one should be paid a living for [writing or making art]”? Doing (your own) dishes and laundry is not something you typically get paid to do, so suggesting to swap it with writing or making art doesn’t really scream “pay me for writing or making art” to me.

    Finally, why shouldn’t writers or or makers of art be paid a living for writing or making art?






  • Oh, just fuck right off. If you don’t want children, just don’t have children and shut up about it instead of making yourself feel superior by making it a moral thing. And if you’re actually just concerned about them ending up in the meat grinder of exploitation, get organized to rid the world of the capitalists and save all the children from that fate. Stop whining about how terrible the world is and start making it better.