curmudgeonthefrog [he/him]

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  • Hey there, glad to hear it went well! A few other things that I’ve found helpful in one on one organizing conversations. (for full disclosure i was a staff internal organizer for a big local for a number of years, so external organizing is a little different, with that said)

    1. Practice! I know some folks mentioned IWW OT 101’s, these sound good. Honestly just find someone with some union experience to practice conversations with. It will help drastically.

    2. Try to avoid “third-partying” your union. It makes forming a union sound like hiring a law firm or something. Forming a union is largely going to be about you and your coworkers. If you third party “the” union out of the gate, people will take less agency over it. And worse, when management finds out about the campaign, one of their big talking points is that the union comes in between workers and the company. So for convos instead of saying things like “You can help us out by joining!” or “We have been able to solve a lot of problems for workers!”. Instead, say things like: “Together, workers like you and I can win these rights through our union.”

    3. Don’t shy away from the membership dues conversation. Dues are awesome, they aren’t a caveat. They’re a critical part of building the power of your union. The way to frame dues is to acknowledge that nobody working here is wealthy, and having a strong union means you and I will need money to organize, money to support ourselves if we went on strike, money for legal support. And since what you and I are building is entirely independent from the company, we wont get any money from them (obviously). Dues are the resources we pool so we can represent ourselves, bargain and enforce contracts our way, and win more rights. Each union you talk to will have different amounts and different percentages that go to different things but typically its 50% goes to the strike fund, 25% goes to the local you form at your workplace, and 25% goes to the international (which actually goes to staff supporting new campaigns like yours because dues dont exist until you and your coworkers sign the first contract).

    4. In a good organizing conversation, the organizer talks 20% of the time and listens 80% of the time. You should spend a lot of your time listening to your coworkers. You can do this by asking open ended questions like:

    “What is something you don’t like about your job that you would like to change? What is something you like about your job that you would like to protect?”

    “What do you think it is going to take to get the company to budge on the issues that matter most to you?”

    “What do you think about workers like you and I bargaining collectively and being able to achieve the gains that we’ve talked about through unionization?”

    1. Virtually every question can be answered with a variation of one of three “magic” answers:

    Magic Answer 1: We are the union. We know our own needs best, and we all share the responsibility for winning better conditions. We elect our own leaders from within our membership, and those representatives sit across from the company to represent our interests in collective bargaining. Magic answer 1 addresses any question related to “the union” doing something the person does or doesn’t like. It can be answered with some version of “you (and workers just like you) are the union (you will draft bargaining demands, ratify bargaining demands, meet with management to bargain the contract, ratify the proposed contract, etc…) would you do something like that/ do you believe that would be in your collective interest?” This is why it’s important to avoid third-partying because it undermines this answer

    Magic Answer 2: Union=power in numbers=more rights. The union works because of power in numbers. The more of us participate, the more power we have, and the more rights we can win. Supermajority participation is critical, because it shows the company that we all stand together. You and I will elect leaders to sit at the table, and we have to stand united with them to increase pressure on the boss. Magic answer 2 can answer any question related to what “the union” can or cannot do. All questions relating to whether the union could really do “xyz” can be answered with “having a union means having more rights and power…would you like to have more (or less) rights and power?”

    Magic Answer 3: We’re part of a massive, historic labor movement. This is an incredibly exciting time for the labor movement. (Point out all the new unions forming and any recent organizing wins from other unions in your sector) We are wresting control from our bosses nationwide, across many industries. Magic answer 3 is especially useful for helping overcome fears about retaliation about signing up as a member or other ways of supporting the union. I.e, we aren’t alone

    Oh also, when I was first learning, this was one of my favorite videos about organizing conversations. It’s a super campy steelworkers video from the 80’s that shows a house call: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJsQD6wmV0c



  • That’s cool! Didn’t know PSL was starting labor organizing campaigns. I put an effort post I saw on hexbear a couple years ago below so hopefully whoever you talk to shares similar materials/ideas.

    Steps for initial union organizing:

    1.Get a list of everyone at your site

    2.Make a spreadsheet with your estimate on how pro-union they all are (5-point scale: would help organize, would vote yes on union card, neutral, anti-union but could be convinced, would rat you out to the boss so avoid talking union to this person)

    3.Start talking to people about unions, carefully, and add them to the spreadsheet

    4.If you find someone who’s super pro-union (5), give them access to the spreadsheet too

    5.Keep going until everyone is in the sheet

    6.If your sheet says you don’t have a majority, identify fence-sitters and the workers they respect, and work on recruiting the workers they respect

    7.When you’re getting close to a majority, contact another union in your area and ask for advice and a lawyer recommendation

    8.Make sure you’ve talked to another local union and a labor lawyer

    9.Get the union card in front of everyone at once, as fast as you can

    Special note: 51% isn’t going to be good enough for your majority. Unless you feel you need to take the risk (for some reason) of 1~2% flipping at the last minute and losing the vote, its probably a good idea to wait until you’ve got a solid (like rock solid) 60~75% pro union.

    Chapo podcast on making the list: https://soundcloud.com/chapo-trap-house/288-so-you-want-to-start-a-union-feat-brace-belden-21019

    No Shortcuts, the book. It’s long and detailed case studies: https://janemcalevey.com/no-shortcuts/

    No Shortcuts, the interview. It’s honestly better than the book. Very good additional details, especially about step 6 above. I recommend this one the most: https://www.currentaffairs.org/2019/04/jane-mcalevey-on-how-to-organize-for-power/