It can’t be a solution, because it assumes that just because you have an internationally recognized state, then you won’t be attacked and bombed by Israel.

See: Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, Jordan

And in turn you’ve expressed in a very thought provoking and analytical way the things my own reptile brain and tenuous grasp of English have made me feel uncertain to say myself. Great write-up, friend.

One of the obvious things that these generative models exhibit is a clear and distinct lack of intention. I believe that this lack of “human intention” is explicitly what drives people’s repulsion from the end product of generative art. It also becomes “a sort of torture” under which the artist becomes employed by the machine. There are endless sources of artists whose roles as creators have been reduced to that of Generative Blemish Control Agents, cleaning up the odd, strange, and unintentioned aspects of the AI process.

This is a fascinating way of looking at it, and one that I often struggled to put into words before. “Intentionality” is something you don’t consciously associate with a piece of art, but when you think about it, human artists are in full control, and every detail and decision that is made in their art was made at their discretion.

Indeed, the very knowledge that something was generated by a machine immediately also informs you that what you’re looking at was deemed good enough by the human patron of the machine, and not a deliberate, intentional production where every stroke and detail was placed there with purpose and artistic vision. It is a very comparable situation to when someone presents you with a piece of art, and they tell you that they created it themselves, versus when they present a piece of art that they commissioned someone else to create for them. In both cases, the final product fits their specifications and expresses precisely what they wish it to, but in one case, there is no doubt that each and every facet is made in service to that intention, rather than the best interpretation that a third party could come up with to match it as best as it could.

Art can have merit regardless of who makes it, machine, artist, or commissioned work at the behest of a patron. I do not think anyone can really disagree with this. But the difference lies in how we perceive the sincerity of something that comes entirely from the mind and work of human artists with a message, rather than from a machine that is fed instructions, or even an artist who is handed their specifications by someone else.

I think anyone can see even here on lemmy, that A.I agitprop is very frequently met with disdain from some, despite most agreeing with the message and the cause, and I think this is a large part of why.

You’re choosing to misinterpret what I said entirely, I did not say that every human made meme is high effort.

But for a human artist to make an equivalent piece of artwork to what you’ve produced with A.I here, that takes a lot more time and effort, which by itself makes it funnier due to the absurd and amusing meta narrative of someone painstakingly recreating Samuel L Jackson’s image by hand just for a joke.

And I can tell you with certainty that when people make memes that obviously have more effort put into them, it does go noticed and it does add to the humor. Humor is subjective, sure, but there is a reason why “High quality Shitpost” as a term exists. Don’t act like this is only something new being used to stigmatize A.I.

I know I can’t convince you, but I do hope you at least ponder over the idea.

I guess the best way to explain would be the concept and distinction between a regular “shitpost” and a “High quality shitpost”. It is not solely about the final product, what adds to the charm of a human being creating a highly convincing, detailed artistic rendition of Samuel L Jackson as Vladimir Lenin, is the very knowledge that someone was willing to sit there and devote hours, perhaps days, and even money, art supplies and energy to painstakingly produce something that is merely meant to be a joke to illicit amusement among a niche online community.

When instead you see these images and know that it’s the result of running prompts through an image generator until it produces a handful of passable results, and the most amount of human effort involved is likely spent in just curating the best results, this element of “damn, they actually did all this for a meaningless meme” no longer applies, and the charm is definitely diminished.

I hope I’m putting this across in a way that makes sense.

That thread was your justification for using AI to make artwork, I don’t disagree overall. I just don’t think AI generated propaganda is effective for this sort of thing. Maybe to articulate some basic idea you could get away with it, but as artistic propaganda such as this, it just comes across as bland, like most A.I generated content that the average person has to contend with while using the modern internet. We should try and stand out from the content churn, not try and blend in with it.

You can safely assume if it’s posted by yogthos it’s likely A.I. They’ve convinced themselves that it’s effective agitprop.